The sort list at the moment is:
Delta, Colin Earle and Katana.
Came up with these 3 from a quick search through the archives here but I am definitely open to more.
Looking for people's experiences with the WA shaper's because honestly I can't decide. I'm sure there are pros and cons to all of them, not even pros and cons but different aspects of their shaping/construction that will suit different rider's styles.
I'm 85 kg and 6 foot
Kiting for about 1.5 years and surfed my whole life.
Looking for a board to do the down the line thing with as little input from the kite as possible to be ridden strapless most of the time (which I am only just getting into) but have inserts so when it gets big I can put the safety blankets back on.
Wave size: waist/chest high up to head and a half.
So who should I go to and WHY? Which shapers kite themselves? Who's got a construction that is in the middle of being strong but still retains flex and doesn't feel like your surfing a bit of plastic? Who's reasonably priced?
Also open to suggestions on shape from the tech heads on here. Tail shape, rocker, fin set up ect
Thanks in advance.
Warner is shaping some custom boards on the East coast, saw a fellow kiter on the TNT model with extra glass etc. He was v happy with it.
Dont know who to recommend on the west coast, but I'm subscribing to your thread because I'm interested in a similar board...
Good thread!
If you want compsand:
- Stone in Gero. Been shaping windsurf and kitesurf for years. Lots of different construction materials. Discuss for your requirements. Plenty of down the line waves up that way. Not sure about flex etc.
- Delta in Margs. Same as above.
- Katana in Ozy Pk. While I haven't spoken to the above two, I have recently discussed boards with Katana and I am working through getting an order together. Shapes great surfboards. Done some kiteboards but not as much as the above two? Working on some kiteboard designs currently. As a surfer Dave's primary concern is the flex/durability profile for a surfboard so he understands that.
If you want PU, many local board shapers can cater for. CE, Lewy, SDR... All great shapers.
Another shaper to add to the ones mentioned is Grubb down in Margs, all the shapers mentioned are well known shapers who shape great boards, I been riding Grubbs boards as of the start of last summer and been pretty stoked with them they seem to go pretty good for me. They stand up to the hammering from kiting and me (I always seem to knock boards around). Honestly mine have got a few heel dents but nothing major considering the abuse they get. The boards still have the surfboard feel due to similar construction, I think a more dense PU foam is used in the blank and the glass job seem to be very strong. Another plus if ya do damage them easy to fix yourself as its polyester resin instead of epoxy. I have a 6???0??? for the bigger days and 5???4??? for smaller mushy waves like down Augusta which I think this board would probably work well up around the Metro area.
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Oh oh oh, I was waiting for someone to ask a question like this so I cold shout out how good mark stone in gero is. Was so impressed with my first custom that I wanted to shout it out..I wasn't exactly sure just what I wanted but after a few conversations I ended up with the perfect board...I will never buy anything but a custom and can't speak highly enough of Stone as a shaper.
I like your short list, Spark
I think it depends a lot on what type of waves your riding or want to ride, you say 1-3 m
Marty - Delta has the knowledge for Margies waves, he is a good guy and will work with you to custom design
Others Locally, either Col or Dave (not sure, Dave could be out of action for a while ??? injury) both know their boards - after all, you want a board that primarily works on the wave, forget all the gimmicks. These guys also know the mix of materials and glass that can be used for strength but at the same time the balance between weight and performance.
I personally ride Col's boards but I'm keen to have a crack on one of Dave's, as I think he's putting some more focus into kiting (himself too)
Im about 80kg and ride 6ft 18.5, 3 fins (not sold on quad) like the slide of the round sq tail (3 fin) but now really enjoying the flow and bite of the rd pin
All the best
Col, Col, Col... He's shaped boards for me and a few mates. My hybrid has been hammered. Kiting and old-school lying down paddling (can't believe people still do that shizz).... None of us has ever had a problem... That hybrid goes like no other board I've ever ridden. Nuff said ('specially if you're in Perth).
+1 or Dave at Katana
Pic of a 5'6" board he made for me last year, great board good flex and strong as
Pic of a 5'6" board he made for me last year, great board good flex and strong as
What are the other dimensions Swinging?
I have a 6???0??? for the bigger days and 5???4??? for smaller mushy waves like down Augusta which I think this board would probably work well up around the Metro area.
