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The state of society when onlookers just look

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Created by Surfstarved > 9 months ago, 24 Nov 2014
Surfstarved
78 posts
24 Nov 2014 7:50PM
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My parents are your typical old friendly couple who'd help anyone that'd cross their path. They unfortunately fell for the simplest trick of the book of crooks where one person distracted her asking for help while another broke in and stole her belongings. She realised and ran after them screaming and all any neighbors did standing outside, was watch. A friendly tradie who saw everything was good enough to write down everything he saw.

She's distraught intermittently crying and I fear the problem now is that you lose some good heart in the community as should she ever come across someone in need, she'll think twice about helping them. Whats happened to society? Call me naive but I mean if I was in a position to help someone, I'd do it without a second thought and I've been known to.

Buster fin
WA, 2577 posts
24 Nov 2014 8:53PM
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Hard to get the insurance bastards to pay up if she was home, too.

Mackerel
WA, 313 posts
25 Nov 2014 2:13PM
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Yes, some people are too scared to be good these days.
Mate, I would have helped her in a second for what it's worth.

westozwind
WA, 1395 posts
25 Nov 2014 2:48PM
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Sure they did not just get their phones out

Cal
QLD, 1003 posts
25 Nov 2014 6:44PM
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So sad

ThinkaBowtit
WA, 1134 posts
25 Nov 2014 5:05PM
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Does my head in that people are so reluctant to help. Social experiment.

king of the point
WA, 1836 posts
25 Nov 2014 7:02PM
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Trigger happy nigger

Mark _australia
WA, 22412 posts
25 Nov 2014 7:38PM
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That video is sad.

To be fair though most of the passersby are women or middleaged (plus)
The healthy 20 - 30 y/o males all help. Thus the pessimist in me wonders if the location was chosen to achieve the 'shocking result' they wanted.
If they did the same outside a footy match with heaps of males around could be different.

Still if there is two people walking past, really no excuse not to help when u have numbers on your side.

Stuthepirate
SA, 3589 posts
25 Nov 2014 10:40PM
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Isn't that the whole definition of Onlooker?

busterwa
3777 posts
25 Nov 2014 9:36PM
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The first sign of response is DANGER by intervention you are placing yourself at risk. Keep on walking ring 000 or 911 if the situation is that bad.

I highly recommend not getting involved

MDSXR6T
WA, 1019 posts
25 Nov 2014 10:58PM
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I'd rather be injured or die doing the right thing than survive by being a coward and just walking by someone in need of assistance. Especially if its a woman, child or an elderly person.

If you see someone needing help, be a man and help. Simplez.

Chris6791
WA, 3271 posts
25 Nov 2014 11:05PM
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Mark _australia said..
That video is sad.

To be fair though most of the passersby are women or middleaged (plus)
The healthy 20 - 30 y/o males all help. Thus the pessimist in me wonders if the location was chosen to achieve the 'shocking result' they wanted.
If they did the same outside a footy match with heaps of males around could be different.

Still if there is two people walking past, really no excuse not to help when u have numbers on your side.



There's a few idiot clips on YouTube of idiots staging fights, muggings etc, some of the muppets get properly pummelled by bystanders before they get a chance to say it's a prank. its entertaining viewing.

youngbull
QLD, 825 posts
26 Nov 2014 2:17AM
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I just thought the pic suited the topic.




lidsy1
145 posts
26 Nov 2014 5:36AM
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MDSXR6T said..
I'd rather be injured or die doing the right thing than survive by being a coward and just walking by someone in need of assistance. Especially if its a woman, child or an elderly person.

If you see someone needing help, be a man and help. Simplez.


Im assuming theres no crime in your area......or you'd be dead?????
Well done and thanks

MDSXR6T
WA, 1019 posts
26 Nov 2014 8:34AM
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Actually my area is pretty good thanks!!!

By getting involved before (armed robbery) i have indeed missed being stabbed in the face by a 12" flathead screwdriver by less than a few cm's..

