Why get on here and bag out a product you have never seen or had any experience with. it's good to be sceptical when a company tries to sell you there latest and greatest but to completely write it off before you have even the slightest clue as to whether or not it works is just stupid.
Yes when these new products come out the only people writing good reviews are the team riders and shops/ sellers but that is because the products haven't been released to general public yet so they are the only ones who've tried them !
Whether the hype is real only time and experience will tell. I for one am very happy to see a "new improved better than ever " kite material being put out. Whilst some innovations aren't always on point or even necessary, better more durable kite material is something that is an important step forward to the sport.
Whether or not this be stuff from Naish is really better we can only wait and find out, I will definitely be keeping an eye on the reviews and info coming through down the track and I hope it really is better as this is an important aspect of kite design that can do with a lot of improvement.
Select to expand quoteYoungbreezy said..
Why get on here and bag out a product you have never seen or had any experience with. it's good to be sceptical when a company tries to sell you there latest and greatest but to completely write it off before you have even the slightest clue as to whether or not it works is just stupid.
Yes when these new products come out the only people writing good reviews are the team riders and shops/ sellers but that is because the products haven't been released to general public yet so they are the only ones who've tried them !
Whether the hype is real only time and experience will tell. I for one am very happy to see a "new improved better than ever " kite material being put out. Whilst some innovations aren't always on point or even necessary, better more durable kite material is something that is an important step forward to the sport.
Whether or not this be stuff from Naish is really better we can only wait and find out, I will definitely be keeping an eye on the reviews and info coming through down the track and I hope it really is better as this is an important aspect of kite design that can do with a lot of improvement.
Hmmm nahh.. I prefer real reviews from real kiters that are not patted on the back by the companies or shops
Part of the point I was making is that when these products are released the only people able to make reviews are the team riders/ shops as they are the only ones who have tried the products. These reviews are of course not fair and unbiased so take these with a grain of salt but you cannot blame the companies for trying to promote their products.
What I was saying is wait til the dust settles and you can actually get fair unbiased reviews, then people can make an informed decision as to whether a product really works as it says- trolling the product as soon as it is mentioned ( not directed at you colo more the others on this thread) does not help the ongoing improvement of kite gear.
Do you guys walk down the supermarket Isle like " oh look Kellogg's just brought out a new type of cereal who the f##k do they think they are!!"
Well i guess there's already plenty of quite adequate breakfast foods that have kept me satisfied and alive for the last few decades
So when a whole bunch of shiny marketing bullplop for the millionth time screams at me about the latest greatest must have four times better than the rest cereal, I tend to call it as I see it...
Bullplop
But i am talking about breakfast cereal mind...
Kiting actually had massive advances in technological research and developments that get delivered to us exactly at the same time every year
if its really stiff, i wonder how well it will pack away in the bag. time after time fold after fold, roll after roll.
some weirdos like to make sure their kite is folded on the same crease every time they pack up. not good.
sounds like it would be a great canopy in the air though. nice and ridged
I have to say the guys on here are a tough crowd! I love new stuff and if you understand anything about design or manufacturing a lot of effort goes into making things better. I would rather see something new than the same old things.
I can say I have flown both materials and the Quad-tex is noticeably better.
Kitcho im not a cloth designer but its still the same fibres so it should act the same way as normal cloth unless you want to really fold it away like a shirt!
Brand new kite comes out with new tech
Everybody: drool
Kite company: $$$
Everybody: kite broken ????
Kite company:
Select to expand quoteStKKiter said..
Is that an (extremely short) bridal with pulley as an option for the front line attachment?
yes it is. bringing the Torch to the masses :)
Thanks Magotom. How does it compare to the Park HD when ridden on the bridle (especially wind range/de power)?
Thanks
Here's my twist on kite materials and owners
Here's your naish kiter
Here's your north rider
Here's your ozone
Lightweight and Dacron patches in the wrong spots
Select to expand quotehilly said...
WTF does ridged mean??
Would be nice to have a rigid kite, apparently 
You've never seen naked woman
Select to expand quoteStKKiter said..
Thanks Magotom. How does it compare to the Park HD when ridden on the bridle (especially wind range/de power)?
Thanks
overall the torch with the ESP mode delivers more depower but still is a full Torch DNA. The Park delivers wider range but far from the same perfomances of the Torch in boosting, slack of the lines, looping etc.
