Firstly, lets keep it kinda clean! 
I checked the betting earlier today.
Libs were $1.09.
My local member, Sarah Henderson was about $1.05 or $1.03 to hold her seat.
To be honest, I was very surprised at $1.09. I was thinking it might be more like $1.40 to $1.65...
.... and ... can someone give us a State Politics run down, state by state, which party is in power...?
Sorry, but I have better things to do than Google that!
After 8 long boring weeks Simondo I think everyone has had enough 
I turned off 6 weeks ago
I have zut interest in Australian politics and quite a lot in international politics. I am however intrigued that the apathy toward the election is counterbalanced by a huge interest in Trump and Brexit.
Is this an indication that people perceive Australia to be irrelevant in the grand scheme of things?
Probably more that no one in Aust seems to have a clear vision. These 3 year election cycles and rapid changes of leadership just see things rolling on. Trump could shake the world up after a night on the piss. The U.K. Referendum may have huge implications over the Next five years. So yeah on that scale - Aust just looks a bit dull at the moment. But if you like rugby it's great at the moment (try fest Hurricanes vs Blues on now).
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I have zut interest in Australian politics and quite a lot in international politics. I am however intrigued that the apathy toward the election is counterbalanced by a huge interest in Trump and Brexit.
Is this an indication that people perceive Australia to be irrelevant in the grand scheme of things?
Well to everyone else but Australians, we are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, we rarely rate a mention in foreign media.
It doesn't matter who gets into power. politicians will create public policy to suite the elite and continue the transfer of wealth to these elites, including themselves generally though land aquistion, then rezoning and infrastructure works where it suites (All paid for by the public taxpayer).
They will will allow banks to create excessive credit through fractional reserve lending to compund returns. And when the banks fail through excessive lending on declining land prices they will then bail out banks through the public purse...Continuing this transfer of wealth .
Ever wondered why th gap between the rich and poor is increasing...now you know.
To get into power though they will pander to zombie welfare state interest groups... Creating billions of dollars in excess of the ability of our production (gdp) through bonds the elite (note the central banks) will happily snap up. Again the burden left to the common person paying taxes. The fuedal lord system of debt enslavery is well and truly entrenched now.
Hence i I got my name ticked off, walked steight to the ballot box and put empty slips into the stupid box.
Democracy is but an expensive fraud. Read your history, understand what is going on.
and no Australia has no impact of global markets or geopolitics. We're are truly insignificant...hence somewhat fortunate.
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To be honest, I was very surprised at $1.09. I was thinking it might be more like $1.40 to $1.65...
So did you have a punt the other side - seems it would have been great value at this stage
I hate that more and more people feel the need to quote sportsgamble odds for any event, as one of the nastiest, most cashed up industries slowly pushes to normalise itself into our lives.
It's a vampire industry that lives off the family budget. Fine for those that have the self-control to put food & bills first, but many don't.
I don't see why porn, booze, ciggie ads are banned from TV but there's 57 sportsgamble ads on during Origin, when kids are watching. Fkin disgusting if you ask me.
/fun police out.
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It doesn't matter who gets into power. politicians will create public policy to suite the elite and continue the transfer of wealth to these elites, including themselves generally though land aquistion, then rezoning and infrastructure works where it suites (All paid for by the public taxpayer).
They will will allow banks to create excessive credit through fractional reserve lending to compund returns. And when the banks fail through excessive lending on declining land prices they will then bail out banks through the public purse...Continuing this transfer of wealth .
Ever wondered why th gap between the rich and poor is increasing...now you know.
To get into power though they will pander to zombie welfare state interest groups... Creating billions of dollars in excess of the ability of our production (gdp) through bonds the elite (note the central banks) will happily snap up. Again the burden left to the common person paying taxes. The fuedal lord system of debt enslavery is well and truly entrenched now.
Hence i I got my name ticked off, walked steight to the ballot box and put empty slips into the stupid box.
Democracy is but an expensive fraud. Read your history, understand what is going on.
and no Australia has no impact of global markets or geopolitics. We're are truly insignificant...hence somewhat fortunate.
So, why not try and vote for someone that at least shows some policies that you think 'might' be useful in the long run? Sure, they may not get into power, but they might send a message to the people that do.
Just donkey voting and then complaining is silly. Donkey voting and not complaining is fine though.
Yes, gambling is not good.
For me, I look upon it as moderately informed statistical analysis.
Next time I will translate it as;
Statistical analysers were suggesting that the Liberal Party was most likely win, with an 80%+ chance of winning the election. Even though they may pick up just over 50% of the seats....
Although this morning, it is probably a 55:45 ratio. Even though many analysers are expecting a Liberal Win result today.
Who said I was complaining, I was just stating the obvious. We all participate in the pointless shenanigans of voting thinking we can make a difference...grow up. True change has only ever come through revolution...read your history. bit then eventually the few sly foxes gain power once again. History repeats, nothing is new.
Eppo, your cynical view points and outlook... is actually pretty much bang on the money!
