Liam on his first time out on the new 8m Evo 3 Strut aluula kite and nails a 32m jump at 4m 54 secs. That directly puts the Core XR 5 strut on short notice about how many struts you need when using the more rigid stronger lighter Aluula frame..
Will be very interesting what he can do in extreme conditions that they normally chase records in.
I spied the New 10m Ocean Rodeo 5 strut Flite big air kite in testing - that is soon to be released - Liam stalks it from behind at 1m 59 secs on purpose lol and looks like their about level..
Interesting that Ocean Rodeo are going 5 strut whilst Duotone are now pushing the fact that 3 struts are enough (I know that the majority of their team riders are 75kg not 95kg). Wonder if the canopy material makes much of the difference or whether its just the battens that Duotone use that make up the difference?
From a marketing perspective, the Evo already has a great rep and following as an allrounder so it makes sense that the 3 strut would get released before the Rebel. Its ability to be a big air kite, surf and foil all in one ticks a lot of boxes.
Expensive ? yes and no if you bought those 3 different kites, or you could have a single ultra light Travel weapon...
For those who are new or about to learn jumping, there is another important skill in the video you might not notice.
As it is a big air spot, the other riders all look upwind and upwards to see if anyone is flying thru. They are looking behind before chnging directions and trying to 'work together' to have the most fun as safely as possible.
Sometimes as you can see, they get a gust and carried further downwind than they thought.. at 5min 2secs you see the Core rider edge hard and raise his kite upwards to let Liam swing thru..
At 2min 4sec you can see theres some traffic in front of them and they are both steering their kites back into the wind to land short.
So an excellent video showing off the Evo and rider skills.
Have fun out there and play safe 'together' 
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Ralf: "We have team riders like Andrea Principi, who is currently riding the Evo D/LAB eight meter, and he claims that he's able to jump more than 10% higher with this than any other kite, just imagine 10% more height if you are already jumping 30 meters."
If Andrea is correct....and Liam also seems to agree, this may obsolete the Rebel and all other 5 strut big air boosters!?
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Ralf: "We have team riders like Andrea Principi, who is currently riding the Evo D/LAB eight meter, and he claims that he's able to jump more than 10% higher with this than any other kite, just imagine 10% more height if you are already jumping 30 meters."
If Andrea is correct....and Liam also seems to agree, this may obsolete the Rebel and all other 5 strut big air boosters!?
Maybe? But... the people talking about boosting high are all flyweights. I'll reserve judgment until I see a proper 'man sized' rider who is old enough to drink beer do a comparison. That's where you need the strong leading edge frame. The website talks about inflating the DLAB evo to 7psi - same as a regular Evo. I want to see the 110kg riders on a 10m in 35knots+ to really see how well the design holds up.
You just have to look at the Orbit and even with a proper man sized development rider in Marc J, the really big lads are finding the leading edge buckles when the wind picks up.
Thats a good point for the heavier riders... so we will no doubt see a rider weight versus kite 3 or 5 strut preference at comps or use of both according to trick specialty. Duotone obviously 'Forced' to compete with Aluula game changing material, although you can still see where the potential is when comparing kite weights.
10m Dlab evo = 2.4 kg 3 strut
10m O/R Rise = 2.5kg 5 strut
So we can have the same weight with 2 extra struts to maximise profile stability. Inflation pressure - according to whose gauge that stays accurate, pump pause pump again and check strut stiffness is the only way a kite gets the right inflation pressure - the strut air bleed rate doesnt show on a gauge.. thats the reason for the pause.
Giel Vlugt who rides the rise is about the same weight as Marc J, doesnt have any problems with his kite - so thats why I think the Rebel will be next in line. The potential perforfomance you can design for with Aluula compared to standard material is huge, so maybe called the same same but different..
The yet to be relased O/R 5 strut Flite big air focused kite will ensure that Duotone has to keep on its toes with the Rebel 5 strut design.
In 2024 O/R will introduce the new Aeris X 'canopy' material - 10x stronger/stable 40% lighter so once again it will get lighter with better performance. Duotone will have to follow, so we should see some amazing kites and obviously new comp tricks by 2026.
For the heavier riders its all good news if you have enough bananas saved up.
