Things you'd do with a self driving car

Perfect for down-winders, no?

I was thinking more what my girlfriend could do for me in a self driving car

Perv more

Seriously, everyone must be thinking it would be awesome to be pissed and have the self driving car drive you home.

Also on my favorites would be "driving" to Perth from Sydney. Not much of a drama really when you can watch TV, eat, sleep, read a book, as the miles pass by. I guess you would have to wake up for the fuel stops, but I think I could live with that. You could do it in record time.

Having said all this, I think the most impressive journey would be the work commute. No problems worrying about traffic when you are in the back having a nap or watching something on TV.

I'll start a company converting old vans into self driving tiny houses.

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FormulaNova said..
Seriously, everyone must be thinking it would be awesome to be pissed and have the self driving car drive you home.

Also on my favorites would be "driving" to Perth from Sydney. Not much of a drama really when you can watch TV, eat, sleep, read a book, as the miles pass by. I guess you would have to wake up for the fuel stops, but I think I could live with that. You could do it in record time.

Having said all this, I think the most impressive journey would be the work commute. No problems worrying about traffic when you are in the back having a nap or watching something on TV.

* ..."awesome to be pissed and have the self driving car drive you home"...
* ..."watch TV, eat, sleep, read a book, as the miles pass by"...
No actually, they did say that these vehicles do require "full awareness" while in use because some input is required for the vehicle to understand it is doing the right thing, and that is not true of being pissed , and not true in some split second emergency in some situations !
economictimes.indiatimes.com/small-biz/security-tech/technology/driverless-crashes/articleshow/56510821.cms

As a computer programmer myself i can tell you what to look for alike looking for the problem in a black box of an aircraft for information!
Sensors for example only read back what they get, and when constructed the a sensor unit and its specific job is calibrated to quality boundary of reception band.
However, sensors can go wrong as too components can change their values under particular physical environment conditions.
To make matters worse, the information is sent through what is known as a "core" of a CPU which is responsible for sorting, storing and matching data and committing operation upon that data in precedence simultaneously by which in that "scheme" one sensor is one thread (roughly) , and as management of threads in prioritization is called, to stop a thread is called an "interrupt". Prioritisation and backlogging can be a serious problem.

What they advertise in things such as driver-less buses in operation at this time is they have extremely defined routes. However one of those driver-less buses had quite a slammer "of its own failure" in the past year or two (and others that were not the driver-less vehicles fault e.g. recently in Las Vegas) !

My suggestion is that someone is sipping coffee at their same destination from same start place half way through your back breaker between Perth and Sydney !
windsolarhybridaustralia.x10.mx/PPL-light-aircraft.pdf

more... (not enough information by statistics as there are very few driver-less vehicles to commit that)
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/07/01/business/inside-tesla-accident.html

The greatest subtlety about driver-less vehicles and ordinary road accidents by human error is the immense complexity something is trying to "A.K.A." "understand and simulate in real world actions" is really too human a problem for the obscure unique events of environment change. Hazard a guess it would require some extremely human ideals of mind to "understand means to end to traverse some obstacles carefully and sensibly enough" in face of non standardized route occurring or freak weather event

(note - Believe it or not i actually know a vehicle should weigh "2 ton" ( 1814 . 37Kg ) on some good roads to not be blown off the road in good weather with a perfect good surface !!! ).

============== I do not give them the point , it would require a "super cradle computer" to properly assess the information at "time speed" required !
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercomputer

NOT A TRUE LOOK BUT SOMETHING "VAGUELY COMPARITIVE"

one byte is (generally eight bits)

1 mega byte = 1048576 bytes

8 x 1048576 = 8388608 "bits" (one or zero) IN A MEGA-BYTE

120 Kmh = 3333.333333333333 milimeters - p/second

8Ghz (8 thousand million times per second) 8000000000

1/1000 th of a second 8000000

each "bit" (either one or zero) through the CPU instruction core is one cycle unit

THE FOLLOWING WOULD BE CLASSIFIED INFORMATION SO THESE VALUES ARE "SUPPOSE"
A "colour image" of 12 mega pixel can be said to be 12,000,000 x 3 = 36,000,000 (red,green,blue)
A radard image can be said to be grey scaled and 12,000,000 bytes
FOR IMAGING 48, MILLION BYTES OF INFORMATION

Simply to look at the picture will require buffering so to be putting it through the core will mean x 2 for "TIME"

2 x 48 million = 96,000,000 bytes

then interrupts must stop the thread to examine each eight byte set so an interrupt will come with the eigth bit making x 3 for "TIME"

but then the instruction index has to set the CPU core circuit to commit operation on the byte data using the stack and "program data"-CALLED INSTRUCTIONS that are sitting in a separate set of software byte data lcation

so we reach things logically x 6 (much more really) for time to read and operate on the data !!!


