Andy Yates riding new Ozone Chrono for first time. Who would have thought you can unhook on a Chrono?
Good to see the light wind freestyle being included.
All those days when it just too light for freestyle events..... thing of the past!
Well worth chucking one of these in the quiver if you going to spend time, money traveling for event only to sit on the beach because there a few knots missing.
Event organisers surely also benefit from a wider wind range, and less anxiety that their kiters, sponsors and fans rocking up for just beach day if light wind.
good call andy, and makes you towards the future we could be ripping in under 10 knots easy..good for weekenders, after work sessions etc..just relaunch I guess is still difficult
Select to expand quoteINTHELOOP said..
Who would have thought you can unhook on a Chrono?
Any foil rider? 
Select to expand quoteSandfoot said..
just relaunch I guess is still difficult
Only if you think holding onto a rear line is the only way to relaunch...
Select to expand quoteSandfoot said..
just relaunch I guess is still difficult
Only if you think holding onto a rear line is the only way to relaunch...
How else would you relaunch?
Select to expand quoteSandfoot said..Sandfoot said..
just relaunch I guess is still difficult
Only if you think holding onto a rear line is the only way to relaunch...
i think a water relaunch is really not too difficult with these, there are "how to" youtube clips showing you how its all done. the cells on this foil are closed too so will float a little on the water.
Select to expand quoteSandfoot said..Sandfoot said..
just relaunch I guess is still difficult
Only if you think holding onto a rear line is the only way to relaunch...
It's a very high AR foil. Foils require different techniques as they're not rigid. You can relaunch them if they're LE down by pulling a single rear line and letting them scoot across the window, but it's not as effective as reverse launching which AFAIK all foils excel at. In my experience, the higher AR foils don't like single rear line relaunches...
Pretty sure I'm right in saying that even though it's closed cell, it will bleed air with not being filled by the wind but the material itself is light enough to simply float on the surface of the water. From there, just like launching on land, all you need to do is get some wind under it...
Everything you need to know about relaunching, and everything else to do with this foil (and most other closed cell high AR foils) is in this video.
Select to expand quoteINTHELOOP said..
Who would have thought you can unhook on a Chrono?
If you cant unhook on a kite, it shouldn't be on the market.... 
ha Ewan now thats a proper statement. I will quote that in the future!
EJ famous sayings ;)
I don't agree with Ozone's method of packing the kite though. That's tangle valley for sure.
What sort of upwind angle can a good race kiter get these days? Say with a Chrono or an Edge
i.e. When considering the actual wind direction, how much better than 90 degrees do you reckon is possible?
Boats can get 45 degrees+ I think, if they chug along quite slowly with the right sail setup.
What would a normal kiter get? 10 degrees?
Select to expand quotewishy said..
What sort of upwind angle can a good race kiter get these days? Say with a Chrono or an Edge
i.e. When considering the actual wind direction, how much better than 90 degrees do you reckon is possible?
Boats can get 45 degrees+ I think, if they chug along quite slowly with the right sail setup.
What would a normal kiter get? 10 degrees?
Depends on water, if very choppy the a little less angle. smooth water = better angle.
I've only been on a race board a few months riding edges, and this is small 0.5m ocean swell/chop but pretty close around 35 degrees. (degress better than 90)
www.movescount.com/moves/move27485190
The top guys would do much high upwind angles and then again the foils even more so.
Keel boats like Etchells and Stars have very high angles getting up to 15-20º off the wind. Dinghies tend to tack through 60º in moderate wind so 30º off the wind. The foiling moths on the other hand can go a bit higher like 20º with much faster speed.Kite racers can easily do 30º but foils can definitely do more. Where raceboards and foils make up their true speed is in actual VMG. Twin tips I would imagine can do 60-80º depending on the gear they are using. If you want to get real technical, check this out: http://www.sailingcourse.com/keelboat/true_wind_calculator.htm
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I don't agree with Ozone's method of packing the kite though. That's tangle valley for sure.
How would you do it?
With bar and lines attached nothing is going to tangle in proper knots - you just unroll and give it all a jiggle to shake out the tangles. Rule #1 with bits of string is "Never pull it tight".