I'm happy that o/r has been at pushing innovation because we all know that kite brands will do nothing except take your money, if not forced to change. I suspect we may see a Formula 1 GP style separation eventually in comps where you can have the best Talent - but at the back of the grid because you not using the 'A" spec gear.. (a lot of peolple in hospitals because they try to match the double loop with standard gear..)
Heres a link for he Aeris X material that 'all the brands' were very interested in at the show.
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Wing-Foiling/Wind-Wings/Aluula-Graphlite-and-Ares-X-canopy?page=1
Lastly most brands are stating kite size / wind comparisons for a 75kg rider - like womens fashion if you want to look like the size 8 but your a 14, you just have accept that they are not designing for you and mod the hell out of everthything to make it better, like we used to do in high performance racing :)
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Thats a good point for the heavier riders... so we will no doubt see a rider weight versus kite 3 or 5 strut preference at comps or use of both according to trick specialty. Duotone obviously 'Forced' to compete with Aluula game changing material, although you can still see where the potential is when comparing kite weights.
10m Dlab evo = 2.4 kg 3 strut
10m O/R Rise = 2.5kg 5 strut
So we can have the same weight with 2 extra struts to maximise profile stability. Inflation pressure - according to whose gauge that stays accurate, pump pause pump again and check strut stiffness is the only way a kite gets the right inflation pressure - the strut air bleed rate doesnt show on a gauge.. thats the reason for the pause.
Giel Vlugt who rides the rise is about the same weight as Marc J, doesnt have any problems with his kite - so thats why I think the Rebel will be next in line. The potential perforfomance you can design for with Aluula compared to standard material is huge, so maybe called the same same but different..
The yet to be relased O/R 5 strut Flite big air focused kite will ensure that Duotone has to keep on its toes with the Rebel 5 strut design.
In 2024 O/R will introduce the new Aeris X 'canopy' material - 10x stronger/stable 40% lighter so once again it will get lighter with better performance. Duotone will have to follow, so we should see some amazing kites and obviously new comp tricks by 2026.
For the heavier riders its all good news if you have enough bananas saved up.
I'm happy that o/r has been at pushing innovation because we all know that kite brands will do nothing except take your money, if not forced to change. I suspect we may see a Formula 1 GP style separation eventually in comps where you can have the best Talent - but at the back of the grid because you not using the 'A" spec gear.. (a lot of peolple in hospitals because they try to match the double loop with standard gear..)
Heres a link for he Aeris X material that 'all the brands' were very interested in at the show.
www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Wing-Foiling/Wind-Wings/Aluula-Graphlite-and-Ares-X-canopy?page=1
Lastly most brands are stating kite size / wind comparisons for a 75kg rider - like womens fashion if you want to look like the size 8 but your a 14, you just have accept that they are not designing for you and mod the hell out of everthything to make it better, like we used to do in high performance racing :)
We've been having discussions with OR about upcoming developments including the 5 strut Flite. The AerisX cloth will not be made available to other brands for 2 years, same with the new bladder material. AerisX is going to make a big difference to wingdings too. The cloth is incredibly strong and will withstand a lot of the contacts that now result in a punctured canopy when a foil wing touches a wingers canopy accidentally. We are super excited to get hold of the new AerisX and Graflyte kites and wings!
There's a trend towards needing 5 struts for big air kites, and many 5 strut designs have always been able to boost big with the right rider on the end. The North Orbit and Cabrinha Nitro are two 5 strutters popular with the big air people along with the tried and true Ozone Edge. Ozone has a new V12 Edge coming later this year also 5 strut again.
I know this has been posted already but its worth posting again for those who may have missed it.
Well O/R better get their act together for a 'real' big air kite like the Xr & Edge or it will be a pink elephant pushed into the expensive corner away from the others..
If Liam spanked out 32m on their all-rounder first time out.. I can't wait to see what their big jump kite the Rebel does when it's released into the atmosphere 
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Well O/R better get their act together for a 'real' big air kite like the Xr & Edge or it will be a pink elephant pushed into the expensive corner away from the others..
If Liam spanked out 32m on their all-rounder first time out.. I can't wait to see what their big jump kite the Rebel does when it's released into the atmosphere
OR need to get their act togther?