48 million x 6 = 288,000,000 bytes of DATA only total = 1728,000,000 bytes x 8 = ( 13824000000 bits (or one cycle beat))


1/1000 th of a second 8,000,000 cycles of CPU core beat

8,000,000 eight million times a "thousandth of a second"

13824000000 divided by 8,000,000

1728 sets of thousandths of a second for data

1728 / 1000 leaves sets of one second = 1.728 SECONDS


3333 (MM Per SECOND) x 1.728 = 5759 mm

================

SOMETHING LIKE .................. (approximately 5 meters traveled with an 8Ghz core CPU)

That's actually "a hell of a long way traveled" in popping the question on the console if something is wrong !!!

5.759 meters traveled (@ 120kMH) to complete the a basic SENSOR RECEPTION AND SOFTWARE PROCESSING !

================


I once figured that my hard disk over a few of hours at 5200 RPM to defrag my disk, the rim edge of the disk at 5 inch diameter travels around 700 Km to complete the task

GIANT suppose but there is some of the problem

The strategy computer scientists use to gain more CPU'S to make a virtual cradle super computer is to Network a set of computers.

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nicephotog said..

FormulaNova said..
Seriously, everyone must be thinking it would be awesome to be pissed and have the self driving car drive you home.

Also on my favorites would be "driving" to Perth from Sydney. Not much of a drama really when you can watch TV, eat, sleep, read a book, as the miles pass by. I guess you would have to wake up for the fuel stops, but I think I could live with that. You could do it in record time.

Having said all this, I think the most impressive journey would be the work commute. No problems worrying about traffic when you are in the back having a nap or watching something on TV.

* ..."awesome to be pissed and have the self driving car drive you home"...
* ..."watch TV, eat, sleep, read a book, as the miles pass by"...
No actually, they did say that these vehicles do require "full awareness" while in use because some input is required for the vehicle to understand it is doing the right thing, and that is not true of being pissed , and not true in some split second emergency in some situations !
economictimes.indiatimes.com/small-biz/security-tech/technology/driverless-crashes/articleshow/56510821.cms

As a computer programmer myself i can tell you what to look for alike looking for the problem in a black box of an aircraft for information!
Sensors for example only read back what they get, and when constructed the a sensor unit and its specific job is calibrated to quality boundary of reception band.
However, sensors can go wrong as too components can change their values under particular physical environment conditions.
To make matters worse, the information is sent through what is known as a "core" of a CPU which is responsible for sorting, storing and matching data and committing operation upon that data in precedence simultaneously by which in that "scheme" one sensor is one thread (roughly) , and as management of threads in prioritization is called, to stop a thread is called an "interrupt". Prioritisation and backlogging can be a serious problem.

What they advertise in things such as driver-less buses in operation at this time is they have extremely defined routes. However one of those driver-less buses had quite a slammer "of its own failure" in the past year or two (and others that were not the driver-less vehicles fault e.g. recently in Las Vegas) !

My suggestion is that someone is sipping coffee at their same destination from same start place half way through your back breaker between Perth and Sydney !
windsolarhybridaustralia.x10.mx/PPL-light-aircraft.pdf

more... (not enough information by statistics as there are very few driver-less vehicles to commit that)
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/07/01/business/inside-tesla-accident.html

The greatest subtlety about driver-less vehicles and ordinary road accidents by human error is the immense complexity something is trying to "A.K.A." "understand and simulate in real world actions" is really too human a problem for the obscure unique events of environment change. Hazard a guess it would require some extremely human ideals of mind to "understand means to end to traverse some obstacles carefully and sensibly enough" in face of non standardized route occurring or freak weather event

(note - Believe it or not i actually know a vehicle should weigh "2 ton" ( 1814 . 37Kg ) on some good roads to not be blown off the road in good weather with a perfect good surface !!! ).