Our political system is actually quite "Roman". And back in the day in Rome, it was very much a "class" based system.
it would seem reasonably unlikely to not have a "Class Based System " when the Monkey at the top is there because his whole life has been based on Class? Its not that hes out of touch but His touch and needs are different to the monkeys at the bottom of the tree?
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Who said I was complaining, I was just stating the obvious. We all participate in the pointless shenanigans of voting thinking we can make a difference...grow up. True change has only ever come through revolution...read your history. bit then eventually the few sly foxes gain power once again. History repeats, nothing is new.
Fair enough. Except the grow up bit. That's no fun at all. But you are really complaining. You are saying the system is broken, but not doing anything about it.
Revolution? You are an all or nothing type of person aren't you?
To me, that's akin to sitting back saying 'its gunna fail' and not doing ANYTHING about it. If you really cared you would research the parties and vote for someone that can make some difference, not just saying its too hard.
Who needs a revolution anyway? Our society is pretty good. What is it that you want to change? Revolutions often come with dictators, military, and lots of deaths. I think voting is a far better way to do it.
So finished watching the footy, and wife was working, so started channel hopping last night. Was worth the effort listening to the so called guru's rip each others political ilk apart.
Worst coverage I crossed too, would be the numbats on ch9, as I crossed, breaking news. Lisa and Karl announced, (two heavy hitters when it comes to interviews, and political reporting) 
So Breaking news, Laurie Oakes has changed his tie six times yesterday. 
Ch9 dropped from the channel flick team 
Ch7 had a bit of a stoush going between a LNP and ALP combatants, that the panel of Jackie Lambie, Jeff Kennett, kept winding them both up with awkward questions as too who was responsible for XYZ scenario on each candidates rise or fall in the polls. Both candidates acted like spoilt brats on most topics, and it became in the end a p1ssing contest
Have to conclude, after switching to ABC, that the LNP were in turmoil, seeing Abbotts huge advantage stripped back with Turnbulls advantage down to the narrowest of margins.
Bolt calling for Turnbulls head and it went on and on and on.
Great viewing 
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so who won anyways? and what is there stance on deathjackets?
The stupid fence sitting electorate won. It got a stupid fence sitting government controlled by stupid fence sitting minor parties and independents.
The electorate always wins. It always gets the government it votes for and deserves.
Australia needs a new electorate, not a new government.
Finally the major parties that high jacked our democracy have been whacked by the voters. 30% voted
For others. Now if we could eliminate the senate, the govt may be able to govern. Senators like penny Wong
Cannot be voted out by the people because the party system sits her at the top of the senate ticket.
So until the party chooses otherwise, she and her ilk in both parties sit untouchable, blocking and frustrating
Any reform that the govt presents. It's not about checks and balances it's about who the hell is governing.
A factor in the result of this election is the contempt of the electorate by both parties, it's become a game of
Ego and party infighting instead of govt function. It will end in grief with an unworkable short term coalition
of whoever does the best deal with the minors. Who cares, we have a great credit rating and will borrow
Our way to prosperity, will we all get enough for an Aldi tv? God help us
Select to expand quoteeppo said..
It doesn't matter who gets into power. politicians will create public policy to suite the elite and continue the transfer of wealth to these elites, including themselves generally though land aquistion, then rezoning and infrastructure works where it suites (All paid for by the public taxpayer).
They will will allow banks to create excessive credit through fractional reserve lending to compund returns. And when the banks fail through excessive lending on declining land prices they will then bail out banks through the public purse...Continuing this transfer of wealth .
Ever wondered why th gap between the rich and poor is increasing...now you know.
To get into power though they will pander to zombie welfare state interest groups... Creating billions of dollars in excess of the ability of our production (gdp) through bonds the elite (note the central banks) will happily snap up. Again the burden left to the common person paying taxes. The fuedal lord system of debt enslavery is well and truly entrenched now.
Hence i I got my name ticked off, walked steight to the ballot box and put empty slips into the stupid box.
Democracy is but an expensive fraud. Read your history, understand what is going on.
and no Australia has no impact of global markets or geopolitics. We're are truly insignificant...hence somewhat fortunate.
You're bang on the money there.
Not only ours but virtually every "democracy" is designed to keep things the way they are, not to effect change. And of course that means protecting the wealth and the channels for that wealth.
I've been reading this article: www.hamptoninstitution.org/expropriation-or-bust.html#.V3cIcFe5BPO
which is quite long and I have't finished it but it delves way back into the history of the United States and Britain. It asks serious questions as to the legality of the ownership of wealth and right at the beginning states that it, wealth, has not only been created through the unethical exploitation of labour, frequently slavery and has to a very large extent been passed down through the generations. A really good example is Donald Trump and the history of his family wealth.
It is a worthwhile read. From the second paragraph for those of you who find reading an effort:
"However, beneath all of the political discussions lies an uncomfortable and overwhelming truth: Nearly all of our problems are rooted in the massively unequal ownership of land, wealth, and power that exists among the over-7 billion human beings on earth. More specifically, these problems are rooted in the majority of the planet's population being stripped of its ability to satisfy the most basic of human needs. This predicament did not happen overnight, and it is far from natural. Rather, it is the product of centuries of immoral, illegitimate, and unwarranted human activity carried out by a miniscule section of the world's people."
