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Created by RAL INN > 9 months ago, 6 Dec 2016
RAL INN
SA, 2884 posts
9 Dec 2016 7:27AM
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Nicolas from Zeeko has posted an extensive reply to many questions also posed here, on kiteforum. I am hoping someone here has the tech savvy to copy it here please.

RAL INN
SA, 2884 posts
14 Dec 2016 4:15AM
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Waiting for live feed of Gunnar having first go.
kiteforum.com/download/file.php?id=76420&mode=view

dafish
NSW, 1637 posts
14 Dec 2016 6:53AM
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damn it....now I want one :). Still enjoying my Jim Stringfellow freeride foil strapless on a Paipo, but I would not be game to take it out in proper waves. The whole foiling escape means more time on the water, whether it is in the bay, or with a rig like this, in the surf. Do you have a ballpark figure for a complete setup (including board)?

wingman
VIC, 126 posts
14 Dec 2016 7:41AM
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RAL INN said..
Waiting for live feed of Gunnar having first go.
kiteforum.com/download/file.php?id=76420&mode=view


what's the weight ?

RAL INN
SA, 2884 posts
14 Dec 2016 9:43AM
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Boards are about $1300. Spitfire is going to be $1625 after first batch is sold but there is a special that could save hundreds till Christmas

RAL INN
SA, 2884 posts
14 Dec 2016 9:47AM
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Considering all my scraps and scratches have been from kicking rear wing when waterstarting getting out of the road is good

RAL INN
SA, 2884 posts
15 Dec 2016 7:10AM
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The first independent video of first impressions of the Spitfire.
Very long but last minute or so is worth forwarding to.
Also Gunnar has post a detailed first review on kiteforum.



KPSS Used
NSW, 385 posts
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15 Dec 2016 10:16AM
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dafish said..
damn it....now I want one :). Still enjoying my Jim Stringfellow freeride foil strapless on a Paipo, but I would not be game to take it out in proper waves. The whole foiling escape means more time on the water, whether it is in the bay, or with a rig like this, in the surf. Do you have a ballpark figure for a complete setup (including board)?


We have one spare in our shipment on its way now...

dafish
NSW, 1637 posts
16 Dec 2016 8:56AM
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Sadly it's Christmas time and spare cash is drained til mid Jan.....but I am keeping my eye on this to the near future...

PirateDunk
WA, 14 posts
16 Dec 2016 8:26AM
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coastflyer said..
As a full size pilot, I'm not surprised that this design is so maneuverable! High performance fighters have been using this canard design for a long time, with great success, and having a small front wing in front also reduces the wake turbulence generated in high G turns, over the rear main wing.








"having a small front wing in front also reduces the wake turbulence generated in high G turns, over the rear main wing"

As an Aeronautical Engineer I disagree with this statement on several levels.

The canard design is an inherently unstable design if desired to be so. So much so that the Eurofighter is basically unflyable if the flight control system dies. Depending on design, however, the canard design can also be configured to have more stable flight characteristics than a conventional tail design for some flight conditions. In some ways its actually a much more versatile airframe configuration than a tailed design.

RAL INN
SA, 2884 posts
17 Dec 2016 6:20AM
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My memories of the Bert Rutan's Veri-easy canard designed little planes were they were easy to fly.
BTW looks like there will be a merry Spitfire Christmas for a few Queenslanders, Vics Nswelshmen and west Aussies.
Have a good one guys and gals.

coastflyer
SA, 582 posts
17 Dec 2016 8:23AM
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PirateDunk, I agree with what you say regarding stability with most modern fighter aircraft. Generally, ejection from aircraft is required if the flight control system totally fails, as they are so unstable! My point was that the canard design offers greater maneuverability, and this is possibly what the designer was looking for in the waves.

Gorgo
VIC, 4982 posts
17 Dec 2016 11:19AM
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RAL INN said..
Considering all my scraps and scratches have been from kicking rear wing when waterstarting getting out of the road is good


You'll just ding the other leg instead.

Kamikuza
QLD, 6493 posts
17 Dec 2016 10:50AM
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PirateDunk said..

coastflyer said..
As a full size pilot, I'm not surprised that this design is so maneuverable! High performance fighters have been using this canard design for a long time, with great success, and having a small front wing in front also reduces the wake turbulence generated in high G turns, over the rear main wing.



"having a small front wing in front also reduces the wake turbulence generated in high G turns, over the rear main wing"

As an Aeronautical Engineer I disagree with this statement on several levels.

The canard design is an inherently unstable design if desired to be so. So much so that the Eurofighter is basically unflyable if the flight control system dies. Depending on design, however, the canard design can also be configured to have more stable flight characteristics than a conventional tail design for some flight conditions. In some ways its actually a much more versatile airframe configuration than a tailed design.


You can make any configuration unstable if that's your design goal -- wing layout isn't the sole determining factor.

The Tornado is fly-by-wire. Doesn't matter how stable it is or isn't, if that fails you're falling out of the sky ;)

Kamikuza
QLD, 6493 posts
17 Dec 2016 10:50AM
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Gorgo said..

RAL INN said..
Considering all my scraps and scratches have been from kicking rear wing when waterstarting getting out of the road is good



You'll just ding the other leg instead.


I've never dinged my shins, legs or feet on the foil. I have sliced open a finger trying to put the cover on though . . .

eppo
WA, 9505 posts
17 Dec 2016 2:41PM
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I split my head open on the mast when assembling it together for the first time. Good start hey!

RAL INN
SA, 2884 posts
18 Dec 2016 8:18AM
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eppo said..
I split my head open on the mast when assembling it together for the first time. Good start hey!


That's a first.

eppo
WA, 9505 posts
18 Dec 2016 6:51AM
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Dropped a bolt, bent over, whack. What a doosh. Happy gilmour putting together his happy foil. And on the water I was definetly the water boy staying with the Adam Sandler theme

RAL INN
SA, 2884 posts
18 Dec 2016 9:52AM
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You better send the script to happy Gilmore



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