============== I do not give them the point , it would require a "super cradle computer" to properly assess the information at "time speed" required !
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercomputer

NOT A TRUE LOOK BUT SOMETHING "VAGUELY COMPARITIVE"

one byte is (generally eight bits)

1 mega byte = 1048576 bytes

8 x 1048576 = 8388608 "bits" (one or zero) IN A MEGA-BYTE

120 Kmh = 3333.333333333333 milimeters - p/second

8Ghz (8 thousand million times per second) 8000000000

1/1000 th of a second 8000000

each "bit" (either one or zero) through the CPU instruction core is one cycle unit

THE FOLLOWING WOULD BE CLASSIFIED INFORMATION SO THESE VALUES ARE "SUPPOSE"
A "colour image" of 12 mega pixel can be said to be 12,000,000 x 3 = 36,000,000 (red,green,blue)
A radard image can be said to be grey scaled and 12,000,000 bytes
FOR IMAGING 48, MILLION BYTES OF INFORMATION

Simply to look at the picture will require buffering so to be putting it through the core will mean x 2 for "TIME"

2 x 48 million = 96,000,000 bytes

then interrupts must stop the thread to examine each eight byte set so an interrupt will come with the eigth bit making x 3 for "TIME"

but then the instruction index has to set the CPU core circuit to commit operation on the byte data using the stack and "program data"-CALLED INSTRUCTIONS that are sitting in a separate set of software byte data lcation

so we reach things logically x 6 (much more really) for time to read and operate on the data !!!


48 million x 6 = 288,000,000 bytes of DATA only total = 1728,000,000 bytes x 8 = ( 13824000000 bits (or one cycle beat))


1/1000 th of a second 8,000,000 cycles of CPU core beat

8,000,000 eight million times a "thousandth of a second"

13824000000 divided by 8,000,000

1728 sets of thousandths of a second for data

1728 / 1000 leaves sets of one second = 1.728 SECONDS


3333 (MM Per SECOND) x 1.728 = 5759 mm

================

SOMETHING LIKE .................. (approximately 5 meters traveled with an 8Ghz core CPU)

That's actually "a hell of a long way traveled" in popping the question on the console if something is wrong !!!

5.759 meters traveled (@ 120kMH) to complete the a basic SENSOR RECEPTION AND SOFTWARE PROCESSING !

================


I once figured that my hard disk over a few of hours at 5200 RPM to defrag my disk, the rim edge of the disk at 5 inch diameter travels around 700 Km to complete the task

GIANT suppose but there is some of the problem

The strategy computer scientists use to gain more CPU'S to make a virtual cradle super computer is to Network a set of computers.

I don't mean to be insulting, but are you sure you are a computer programmer? You go into a lot of detail about trivial things, but the way you evaluate information does not have to happen the way you describe.

Why would you need to have interrupts when you are processing that amount of data at speed? Seriously, I think you are not at the level required for understanding this problem.

I am sure there are a lot of advances in computer vision, and its not as simple or as complex as 'sending each bit through the core'.

I thought this was meant to be a fun thread anyway.

If I am going to have to sit there and monitor the thing, I may as well let my wife do it, and wake me when we are there. She can sleep while I sail and be refreshed for the drive back. If I drive to Perth from Sydney, how many wives do I need?

I'm talkin SAE Level 5:Full automation, no human control of a vehicle is needed at all. Level five has full automation and vehicles don't need any pedals, steering wheels, or controls for a human to take charge. Google, through its Waymo subsidiary, is working on producing this level of automation.

What about self driving/sailing windsurfers and kites?
Imagine how much time we could all save if this gear could sail by itself and we could do other useful stuff at home or work?

Geez, haven't you people seen I,Robot?

They will try and kill us. Fk that.

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FormulaNova said..

nicephotog said..

FormulaNova said..
Seriously, everyone must be thinking it would be awesome to be pissed and have the self driving car drive you home.

Also on my favorites would be "driving" to Perth from Sydney. Not much of a drama really when you can watch TV, eat, sleep, read a book, as the miles pass by. I guess you would have to wake up for the fuel stops, but I think I could live with that. You could do it in record time.

Having said all this, I think the most impressive journey would be the work commute. No problems worrying about traffic when you are in the back having a nap or watching something on TV.

* ..."awesome to be pissed and have the self driving car drive you home"...
* ..."watch TV, eat, sleep, read a book, as the miles pass by"...
No actually, they did say that these vehicles do require "full awareness" while in use because some input is required for the vehicle to understand it is doing the right thing, and that is not true of being pissed , and not true in some split second emergency in some situations !
economictimes.indiatimes.com/small-biz/security-tech/technology/driverless-crashes/articleshow/56510821.cms

As a computer programmer myself i can tell you what to look for alike looking for the problem in a black box of an aircraft for information!
Sensors for example only read back what they get, and when constructed the a sensor unit and its specific job is calibrated to quality boundary of reception band.
However, sensors can go wrong as too components can change their values under particular physical environment conditions.
To make matters worse, the information is sent through what is known as a "core" of a CPU which is responsible for sorting, storing and matching data and committing operation upon that data in precedence simultaneously by which in that "scheme" one sensor is one thread (roughly) , and as management of threads in prioritization is called, to stop a thread is called an "interrupt". Prioritisation and backlogging can be a serious problem.