Old mate was jailed. If no one stood up to him he'd be still doing it

Edit: also been kinghit a few years ago helping a bloke who was outnumbered 3 to 1. Point is simple. If you can help and dont (which is the majority) you're a weak ****

ThinkaBowtit
WA, 1134 posts
26 Nov 2014 9:37AM
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Oh for sucks fake! That photo you posted Youngbull...disgusting media idiots.

Stupid media: Tell me sir, what exactly happened here?
Poor bastard: I uughh mnnnowwwww aaaaahhh
Stupid media: Oh, right. Well, are you in any pain sir?

Cambodge
VIC, 851 posts
26 Nov 2014 1:29PM
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ThinkaBowtit said..
Oh for sucks fake! That photo you posted Youngbull...disgusting media idiots.
Stupid media: Tell me sir, what exactly happened here?
Poor bastard: I uughh mnnnowwwww aaaaahhh
Stupid media: Oh, right. Well, are you in any pain sir?



Surely a staged photo?! Using your head to successfully smash your way through half a windscreen you'd come out looking a LOT worse than that!?

ThinkaBowtit
WA, 1134 posts
26 Nov 2014 10:43AM
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Saw it coming and went arms crossed over head first?

Toph
WA, 1838 posts
26 Nov 2014 11:00AM
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I'm calling Fake to both the photos. I cant imagine anyone taking the time to take a photo after somebody fell and was tangled that badly in a ladder.

With all these 'social experiments' we are being subject to these days, I wouldn't be surprised if most peoples first reaction to it is to wonder if it is legit or not. And sure, I would like to think I would help too, situation dependant, especially if a child or elderly is concerned. But f...ed if I am prepared to die, and leave a wife without a husband, children without a father and parents without a son over a strangers material belongings. Almost been there as a single bloke with no family, I'm not about to do it again.

K Dog
VIC, 1847 posts
26 Nov 2014 3:55PM
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This is one of those tough situations.....

I recall the dude who got killed on a main street of Melbourne coming to the assistance of a stripper who was being harassed by her Bikie boyfriend / Handler.....

The guy had a wife and a child. He's dead. Nice thoughts and good intentions.... but he's dead, he's not coming back........

I don't think their is a rule of thumb on what to do, I think you have to assess the situation, first consider your own, and the correct response could be to call the police straight away, or to ask another male for assistance in helping the threat, or whatever seems appropriate... but that is the tough question....

People also need to be smarter too these days, come out of the controlled world and virtual reality they live in and think about what they say to complete strangers without thinking there will be no consequence... recently I heard about a lady who got abused and bashed because she was telling off a youth for defacing a political poster, making moustaches or something.... now seriously... think about you... you don't know who this kid is, what he is capable of... yet people these days are on morality porn, where being right and telling someone off some how protects you in public.... I've also seen it on trams, where some drongo gets on and some older women does the moral porn (cheap pleasure of being "right") and tells him to turn his blearing music down, you could see just by looking at it that the dude wasn't going to respond well.... so he abuses her.... fortunately that was the end of it.... but imagine some father then tells him off for his language... leads to stabs... death.... game over... because the lady didn't read the situation correctly...too caught up in moral porn.....perhaps she could speak at his funeral to discuss how the sum of his life was worth the moment of her feeling right and pulling someone into line lol.

People might disagree... but you need to crunch the numbers, and get outside your head to make the right choices....

longwinded
WA, 344 posts
26 Nov 2014 11:12PM
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K Dog said..
This is one of those tough situations.....

I recall the dude who got killed on a main street of Melbourne coming to the assistance of a stripper who was being harassed by her Bikie boyfriend / Handler.....

The guy had a wife and a child. He's dead. Nice thoughts and good intentions.... but he's dead, he's not coming back........

I don't think their is a rule of thumb on what to do, I think you have to assess the situation, first consider your own, and the correct response could be to call the police straight away, or to ask another male for assistance in helping the threat, or whatever seems appropriate... but that is the tough question....

