All fights in the street end up on the ground. You need to learn jui jitsu if you want any hope of surviving.
Select to expand quoteok said..
All fights in the street end up on the ground. You need to learn jui jitsu if you want any hope of surviving.
That's right! The aim of any fight is to disable your opponent and have them loose control, which means having them on the ground. At least to give you time to run the other way - like Eppo said. I am with him
Select to expand quotejbshack said...
A few years training in Muay thai soon taught me a good lesson. You have no idea of who can and who cannot not fight so best not to engage in the first place 
So...what sort of the fighter was the other dude who taught you a lesson ?
Select to expand quotedmitri said..
jbshack said...
A few years training in Muay thai soon taught me a good lesson. You have no idea of who can and who cannot not fight so best not to engage in the first place
So...what sort of the fighter was the other dude who taught you a lesson ?
Haha, the worst was a lady with a kick to the head that i never saw coming. To be fair she was a third level black. Apparently its not okay to say sorry, when sparing if you accidentally manage to land a good shot.. 
I fought a lot as a kid also. But these days you simply have no idea what skills people have and i think to underestimate your opponent can be detrimental to one's health 
Select to expand quoteok said..
All fights in the street end up on the ground. You need to learn jui jitsu if you want any hope of surviving.
Not nowadays with sucker punches and pack mentality. Back to my first one - situational awareness.
Select to expand quotelotofwind said..
You old people and your fist fighting, you need to look to the youth.
All fights now are settled by a dance off. 
You need to stop Googling 'schoolgirls dancing'
Dirty dirty old man.
(see it goes both ways)
oh hang on
My nephew was on crouches with a broken leg and was followed by three thugs in a Brisbane railway station toilet block. He noticed them coming and got in a stall ready for them. After he flogged the F$#K out of them, he reported it to the police. Apparently the incident was caught on surveillance and the coppers couldn't stop laughing.
Unfortunately the thugs weren't aware he was martial arts expert. You just never know!!!
is this topic about how to fight or how to self-defense ? I believe the most of us, the seabreezers got our rotator cuffs not as healthy as they used to be..
I reckon the best self-defense technic for my age is to play dumb..because I can't run fast anymore either...e.g..if some one threatens you...just start picking your nose..I mean, what kind of rat bastard psychotic would harm someone who is picking his nose..?
^^^ hearing ya on the rotator cuff. 
The picking nose thing works, but fingers up own bum and then try to 'share' would be better :)
I've done a fair bit of martial arts - karate and kickboxing. A mate I surfed with was a kickboxing instructor. Despite four years of karate training it took six months of sparring before I landed any clean hits. He could move the heavy six foot bag way more with a two inch punch than I could with a kick. That punch where you put your finger tips on the bag then collapse into a fist while shifting your weight.
At a concert I was there with him, another mate and our three ladies. An idiot decided to push violently through us to the front. He elbowed one of the ladies in the tits, elbowed Mate2 in the throat and me in the chest, then he pushed past my instructor mate. My friend grabbed him by his collar and delivered said two inch punch and dropped to the ground. The bouncers then removed the fool. The expression on his face looking up at us, wondering where the hell that had come from was priceless. A delightful mixture of fear and confusion. I don't think anyone around us appreciated the power in that "little" jumper punch, but I knew exactly how hard he had been hit.
I just about kissed my mate.
As far as fighting publicly goes, pass. Avoid the situation wherever possible. If it's unavoidable, strike first, hard, somewhere soft. I'd throw an uppercut elbow over a punch.
Then I would probably be arrested and sent to gaol.
Best to avoid the whole thing.
I haven't had a sober fight since high school and was last in a drunken brawl in 1990.
Select to expand quoteDanozDirect said...ok said..
All fights in the street end up on the ground. You need to learn jui jitsu if you want any hope of surviving.
That's right! The aim of any fight is to disable your opponent and have them loose control, which means having them on the ground. At least to give you time to run the other way - like Eppo said. I am with him
Wrong, if you take a fight to ground on the street you may get away with it sometimes but will be punished hard when 5 of his mates turn up & proceed to kick the crap outta your perfectly placed self. This is difference between the dojo/ring/cage/school yard & the street, assume there is always more than one. Yes some such as zen do kai & krav maga do train for multiple attackers but it never properly depicts reality where mostly ive seen one or two who'll hang back run in & hit when you're most vulnerable.