What they advertise in things such as driver-less buses in operation at this time is they have extremely defined routes. However one of those driver-less buses had quite a slammer "of its own failure" in the past year or two (and others that were not the driver-less vehicles fault e.g. recently in Las Vegas) !

My suggestion is that someone is sipping coffee at their same destination from same start place half way through your back breaker between Perth and Sydney !
windsolarhybridaustralia.x10.mx/PPL-light-aircraft.pdf

more... (not enough information by statistics as there are very few driver-less vehicles to commit that)
www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/07/01/business/inside-tesla-accident.html

The greatest subtlety about driver-less vehicles and ordinary road accidents by human error is the immense complexity something is trying to "A.K.A." "understand and simulate in real world actions" is really too human a problem for the obscure unique events of environment change. Hazard a guess it would require some extremely human ideals of mind to "understand means to end to traverse some obstacles carefully and sensibly enough" in face of non standardized route occurring or freak weather event

(note - Believe it or not i actually know a vehicle should weigh "2 ton" ( 1814 . 37Kg ) on some good roads to not be blown off the road in good weather with a perfect good surface !!! ).

============== I do not give them the point , it would require a "super cradle computer" to properly assess the information at "time speed" required !
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercomputer

NOT A TRUE LOOK BUT SOMETHING "VAGUELY COMPARITIVE"

one byte is (generally eight bits)

1 mega byte = 1048576 bytes

8 x 1048576 = 8388608 "bits" (one or zero) IN A MEGA-BYTE

120 Kmh = 3333.333333333333 milimeters - p/second

8Ghz (8 thousand million times per second) 8000000000

1/1000 th of a second 8000000

each "bit" (either one or zero) through the CPU instruction core is one cycle unit

THE FOLLOWING WOULD BE CLASSIFIED INFORMATION SO THESE VALUES ARE "SUPPOSE"
A "colour image" of 12 mega pixel can be said to be 12,000,000 x 3 = 36,000,000 (red,green,blue)
A radard image can be said to be grey scaled and 12,000,000 bytes
FOR IMAGING 48, MILLION BYTES OF INFORMATION

Simply to look at the picture will require buffering so to be putting it through the core will mean x 2 for "TIME"

2 x 48 million = 96,000,000 bytes

then interrupts must stop the thread to examine each eight byte set so an interrupt will come with the eigth bit making x 3 for "TIME"

but then the instruction index has to set the CPU core circuit to commit operation on the byte data using the stack and "program data"-CALLED INSTRUCTIONS that are sitting in a separate set of software byte data lcation

so we reach things logically x 6 (much more really) for time to read and operate on the data !!!


48 million x 6 = 288,000,000 bytes of DATA only total = 1728,000,000 bytes x 8 = ( 13824000000 bits (or one cycle beat))


1/1000 th of a second 8,000,000 cycles of CPU core beat

8,000,000 eight million times a "thousandth of a second"

13824000000 divided by 8,000,000

1728 sets of thousandths of a second for data

1728 / 1000 leaves sets of one second = 1.728 SECONDS


3333 (MM Per SECOND) x 1.728 = 5759 mm

================

SOMETHING LIKE .................. (approximately 5 meters traveled with an 8Ghz core CPU)

That's actually "a hell of a long way traveled" in popping the question on the console if something is wrong !!!

5.759 meters traveled (@ 120kMH) to complete the a basic SENSOR RECEPTION AND SOFTWARE PROCESSING !

================


I once figured that my hard disk over a few of hours at 5200 RPM to defrag my disk, the rim edge of the disk at 5 inch diameter travels around 700 Km to complete the task

GIANT suppose but there is some of the problem

The strategy computer scientists use to gain more CPU'S to make a virtual cradle super computer is to Network a set of computers.

I don't mean to be insulting, but are you sure you are a computer programmer? You go into a lot of detail about trivial things, but the way you evaluate information does not have to happen the way you describe.

Why would you need to have interrupts when you are processing that amount of data at speed? Seriously, I think you are not at the level required for understanding this problem.

I am sure there are a lot of advances in computer vision, and its not as simple or as complex as 'sending each bit through the core'.

I thought this was meant to be a fun thread anyway.

If I am going to have to sit there and monitor the thing, I may as well let my wife do it, and wake me when we are there. She can sleep while I sail and be refreshed for the drive back. If I drive to Perth from Sydney, how many wives do I need?