People also need to be smarter too these days, come out of the controlled world and virtual reality they live in and think about what they say to complete strangers without thinking there will be no consequence... recently I heard about a lady who got abused and bashed because she was telling off a youth for defacing a political poster, making moustaches or something.... now seriously... think about you... you don't know who this kid is, what he is capable of... yet people these days are on morality porn, where being right and telling someone off some how protects you in public.... I've also seen it on trams, where some drongo gets on and some older women does the moral porn (cheap pleasure of being "right") and tells him to turn his blearing music down, you could see just by looking at it that the dude wasn't going to respond well.... so he abuses her.... fortunately that was the end of it.... but imagine some father then tells him off for his language... leads to stabs... death.... game over... because the lady didn't read the situation correctly...too caught up in moral porn.....perhaps she could speak at his funeral to discuss how the sum of his life was worth the moment of her feeling right and pulling someone into line lol.

People might disagree... but you need to crunch the numbers, and get outside your head to make the right choices....


It's not moral porn, its the right thing to do. I travel with my 5 year old regularly and after instilling the manners about mass transit to her, am getting sick of having to explain to her why I do not bust their chops (as I do her) about substandard behavior.
Because she is 5, I do not stand up as the last thing that I want to do is put my girl in danger...but when she is not there I am not shy about coming forward.
My list to date:
1. Kicking a flea bag touching up school girls off a very crowded train;
2. People eating on trains and bus. Then leaving their litter behind, including **** like pickles on seats;
3. Vandals (though they generally look behind them before going that ****); and
4. The mobile phone user. I don't mind if the first thing you answer a call with is "I am on the bus/train" and then keep it short, but if you decide to explain to the whole lot of us your problems overcoming that nasty infection you got by ****ing the dreadlocked dude then you can get stuffed;
This **** you attitude about society has limitations, don't sit back and let the little old lady be the victim. Bad behavior is exactly that. Don't leave her hanging.

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
27 Nov 2014 9:20AM
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Glasssssy said...
My parents are your typical old friendly couple who'd help anyone that'd cross their path. They unfortunately fell for the simplest trick of the book of crooks where one person distracted her asking for help while another broke in and stole her belongings. She realised and ran after them screaming and all any neighbors did standing outside, was watch. A friendly tradie who saw everything was good enough to write down everything he saw.

She's distraught intermittently crying and I fear the problem now is that you lose some good heart in the community as should she ever come across someone in need, she'll think twice about helping them. Whats happened to society? Call me naive but I mean if I was in a position to help someone, I'd do it without a second thought and I've been known to.


I don't see the cowardice as you seem to refer to. The tradie did the right thing by taking details.

There's a huge difference between stepping in to save a life and stepping in to save someone from being robbed! If your parents don't have insurance, that is their problem. If they had a valuable heirloom stolen, that's sad... but if a life was lost because of a 'hero' attempt to save someone from losing some materialistic items - that would be a tragedy!

I'm far from a hero, and I don't think I'm a coward. I would intervene if there was a risk that someone was to be badly hurt or possibly killed... but I'm not risking possibly my life for the sake of a few dollars or valuables. My family means more to me than that.

To put yourself at high risk to save 'items' (including money, cars, valuables) is plain stupid and that's how you would be remembered. Write down details, take a photo or vid and let the cops do their job.

Sailhack
VIC, 5000 posts
27 Nov 2014 11:05AM
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Cambodge said..

ThinkaBowtit said..
Oh for sucks fake! That photo you posted Youngbull...disgusting media idiots.
Stupid media: Tell me sir, what exactly happened here?
Poor bastard: I uughh mnnnowwwww aaaaahhh
Stupid media: Oh, right. Well, are you in any pain sir?




Surely a staged photo?! Using your head to successfully smash your way through half a windscreen you'd come out looking a LOT worse than that!?


Yep staged. I've seen a few real ones of these and that's nothing like what you would find. Nice that they put a cushion under him so the glass didn't hurt him though.

fingerbone
NSW, 921 posts
27 Nov 2014 6:56PM
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king of the point said..
Trigger happy nigger

westozwind said..
Sure they did not just get their phones out



Yea I have come off a few ladders in my time...this one is definitely staged

fingerbone
NSW, 921 posts
27 Nov 2014 6:58PM
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youngbull said..
I just thought the pic suited the topic.





Calling FAKE on this one too.



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