Overall the ESP mode on Torch is like the traction control on you Lambo :)
Select to expand quotemagotom said..StKKiter said..
Thanks Magotom. How does it compare to the Park HD when ridden on the bridle (especially wind range/de power)?
Thanks
overall the torch with the ESP mode delivers more depower but still is a full Torch DNA. The Park delivers wider range but far from the same perfomances of the Torch in boosting, slack of the lines, looping etc.
Overall the ESP mode on Torch is like the traction control on you Lambo :)
quoting myself, i would spend more time on the bar than on the kite.. the bars are really well done this time, and the line set up on the torch is totally different from the past 5/8 years series...(as far as i could remember)
Relax guys. Talk about trying to make a point here. Slammed if ya have an opinion.
Another great product from China yet again! Hoorray! Clink... cheers
fjxinquan.en.made-in-china.com/product/DXvxtLiTOWhU/China-Waterproof-Quadruple-Yarn-Ripstop-Diamond-Oxford-Nylon-Fabric-with-PU.html
I guess I am just not into the frothing stage yet. Maybe when I see something out there that doesn't require bladders, valves, weight, complicated bridles, and lightweight.. oh yeah I said weight... a single skin kite that can relaunch, fly and pull at least 150kg forces in 5knots to 25knots in a single size fits all.... yeah then I will FROTH
Select to expand quotemagotom said...StKKiter said..
Is that an (extremely short) bridal with pulley as an option for the front line attachment?
yes it is. bringing the Torch to the masses :)
Why? Fuels failed with a bridal torches will too!
It was about kite material wasn't it ? Not mobile phone companies. And if those patches were on a best(not a ozone ) i cant wait till they fall of ,like there valves did ...
Select to expand quoteLostinSpace said...
Ozone gets my vote even if the patches are in the wrong places 
My bad sorry
On reflection the Dacron patch does appear to be on the major wear points
That's if I owned her
Yeh Mick we all know which one we'd rather ride....well of course there might be some who would rather ride the clown suited guy...oh wait, that would be me...crap.
Select to expand quoteeppo said..
Yeh Mick we all know which one we'd rather ride....well of course there might be some who would rather ride the clown suited guy...oh wait, that would be me...crap.
Please don't be another sheep
Wtf are you talking about new comer...I must have been going 'baaahh' for 17 seasons...
Maybe the quad tech is actually better, until you ride the kites (and have enough experience to tell the difference - which I doubt for you given this stupid comment), how the fck would you really know.
Maybe it's the next phase...might not make a huge difference, but that's where we are at, incremental improvements.
All i can say is the difference between D2 or not, longevity and rigidity is / was (it seems) night and day. If you know what you are lookinf for that is.
Don;t knock it until you tried it is what I am saying.
And Micks analyses of the brands is really hilarious... 
if you have ridden most of the kites for each of the brands...
Select to expand quotecauncy said...LostinSpace said...
Ozone gets my vote even if the patches are in the wrong places
My bad sorry
On reflection the Dacron patch does appear to be on the major wear points
That's if I owned her
But be careful if you over inflate the ozone's it looks like this.........
So I've been doing some asking around lately to see what people/ brands think about double, triple, quadruple rip-stops etc. Thus far I haven't been able to find any solid info confirming that the more "ripstops" in a fabric the better it is...
So far the only bit of interesting info I've heard was by word of mouth. Supposedly the guy who created the camber inducer for NP back in the day has been heard saying that these cloths with more ripstop in them are actually no stronger. I'm not 100% on why, but it was something to do with the bigger fibres in the ripstop now cutting more easily through the many smaller fibres...
I need to do more research into this but I've heard in person from a couple of kite companies that they will not be moving to triple or quadruple ever for the above reason.
I would like to see/hear more about this, if anyone has some real info with journaled sources etc. please post them up. Obviously what I've heard is just hearsay at this point, but is interesting none the less.
Another interesting thing I've come across along the way is that black ripstop far outlasts any other colour. I'd always thought black lasted and looked better for longer on my kites, but just recently I saw some hard test info proving it to be so. Fluro colours white and blue wore out the quickest. I'd always heard Blue was bad because it has to absorb the most spectrum to put out the colour we see, but fluro and white seemed to be just as bad.