As others have said martial arts has taught me not to get involved. If you are in an actual person trying to kill you situation yell so people hear/hopefully send help, put whatever you can between you & them (chair, tree etc), use whatever is at hand (pen, keys etc) to disable or slow them in any way possible then get away, distance is your friend.
Select to expand quotemkseven said..DanozDirect said...ok said..
All fights in the street end up on the ground. You need to learn jui jitsu if you want any hope of surviving.
That's right! The aim of any fight is to disable your opponent and have them loose control, which means having them on the ground. At least to give you time to run the other way - like Eppo said. I am with him
Wrong, if you take a fight to ground on the street you may get away with it sometimes but will be punished hard when 5 of his mates turn up & proceed to kick the crap outta your perfectly placed self. This is difference between the dojo/ring/cage/school yard & the street, assume there is always more than one. Yes some such as zen do kai & krav maga do train for multiple attackers but it never properly depicts reality where mostly ive seen one or two who'll hang back run in & hit when you're most vulnerable.
As others have said martial arts has taught me not to get involved. If you are in an actual person trying to kill you situation yell so people hear/hopefully send help, put whatever you can between you & them (chair, tree etc), use whatever is at hand (pen, keys etc) to disable or slow them in any way possible then get away, distance is your friend.
Good points.
I prefer Segal's method of self defence using the opponents own inertia against them. What's that called?
Select to expand quoteMark _australia said..lotofwind said..
You old people and your fist fighting, you need to look to the youth.
All fights now are settled by a dance off.
You need to stop Googling 'schoolgirls dancing'
Dirty dirty old man.
(see it goes both ways)
oh hang on
There you go maybe you two can have a dance off
insted of the weekly bitch fight you have here. 
One important thing that a martial art or boxing teaches you is what its like to be hit or punched, especially in the face and gut.
If you are not scared to be hit and know what its going to feel like and sound like, you wont be surprised by it, you will be more able to think clearly to defend or protect yourself.
My old boxing coach represented South Africa in amateur boxing and he was a bouncer for one of the local clubs.
The one time he got into a real 'street fight', he lasted 2 seconds before the guy wrapped a chair around my coach's head.
Everyone has a puncher's chance in a fight, just don't give them the chance by running away (if you can)
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no video sorry... just a curious question.
Most of us have no idea how to fight against another human being.
Oh but it's oh so easy to shoot at someone, and hence why the world is so fooked right now with the death and misery especially around civilians and children.
But if you managed to get some of these so called 'heroes' of war to actually fight each other hand to hand, they would probably flee crying to mama.
My question... in an emergency or a fight or flight situation, and if you had to fight to survive, do you know how?
I have ideas, but they are based on ego, movies and slow motion shots!
seriously, I have no idea.
With steak knives of course.
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All fights in the street end up on the ground. You need to learn jui jitsu if you want any hope of surviving.
Of the dozens of fights I have seen in the street They have rarely, if ever, ended up on the ground.
And of those fights it is never between two loners, out all by themselves. Others can and do jump in.
The last place you want to be is on the ground.
Select to expand quoteDanozDirect said...
I prefer Segal's method of self defence using the opponents own inertia against them. What's that called?
Segal does Aikido, many martial arts use inertia principles but aikido looks cool due to big circular movements. I would prefer/recommend Hapkido if you like that sort of thing but also want good self defense.
Select to expand quoteDanozDirect said...
I prefer Segal's method of self defence using the opponents own inertia against them. What's that called?
Choreography.
Select to expand quoteevlPanda said..
The last place you want to be is on the ground.
Yep. The only time someone should be on the ground is when they are being held down and warned not to attempt round two.
The crazy gene helps, as does the ability to accept that a flogging may be coming your way and deal with that picture before it starts.
Get angry like it counts.
After 30 odd years in the martial arts I've learnt that avoiding a fight situation is the best defence.
Here are a few simple rules.
