How is a clicky bar or a ball a game changer?

Do they make you kite any better or easier?

SO here is the argument FOR each tech (does not mean I want it or am planning to pay for it):

Cabrinha Fireball - It gives the attachment point of the harness the ability to rotate and flex in whichever direction it needs to vs the CL/CD setup that does not offer this flex. This in turn leads to the harness not riding up or getting out of position. Its a cleaner solution than a sliding rope and offers a more 3D solution than the sliding rope. A game changer for an experienced rider? No. For a beginner, its prob helpful. THe problem: The compay is trying to push people into their proprietary technology and squeeze people for cashola.

North ClickBar - Lots of improvements for the bar control system (multiple V adjustments for the lines, clicker trim system, open autoswivel, etc.) to solve alot of the control bar issues people are having. A necessity? No. A nicer, cleaner system: Yes. I dont need this as an experienced rider, but some of these things would be nice. The adjustable V is something I would like, altho I am not certain how much of an ongoing need that is vs a short term setup to test out different V configs for dif kites to figure out what it does and how I like my kites setup. Eg, do I want a lower V for wakestyle and highiger Y for hooked in high wind looping session? Is there a universal split that works best? etc.

If we never change anything we will never progress. To be fair its priced richly atm, but let 5 more companies come out with something similar and in 3-4 years the improvements become free.

testers claim the mechanism has remained sand free after years of abuse. Lets see it go to market and see where we are in three years, after we can verify that claim in additiion to having reduced purchase cost.

As far as only the kite mattering, I disagree. One of the greatest improvements in this sport was the invention of the Chicken Loop with the flag out system. Right now, my dream kite exists but my dream bar does not and I find myself hating my kite's designer due to overlooking necessary bar/lines improvements.

Do you need it? I say no, let it come down in price and let the mechanism test itself out on nooblet buyers for a couple of years. Persoanlly, I have always just loved ATB trim though - I like being able to power up and down quickly as I am very sensitive to weak low end (I rarely depower tho, mostly just for landing and launching).

A bar with lines that wont break on me every other session, easy to use and functional trim, a swivel that actually works, a sliding stopper that actually works, a CL that is decent, a Double Safety ring, and finally, Oh Sheet handles on the steering as well as the fifth line (cause I dont like touching lines in 50 kts just to relaunch a kite!). Is that too much to ask?

game changer: A kite that uses nano robots to morph state of the art nano particles at command, into different sizes and geometry. (including a paraglider when required)..with lines and bars made from the same material that can also alter in real time, controlled by an augmented reality head set...which relays real time footage to an app accessed by those that want to see some elses session from a different place on the globe.

The rest...no game changer per say. But marketers will be marketers.

Personally if you are serious you NEED a quad tex kite, run on a fireball system with a clicker bar....lol.

GAME CHANGERRRRRRRRRSSSSSSS....

The only true "game changer" will be when a kite can fly and pull someone around 80kg in anything between 2knots and 32knots or more. One size, one kite, one bar, end of story.

The Game Changer,

when something fairly simple is made unnecessarily complex,

and where solutions are found for problems that never existed.

lol.

"Game Changing" is obviously a bit of marketing copy writer hype. Hopefully the guys testing these new things came out of the water and said, "Wow! ...." and that led to some excitement inside the companies. It's a little scary when two companies come out with the same slogan for the same class of product at the same time.

On the plus side, the Fireball does get the tow point closer to your body and does reduce the chance of foul hooking (which happens frequently), and does reduce the complexity in the spreader bar when compared to Dynabar and stuff. Shackles do a similar job but are hugely unreliable. The only problem is it is not really compatible with existing spreader bars. It would be a pity that companies cannot innovate just because of an entrenched, arguably inferior technology. If it is demonstrably better then people will find a way of making it work for them.

The Clicker bar solves possibly a heap more problems. You have above the bar, below the bar, 3 lines through the bar, cleats, ladder lock buckles, enclosed lines, line wear, 5th line, mini-5th, single line, high-Y, low-Y, trimmers out of reach, tension bungees on safety lines, wear on all those lines and the risk of tangles. And bars not compatible across different brands and styles of kite. All that disappears by putting a simple, enclosed adjuster on the rear lines.

While you would think it would be super complicated, the videos show it is not so complicated at all. It is a tad expensive, but not much more expensive than high end bars from name kite brands. It remains to be seen whether it is reliable and robust as is claimed. It is a bit of a pity there is no length adjustment. Some of my kites don't like to be flown on a long bar. I suppose I could get used to it with practice.

than wait and see what happens? if its a good thing then it will shine through? like any developments and progression? wait till the marking **** goes away and joe blogs has had one for a few seasons has bent it broken it and abused it? and as they say " never buy the first of anything"

Yeh man I know what ya mean...I chucked my bar in an old small tent bag the other day...it was a revelatory experience.

I have an idea to make turning the kite much easier in waves especially in conditions which require a lot of direction changes and looping of the kite which I find difficult with one hand at centre of bar and not wanting to use two hands due to the fact it takes your approach and body angle away from how you would surf a wave.ill post up prototype when I get the time to make it.has potential for dedicated wave riding especially in cross on and on shore conditions.cross off not so much but where I live that's a rarity.

what i find is a game changer is laurie changing the default font of the SB forums without telling anyone . Now that is game changing