@ FormulaNova
Here is a quote from my post ..."NOT A TRUE LOOK BUT SOMETHING "VAGUELY COMPARITIVE"...
If you bothered to read the heading above the maths i just quoted from my post you would not need to bother with much of your post and its question,

@ FormulaNova Second, obviously you have no idea how a computer operates , neither imaging !
I am a computer Programmer ! I have written two freeware desktop programs, one of them an imaging program !

Here is a link to the imaging programs' code in an older version than present, to see the code properly requires downloading the file and using Adobe Acrobat PDF reader to view it with zoom.
www.scribd.com/doc/270239630/Sidewinder-Photo-Colour-Balancer

(Quote FormulaNova) Why would you need to have interrupts when you are processing that amount of data at speed?

(to operate on data e.g. measure it or change it or correlate it requires going through the instruction circuits in the core - e.g. that is what that is to be a CPU , that is what happens , you cannot have a program or data without that - anything else as an "electronic computer" is impossible !!!!) One single core allows only one thread(sub program instruction set indexed on the stack) in operation , to work on other data from other sensors in threading in a CPU the process thread is stopped (interrupted) after a particular quantity of time on the thread , and another set of instructions loaded for another thread(sub program of the OS) to work on ,,and so on until all of it is completed.
That action is multi threading. Because that problem is too slow, new CPU's now carry multi cores so they do not need to stop for other sub programs run simultaneous,

Of the maths, my imaging program speed in a 24 megapixel rates around the speed and data throughput similar to the maths example.
windsolarhybridaustralia.x10.mx/LinuxSideWinderPhotoColourBalancerConfigInstal.html
With the driver-less car , its just a look at how long it takes with an ordinary high speed CPU to process a sensors information and how much crap the vehicle would be in, in an emergency situation at speed (how far it may have traveled before it figure what its obstacle IS/WAS [ non descript problem on the sensor ]). In computing that is called "matching" alike with regular expressions, condition expressions , booleans.



Whichever way you look at it, for quite some time to come it would be a good idea to "be awake and monitor" the vehicle and environment as the Tesla incident in Florida shows.

At present in its technological trust state i would never do anything with a driver-less car.
The Tesla incident in Florida is actually everything it is about in some ways SIMPLY CANNOT OCCUR .PERIOD.
That not occurring is everything a driver-less car is all about of its existence.
No excuses.
Anyhows, everyone is being sold b****t about them using the sloganistic story "watching a movie while the vehicle totally drives itself"
That was what he was doing (Tesla fatality) when he got killed, the other one they use is "sleeping on long journeys".
www.motor1.com/news/64693/deconstructing-tesla-autopilot-fatal-accident/




The image shows if he had been watching he could duck down and probably saved his own life!

TESLA STATEMENT QUOTE
..."Tesla has reiterated that Autopilot is intended as a driving aid, rather than a fully autonomous system"...
www.motor1.com/news/64960/laptop-and-stand-also-recovered-from-tesla-autopilot-fatality-car/
LIKE I SAID everyone is being sold b****t about them

ODD STUFF HERE
www.motor1.com/news/64664/truck-driver-tesla-model-s-driver-was-watching-movie/

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Harrow said..
TESLA STATEMENT QUOTE
..."Tesla has reiterated that Autopilot is intended as a driving aid, rather than a fully autonomous system"...

Driving "aid"??? How can something that encourages you to let go of the wheel and reduce your concentration....and then blames YOU for not responding to a situation in time when the the computer makes error ever be called an "aid". You might as well text while driving if you think this is an aid. The TESLA autopilot function should be banned. Hard to think of anything more dangerous. The computer should act when the human makes an error, as the other way around is asking for trouble.

I agree. Maybe best to accept that the autopilot will fail occasionally and place the blame on the autopilot. There's a bit of data coming out on autopilots now. They're better than humans at piloting a car.

Ah Tesla..
The bloke I know runs an up market cars panel beating business.
The teslas are on the top of his customers list...He says that's because the teslas got the large screen with a lot of things to look at

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nicephotog said..

There are not enough driver-less or high level automation assist cars in use on the roads in USA or anywhere else to have any "true statistics".

The statistics will only get better. If they are shown to have a higher accident rate it'll take a long time for them to claw back. The nerds who can write software to even get a car around the block are smart enough to do stats. They'll have a pretty good idea of long term stats before they let them loose. They know if the real world stats turn out to be bad they'd be finished.

5 billion miles travelled so far that's 5,000 samples of crash rates per million km.
electrek.co/2017/07/12/tesla-global-fleet-electric-miles-model-3-launch/