1st BAKL full power event,
3rd Tarifa Big Air event
Qatar Airways Men's move of the year
Male rider of the year.
Meanwhile.... Duotone still haven't managed to make a light weight LEI with Allula.
Select to expand quotedachopper said..SaveTheWhales said..
Well O/R better get their act together for a 'real' big air kite like the Xr & Edge or it will be a pink elephant pushed into the expensive corner away from the others..
If Liam spanked out 32m on their all-rounder first time out.. I can't wait to see what their big jump kite the Rebel does when it's released into the atmosphere
OR need to get their act togther?
1st BAKL full power event,
3rd Tarifa Big Air event
Qatar Airways Men's move of the year
Male rider of the year.
Meanwhile.... Duotone still haven't managed to make a light weight LEI with Allula.
Big air is highest jump not trick, as in Surfr or Woo height.
Giel knows and has said he can't compete against a pure big air kite height on a rise..
That's why they need to get their act together and make their new 'Big air' kite that can better the Xr or Edge !
New materials as you've seen with the rise - don't automatically give you the biggest jumping kite.
When someone says 'high aspect ratio, that also doesn't automatically give you a big jumping kite..
There's another world of profile that makes it efficient in the air - as you've just seen on the 'Blank kite tests'
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Interesting that Ocean Rodeo are going 5 strut whilst Duotone are now pushing the fact that 3 struts are enough (I know that the majority of their team riders are 75kg not 95kg). Wonder if the canopy material makes much of the difference or whether its just the battens that Duotone use that make up the difference?
Man size? 110kg is just obese. These team riders are men, and there is nothing manly about neglecting your health.
I remember the good old days when i was only 0.1 tonne +GST. Then i discovered homebrew.
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Interesting that Ocean Rodeo are going 5 strut whilst Duotone are now pushing the fact that 3 struts are enough (I know that the majority of their team riders are 75kg not 95kg). Wonder if the canopy material makes much of the difference or whether its just the battens that Duotone use that make up the difference?
Man size? 110kg is just obese. These team riders are men, and there is nothing manly about neglecting your health.
Are you Jake the muss or something? 'Too much weights..not enough cardio'? 
Weight training is a legit no wind hobby. Sure we don't all look like MMA star Francis Ngannou (shredded at 120kg ) but let's not push the fat slurs just because you're under six foot tall hey? 
Select to expand quoteweebitbreezy said..xy500 said..weebitbreezy said..
Interesting that Ocean Rodeo are going 5 strut whilst Duotone are now pushing the fact that 3 struts are enough (I know that the majority of their team riders are 75kg not 95kg). Wonder if the canopy material makes much of the difference or whether its just the battens that Duotone use that make up the difference?
Man size? 110kg is just obese. These team riders are men, and there is nothing manly about neglecting your health.
Are you Jake the muss or something? 'Too much weights..not enough cardio'?
Weight training is a legit no wind hobby. Sure we don't all look like MMA star Francis Ngannou (shredded at 120kg ) but let's not push the fat slurs just because you're under six foot tall hey?
Tell me at what height 120kg is a healthy weight, and then ill tell you how much taller than you i am ??
How is the dlab evo going? I liked my sls and might be drunk enough one night to order a dlab. Worth getting a 9 or is this more a thing for the 11-12m? Think I heard somewhere they based the design on the juice? I don't like my 15m juice much.
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How is the dlab evo going? I liked my sls and might be drunk enough one night to order a dlab. Worth getting a 9 or is this more a thing for the 11-12m? Think I heard somewhere they based the design on the juice? I don't like my 15m juice much.
The design starting from the juice DLAB is mentioned half way down here: www.duotonesports.com/kiteboarding/more/about-us/news/detailed/behind-the-design-with-ralf-ralf-groesel-evo-d-lab/
The Kitemana reviews comparing the standard, SLS and DLAB seem to be the most useful so far.
What didn't you like about the juice? Was thinking of getting a 13m. Had heard they had a pretty good wind range and hangtime - which sounded like what I was looking for.
Cheers. Mine is a 2020 or 2021 normal juice maybe they changed since then. Didn't like that it pulled so much downwind but I might just be a wuss not used to big kites. If you are after hangtime it definitely has that!