Be aware of your surroundings at all times.
Talk with confidence and don't show fear.
Keep your hands high to deflect an attack while talking.
Watch their right shoulder. If it drops - a punch is on the way.
The one who gets hit in the head first generally loses.
Protect your groyne.
Punch straight and fast.
Don't go to ground - they have mates.
Run if you can.
I've noticed that modern sport orientated martial arts lack any hand conditioning. If your hands are not strong and not used to hitting things then you will hurt yourself when punching. We trained with knuckle push ups, finger push ups, punching sand bags. Breaking bricks, tiles and wood with our bare hands. Bag training was always done with bare hands.
The toughest guy I ever had the privilege of sparing would block attacks with his fists. Your hands, feet, shins and arms were his primary targets before the head shots came in. A truly tough basted. But I learnt a lot.
It is essential in this day and age if you are going to "throw down" to ensure both hands are up in a white flag passive manner always take a step back whilst doing this.
With cctv and mobile phones when it does come to the crunch you will always appear to be not only fearful but attempting to stop the fight.
It also allows you to have the upper hand on initial contact distance and draws the " agressor" to you, great position to get in an elbow from,block a punch or sidestep, the other advantage is that no knowledge to your opponent is transmitted as to whether you are a southpaw or natural foot. They will not know whether the left is the jab or the right.
With your hands up and your opponent marching towards you should they overstep it is easier to than bring the head into the knee.
Note: youth spent in fishing town
I won't bore you with my life story, but I have had to learn about violence.
1) If there is any way to avoid it, take it. Back off, when you get a safe distance, turn and run.
2) You might get the first hit in, and your attacker might hit his head on the sidewalk and die.
If it's just some drunk fool and not a real threat to your life, do you want to take that chance?
3) If it's unavoidable and it's serious: That big closed-fist punch is probably going to break or dislocate your knuckles. Use your palm, forehead or elbow. Much harder structures.
Eyes, throat, balls. Grab anything nearby that can be used to hit harder or cause punctures. Most people get scared if you make them bleed a lot, head and face bleed like hell and blinds them somewhat.
5) Run away before their friends turn up.
I remember reading a magazine where the editor kept getting asked stupid question like "would Van Damme beat Chuck Norris" in a real fight? A real fight he asked? Then he introduced Lenny McLean aka The Guv'nor aka Mean Machine aka Dirty Len. He's been shot, stabbed, had an iron bar cracked over his head. When a group of twenty young men were harassing a woman outside his local he put four of them in hospital. His most infamous underground fight was against The King of the Gypsies.
Select to expand quoteKIT33R said..
Tons of good stuff andalso..
The toughest guy I ever had the privilege of sparing would block attacks with his fists. Your hands, feet, shins and arms were his primary targets before the head shots came in. A truly tough basted. But I learnt a lot.
That reminds me of one thing I was told long also (a phrase to teach by)
Don't block - STRIKE at their limb that is coming toward you. Blocking is what the loser does.
Goes towards establishing a mentality of changing the fear and blocking, into assertive angry striking counterattack.
The difference in mindset changes a lot in'self defence'
And like I said, play dirty. The king hit from his gutless mate that you did not see, may kill you.
Select to expand quoteMark _australia said..KIT33R said..
Tons of good stuff andalso..
The toughest guy I ever had the privilege of sparing would block attacks with his fists. Your hands, feet, shins and arms were his primary targets before the head shots came in. A truly tough basted. But I learnt a lot.
That reminds me of one thing I was told long also (a phrase to teach by)
Don't block - STRIKE at their limb that is coming toward you. Blocking is what the loser does.
Goes towards establishing a mentality of changing the fear and blocking, into assertive angry striking counterattack.
The difference in mindset changes a lot in'self defence'
And like I said, play dirty. The king hit from his gutless mate that you did not see, may kill you.
Very true Mark. When we taught "self-defence" I don't think it was possible to teach the mind set to win at all cost, particularly for the girls. I guy might take a beating but girls could be raped or killed. Mind set comes with years of training. Response must be beyond a concious thought. It worries me, even today, that when I'm surprised my unconscious mind takes over and all I see is "throat and eyes".