You *can* set up and launch foils faster than an LEI but you still have to do a quick inspection for tangles that could potentially become knots if pulled tight by launching. I make sure the bridle is laid out nicely for launch, the mixer isn't twisted and give the rest of the bridle a once over...
Don't you do the same with LEIs?
Select to expand quoteKitepower Australia said..
Everything you need to know about relaunching, and everything else to do with this foil (and most other closed cell high AR foils) is in this video.
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this thing just looks like a pain in the ass. Andy Yates makes it look like its worth the hassle tho.
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..Kazan said..
I don't agree with Ozone's method of packing the kite though. That's tangle valley for sure.
How would you do it?
With bar and lines attached nothing is going to tangle in proper knots - you just unroll and give it all a jiggle to shake out the tangles. Rule #1 with bits of string is "Never pull it tight".
You *can* set up and launch foils faster than an LEI but you still have to do a quick inspection for tangles that could potentially become knots if pulled tight by launching. I make sure the bridle is laid out nicely for launch, the mixer isn't twisted and give the rest of the bridle a once over...
Don't you do the same with LEIs?
I was referring more to the wrapping of the lines around the bar and especially throwing the bar in with the kite. That not only creates a tangled mess, even when shaking the bridle lines, but it risks damaging the canopy with other parts of the bar.
I don't get why so far no one has mentioned that the Chrono actually comes with a ground stake. The ground stake makes it way easy to self launch as it can be used to hold the lines taught and give you time to inspect the bridles before self launching. Parking the kite with the leading edge down, and the lines stretched out to the ground stake, allows you to quickly untangle any situation. All that is left is to hook up, flip the kite over, and then self launch. Ozone have been doing this with most of their foils (if not all) and for the fixed bridle foils, the ground-stake has been an essential part of the kite.
If you have to unhook the lines and re-hook them again once you've untangled the lines, then you're treating the kite as a LEI kite, which defeats the purpose of the foil line-setup and self launching abilities. Foils are way easier to self launch than a LEI kite and have been designed with this in mind. In fact learning to kite surf on a foil is like progressing on a LEI kite 10 times faster because the kite "forces" you to learn proper kite control and proper launching and landing techniques that a LEI does not easily show until disaster strikes (winds, power zone, accidents, etc). With LEI kites, you really need an assisted launch unless of course you're confident to self land and launch.
Select to expand quoteINTHELOOP said..
ha Ewan now thats a proper statement. I will quote that in the future!
EJ famous sayings ;)
Yah Marv, lets see an unhooked port tack start line maneuver in Brisbane 
And no points unless your strapless 
Select to expand quoteKazan said..Kamikuza said..Kazan said..
I don't agree with Ozone's method of packing the kite though. That's tangle valley for sure.
How would you do it?
With bar and lines attached nothing is going to tangle in proper knots - you just unroll and give it all a jiggle to shake out the tangles. Rule #1 with bits of string is "Never pull it tight".
You *can* set up and launch foils faster than an LEI but you still have to do a quick inspection for tangles that could potentially become knots if pulled tight by launching. I make sure the bridle is laid out nicely for launch, the mixer isn't twisted and give the rest of the bridle a once over...
Don't you do the same with LEIs?
I was referring more to the wrapping of the lines around the bar and especially throwing the bar in with the kite. That not only creates a tangled mess, even when shaking the bridle lines, but it risks damaging the canopy with other parts of the bar.
I don't get why so far no one has mentioned that the Chrono actually comes with a ground stake. The ground stake makes it way easy to self launch as it can be used to hold the lines taught and give you time to inspect the bridles before self launching. Parking the kite with the leading edge down, and the lines stretched out to the ground stake, allows you to quickly untangle any situation. All that is left is to hook up, flip the kite over, and then self launch. Ozone have been doing this with most of their foils (if not all) and for the fixed bridle foils, the ground-stake has been an essential part of the kite.
If you have to unhook the lines and re-hook them again once you've untangled the lines, then you're treating the kite as a LEI kite, which defeats the purpose of the foil line-setup and self launching abilities. Foils are way easier to self launch than a LEI kite and have been designed with this in mind. In fact learning to kite surf on a foil is like progressing on a LEI kite 10 times faster because the kite "forces" you to learn proper kite control and proper launching and landing techniques that a LEI does not easily show until disaster strikes (winds, power zone, accidents, etc). With LEI kites, you really need an assisted launch unless of course you're confident to self land and launch.