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The design starting from the juice DLAB is mentioned half way down here: www.duotonesports.com/kiteboarding/more/about-us/news/detailed/behind-the-design-with-ralf-ralf-groesel-evo-d-lab/
The Kitemana reviews comparing the standard, SLS and DLAB seem to be the most useful so far.
What didn't you like about the juice? Was thinking of getting a 13m. Had heard they had a pretty good wind range and hangtime - which sounded like what I was looking for.
That's a very good in depth review of the Evo aluula and excellent move not copy the standard evo.
It all benefits the average Joe who just wants to go big .. and loop easily when they build up enough courage.
A bit of fluff in there about no other kite like it, as he's forgot Ocean rodeo alula kites have been taking records in big air and surf for a few years now lol.
I hope we can get a 9m Demo here.
Andrea Principi with the new evo aluula kite should turn the comps upside down now that he can compete on equal gear.
Check out this rather huge jump.
Scroll down one to see it ?
www.instagram.com/reel/CqQ1c0qOyNb/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=
Here's the Official blasting about having a good time vid of Liam on the Evo 8 and Giul on the Flite 10 :)
The French Big Air comp 'Lords of Tram' flatwater is over with Liam Whaley taking 1st, Andrea Principi 2nd and Jamie Overbeek 3rd.
Both Liam an Andrea were on the New DuoTone Aluula Evo kites, Liam with some very smooth style and showcasing how well the kites can Double loop at low height, as the final had less wind than they hoped.
Flatwater and waves can produce different results in lauch techniques, the wind ranged from Nuclear to bugger all and provided an excellent display of skill of all competitors..
Dang you could start a brothel lol - best change that to Ozone though, 'Jamie Overbeek' is now your Pimp Daddy
Select to expand quoteweebitbreezy said..Itsmealex said..
How is the dlab evo going? I liked my sls and might be drunk enough one night to order a dlab. Worth getting a 9 or is this more a thing for the 11-12m? Think I heard somewhere they based the design on the juice? I don't like my 15m juice much.
The design starting from the juice DLAB is mentioned half way down here: www.duotonesports.com/kiteboarding/more/about-us/news/detailed/behind-the-design-with-ralf-ralf-groesel-evo-d-lab/
The Kitemana reviews comparing the standard, SLS and DLAB seem to be the most useful so far.
What didn't you like about the juice? Was thinking of getting a 13m. Had heard they had a pretty good wind range and hangtime - which sounded like what I was looking for.
I have the 13 m juice dlab. I use it for foiling and as a light wind wave kite . It's a very good kite.. Much better and different than the earlier ones. Locals here also use the standard version ,. they all love it for boosting , tt , etc.
It has amazing apparent wind , very solid frame , very responsive yet excellent plug and play. Look like a big kite but acts smaller.
If you use the settings . as I now do with my new kites depending on the activity , I'm finding the range and performance ( both in wind strength and in what discipline you are using it for ) of this kite is surprisingly good at all I ask of it. For waves on the strong setting , it drifts well and responds to looping in onshore as well as recovers to slack line situations. It's quite surprising. On the foil it dumps power easily , recovers well , pivot loops on loose lines when you need it .
I'm very happy with it.
I have the new 10m evo dlab and love it so far, yet to use it in 30+ knots i had two foiling sessions and one gusty 20-25 knots sesh. Its very responsive, agile and feels light on the bar.
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I have the new 10m evo dlab and love it so far, yet to use it in 30+ knots i had two foiling sessions and one gusty 20-25 knots sesh. Its very responsive, agile and feels light on the bar.
wonder if you can run Evo DLAD on low V bar like Ozone or Reedin.. Hate high Y stupid bars and designs ..worst design in Kitesurfing
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wonder if you can run Evo DLAD on low V bar like Ozone or Reedin.. Hate high Y stupid bars and designs ..worst design in Kitesurfing
At low to medium wind it would fly ok - but at the top end it would buckle and jelly fish.
The reason brands use the high Y is to lock in the leading edge to prevent the above - otherwise they really have to develop a solid kite design without it.. The market trend moved away from 5 line kites to make them more user friendly avoiding wingtip wraps.
The high Y is like a happy medium for easy stability, all kites have the 'give & take' effect in design.