And the third paragraph which I think is the salient point:
"This realization leads to an even more unsettling and uncomfortable truth: If we are to ever establish a free and just society, mass expropriation of personal wealth and property will be a necessity. In other words, the few dozens of families who have amassed personal riches equal to half the world must be forced to surrender this wealth. And furthermore, those next 5% of the global population who have acquired equally obscene amounts of wealth, relatively speaking, must also be liquidated. And, in heeding Lucy Parson's warning that "we can never be deceived that the rich will allow us to vote their wealth away," we can presume that this inevitable process of mass expropriation will not be pretty. This is a harsh and discomforting truth, indeed. But it is an undeniable truth. It is a truth that we must recognize. It is a truth that, despite being conditioned to resist, we must embrace if we are to have a shot at constructing a just world for all."
I scoff at people who believe that the parliamentary system is there for all of us to effect change. A really good example is that Tasmanian independent MP who was conned into supporting the labor party on the understanding that they would push his lifelong ambition to bring some sanity to the gambling industry.
The poor bastard achieved exactly bugger all in the long run and the mind boggles when one thinks of the time and effort that he must have expended pushing what is arguably an extremely worthwhile cause.
Select to expand quoteFormulaNova said..eppo said..
Hence i I got my name ticked off, walked steight to the ballot box and put empty slips into the stupid box.
Just donkey voting and then complaining is silly. Donkey voting and not complaining is fine though.
Dude, a least draw a cock & balls on the ballot form. Gives the counters a laugh. 
positive points:
- managed to avoid the queue, voted in and out in less than 10 mins
- managed to avoid the plaque of pamphlet hawkers, am considering offering pamphlets in future educating them on appropriate hawker etiquette. i.e. if the person obviously wants no part of your fckry, then restrain yourself.
negative points:
- all available political options are fkd
constructive suggestions:
- as per above point, there needs to be an option available for people to reject the available options and lodge a protest vote against the current system / people without lodging a donkey vote. I'd say that many people this time around either voted for what they thought was the least worst option, or donkey voted due to apathy towards the available options. The current format where people either donkey vote, or randomly vote for some minor party on the day is backwards at best, as many of these minor parties don't have real policies which look at the country as a whole (actually could lump the major parties in here as well), so a protest vote may do more harm then good.
would it hurt for a political party to have a real plan for the countries future?
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Dude, a least draw a cock & balls on the ballot form. Gives the counters a laugh.
poor harrow right now
"alp, alp, lnp, cock and balls, cock and balls, lnp, cock and balls, lnp, cock and balls, alp, alp, cock and balls with hair, alp, cock and balls, lnp"
Voting should be by choice rather than compulsory, then we might not be in the mess we are now from wasted votes.
I do not personally know Gary the Goat but I am sure he would be better than the 2 hopeful donkeys! No disrespect intended to the donkeys of the world!
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And the third paragraph which I think is the salient point:
"This realization leads to an even more unsettling and uncomfortable truth: If we are to ever establish a free and just society, mass expropriation of personal wealth and property will be a necessity. In other words, the few dozens of families who have amassed personal riches equal to half the world must be forced to surrender this wealth.
And furthermore, those next 5% of the global population who have acquired equally obscene amounts of wealth, relatively speaking, must also be liquidated.
And, in heeding Lucy Parson's warning that "we can never be deceived that the rich will allow us to vote their wealth away," we can presume that this inevitable process of mass expropriation will not be pretty. This is a harsh and discomforting truth, indeed. But it is an undeniable truth. It is a truth that we must recognize. It is a truth that, despite being conditioned to resist, we must embrace if we are to have a shot at constructing a just world for all."
Yeah, erm... you do realise you are in that 5%, right?
Earning $AU50K a year? You're in the top 1%. Off with your head.
Select to expand quoteevlPanda said..japie said..
And the third paragraph which I think is the salient point:
"This realization leads to an even more unsettling and uncomfortable truth: If we are to ever establish a free and just society, mass expropriation of personal wealth and property will be a necessity. In other words, the few dozens of families who have amassed personal riches equal to half the world must be forced to surrender this wealth.
And furthermore, those next 5% of the global population who have acquired equally obscene amounts of wealth, relatively speaking, must also be liquidated.
And, in heeding Lucy Parson's warning that "we can never be deceived that the rich will allow us to vote their wealth away," we can presume that this inevitable process of mass expropriation will not be pretty. This is a harsh and discomforting truth, indeed. But it is an undeniable truth. It is a truth that we must recognize. It is a truth that, despite being conditioned to resist, we must embrace if we are to have a shot at constructing a just world for all."
Yeah, erm... you do realise you are in that 5%, right?
Earning $AU50K a year? You're in the top 1%. Off with your head.
whats $14k a year get me? do i get to hold the axe?