Don't trust a piddly ground steak on a monster foil even if it isn't inflated. unless its ultra light wind its a spear waiting to be launched.
PS that method of pack up is perfectly fine, Ben packing my foils like that for 10 years.
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I was referring more to the wrapping of the lines around the bar and especially throwing the bar in with the kite. That not only creates a tangled mess, even when shaking the bridle lines, but it risks damaging the canopy with other parts of the bar.
I don't get why so far no one has mentioned that the Chrono actually comes with a ground stake. The ground stake makes it way easy to self launch as it can be used to hold the lines taught and give you time to inspect the bridles before self launching. Parking the kite with the leading edge down, and the lines stretched out to the ground stake, allows you to quickly untangle any situation. All that is left is to hook up, flip the kite over, and then self launch. Ozone have been doing this with most of their foils (if not all) and for the fixed bridle foils, the ground-stake has been an essential part of the kite.
If you have to unhook the lines and re-hook them again once you've untangled the lines, then you're treating the kite as a LEI kite, which defeats the purpose of the foil line-setup and self launching abilities. Foils are way easier to self launch than a LEI kite and have been designed with this in mind. In fact learning to kite surf on a foil is like progressing on a LEI kite 10 times faster because the kite "forces" you to learn proper kite control and proper launching and landing techniques that a LEI does not easily show until disaster strikes (winds, power zone, accidents, etc). With LEI kites, you really need an assisted launch unless of course you're confident to self land and launch.
Nah, it doesn't tangle. Honest
I don't like tucking the bar in there either - possibility of damage yes (paranoia paranoia la la-lah-lah lah) but mostly my bar is wet and sandy by the time I pack up and I want to rinse it off, so I do it differently. I think the idea of wrapping the bar in there is to give it "thickness" so when you roll up, it doesn't take so long...
Stake is a gimmick, as P said won't hold much down if the wind is good - on a sandy beach. Maybe if you can pound it into hard-packed something but... hot-launching is never fun and should only be done IMO when the wind is super-light and you expect it to pick up shortly. Or you've got miles of room downwind Just something else to screw with and waste time, instead of just side-launching.
Parking the kite LE down I've played with (as a landing option) but the kite tends to skitter left and right and can damage the canopy as there is still quite a bit of load on the lines... and then you're still stuck with a reverse- to hot-launch. Side launch is the best option by a long shot, and a form or other of reverse landing is equally best
And you don't need a lot of weight on a tip (generally) to hold the kite side-ways to the wind...
It's an assumption that the Chrono is only sold "complete"... otherwise, you're saving some money not buying a bar for each kite. But again, taking the lines off is dumb as you're greatly increasing the risk of bridles looping inside themselves and wasting time figuring it all out.
Agreed. Leave the lines on pretty much ensures that (unless you cocked up your pack up completely) all you need to do is walk out the lines, layout the bridles and give them a check over, then launch.
Your issues with tangles sounds like a PMU argument it's just a non-issue - yeah, you get a few loops that "tangle" but by far the majority of them come out with a simple jiggle of the lines as you lay the bridle out.
Learning with a foil... hmmm, you can do it but as soon as you start jumping or stunting, you are in for great fun when you've ridden at the kite and lost line tension or swung under it and front-stalled it. Recipe for frustration and lots of swear words like this
how much patience do you have?
Select to expand quotePlummet said..Kazan said..Kamikuza said..Kazan said..
I don't agree with Ozone's method of packing the kite though. That's tangle valley for sure.
How would you do it?
With bar and lines attached nothing is going to tangle in proper knots - you just unroll and give it all a jiggle to shake out the tangles. Rule #1 with bits of string is "Never pull it tight".
You *can* set up and launch foils faster than an LEI but you still have to do a quick inspection for tangles that could potentially become knots if pulled tight by launching. I make sure the bridle is laid out nicely for launch, the mixer isn't twisted and give the rest of the bridle a once over...
Don't you do the same with LEIs?
I was referring more to the wrapping of the lines around the bar and especially throwing the bar in with the kite. That not only creates a tangled mess, even when shaking the bridle lines, but it risks damaging the canopy with other parts of the bar.
I don't get why so far no one has mentioned that the Chrono actually comes with a ground stake. The ground stake makes it way easy to self launch as it can be used to hold the lines taught and give you time to inspect the bridles before self launching. Parking the kite with the leading edge down, and the lines stretched out to the ground stake, allows you to quickly untangle any situation. All that is left is to hook up, flip the kite over, and then self launch. Ozone have been doing this with most of their foils (if not all) and for the fixed bridle foils, the ground-stake has been an essential part of the kite.
If you have to unhook the lines and re-hook them again once you've untangled the lines, then you're treating the kite as a LEI kite, which defeats the purpose of the foil line-setup and self launching abilities. Foils are way easier to self launch than a LEI kite and have been designed with this in mind. In fact learning to kite surf on a foil is like progressing on a LEI kite 10 times faster because the kite "forces" you to learn proper kite control and proper launching and landing techniques that a LEI does not easily show until disaster strikes (winds, power zone, accidents, etc). With LEI kites, you really need an assisted launch unless of course you're confident to self land and launch.
Don't trust a piddly ground steak on a monster foil even if it isn't inflated. unless its ultra light wind its a spear waiting to be launched.
PS that method of pack up is perfectly fine, Ben packing my foils like that for 10 years.
I am somewhat surprised, but then again I could be doing this all wrong.
I just cannot get a clean set of lines packing it the Ozone or your way. Every time i've tried, I unwind the lines and discover the outside lines wrapped at least once under the centre lines, and I have no idea how it happened. I carefully lay the bar down with all lines parallel, and roll the kite from tips to centre, making sure all lines up to the bridle poijts are tucked into the first two or three wraps of the kite. So both sides are kept separate from each other. Once the kite has been rolled up, I go and figure 8 the lines towards the kite, cover the bar ends with the elastic straps, and pick the lot up. That's how I found the only way to avoid a tangle.
Doing it your way, I found that the bar has somehow 'inverted' through one of the steering lines and hence they are crossing over. I have to then disconnect all lines, do the walk of the LEI thing to separate everything again and then reconnect. In 15knots +, this is a very risky and frustrating move that has sometimes forced me to abandon the session all together, with a giant ball of lines everywhere.
Select to expand quoteKamikuza said..
What do you expect from the FS Pulse? That kite IS a piece of shyte.
Obviously you're not doing "my" way or you wouldn't have those problems 
Seriously though, you're worrying about non issues. The center and steering lines will always wrap cos the mixer SORRY speed system keeps them only a few inches apart... When you lay the kite out to launch, just make sure the mixer is the right way and untangled and (assuming you've kept to you system of packing) you can give them a cursory check when you walk back to the bar.
Can't remember what's in the Ozone video? but when you land the kite, secure a tip and lay it out parallel to the wind. I backs tall land then hand over hand up to the kite, so the bar is lying directly upwind. Once the kite is secure, I just wrap up the lines as normal, up to the trailing edge. Throw the bar over to the leading edge side, tip to tip and wrap the kite? tucking the bridles in as I go. Dead easy.
Actually that was a Speed2 12 and some one got a hell of a bargain when tantrum boy sold his geAr and went back to windsurfing.
Now I think I see where your problem is. You need to throw the bar across the kite then close the kite without the bar inside it.
Just my two cents, I always leave my paraglider, but I always disconnect my kites. IN both cases I am very fastidious about how I pack up and how I set up.
Packing gear well is an acquired skill (like everything else). You can't do it without practice and thinking it through. Remember how frequently you tangled your lines when you were a newbie? When was the last time you tangled your lines?
With packing the actual method is irrelevant. The important thing is to choose a method you are happy with and work it through until you are good at it.
wind the lines up on the bar on the way to the kite. Keep winding till you have some bridle wound. stand on the flagged out wing tip and pull the other wing tip up with the bridles. Loosley chuck the bridle in between the 2 wing tips. slap the bar on top and roll up the kite.
The only problem with this method is that your less likely to wash the bar afterward as it makes for a wet kite.
Select to expand quotePlummet said..
The only problem with this method is that your less likely to wash the bar afterward as it makes for a wet kite.
Which is why I don't
I think if you haven't figured it out by now, foils really aren't your thing...