CMC please post other dimensions. Cheers!
I have about 5 delta boards which are still in frequent use, 2 for kiting and the rest for surfing.
I would suggest that Marty at delta will have the perfect answer for you espec if you have a surfing back ground.
I was down at his shop on the weekend and saw some amazing work, while there are some great shapers around I have found his kite board design and performance excellent.
Glassing for speed or heavy duty fast down the line pumping waves in large swell conditions, he can do it very sucessfully for any want!
I reckon its more about what, then who...
What sort of foam, resin, glass layup, fin system... Etc.
If you sort that out and base it off a performance shortboard which has a suitable shape to kiting, you should have a great board.
Any shaper worth anything should then be able to shape you a 'kite surfboard'.
Good job on going custom though, your already miles ahead of the people that walk into a kite should and leave with a heavy kite branded plank of lifeless foam.
Good luck.
Although Colin doesn't kite, he does surf and makes boards for other kiters. He understands the principal of altering a good surf design for kiting(flatter rocker) and they ride really well. Just insist on using epoxy with the glass job as polyester is a waste of time :-P
My vote is with Mark Stone from Gero too.
I've had 3 paddle surfboards from him shaped up in the last 18months and all are going strong and are great shapes.
Just like Marty from delta, Mark has a strong construction knowedge from windsurfing, you cant go wrong.
Mark is often able to organise delivery from Gero to Perth through the bush telegraph too.
Ag
I reckon its more about what, then who...
What sort of foam, resin, glass layup, fin system... Etc.
If you sort that out and base it off a performance shortboard which has a suitable shape to kiting, you should have a great board.
Any shaper worth anything should then be able to shape you a 'kite surfboard'.
Good job on going custom though, your already miles ahead of the people that walk into a kite should and leave with a heavy kite branded plank of lifeless foam.
Good luck.
agreed SB I know the guy who made this post (and helped him out in the early days of learning) and watched him have no end of problems with production boards. Plus he can actually kite now, so worth him getting a good board. He's got enough custom Surfboards already for surfing...so why not for kiting...hey sparky!
+1 for custom board. Would love to hear some feedback. I am also looking at something custom for summer. Been talking with dave at katana and he seems to know his s**t. Iv had nothing but bad luck with kite pop outs. I understand surfboards break and breaking a 700 custom is a hell of a lot better then snapping a $1200 popout kiteboard haha
Bene313,
Yep the little board 5'4"x 20 x 2 1/2 and the 6'0" x 18ish x 2 1/4. Sorry can't remember the 6'0 width and unable to check at the moment.
+1 for STONE
I have 2 boards made by Mark and both have been jumped and landed on the biggest waves around here.
neither show any signs of damage and before them I managed to break 3 off the shelf wave kiteboards.
Just show him what you like to ride and he can build it to last.
Wont buy anything other than custom , it lasts longer, and Mark is so easy to deal with.
What, did you take the foot straps off for the photo Sorry couldn't help myself.
Nice looking board.
Although Colin doesn't kite, he does surf and makes boards for other kiters. He understands the principal of altering a good surf design for kiting(flatter rocker) and they ride really well. Just insist on using epoxy with the glass job as polyester is a waste of time :-P
"Just insist on using epoxy with the glass job as polyester is a waste of time"
dont agree
pu is just as good if you get the glassing right - mine (CEs) are 6 oz bottom and 2 x 4 oz deck with feet patches, I think extra work is done squeeging out excess resin, cost less too and epoxies still break
This is Marty’s latest design for a Perth "metro" board. It is 5'-11" x 18-1/4" x 2-1/8" and features a single concave through the centre feeding into an accelerating V with double concaves out the tail giving it maximum rail to rail transition. Coupled with an optional fin set up of thruster or quad, it overs maximum versatility for trips up north and down south while being super loose as a thruster for metro conditions. The beauty of getting a custom is all the parameters of width, length, tail shape, strapped (neutral/angled) or strapless etc. are fully customisable.
It’s wider than my current Delta AMP, has increased tail area, a redesigned bottom and it’s a 5 fin so it can be ridden as quad when its a bit bigger or when some drive is required or as a thruster in smaller waves for tighter arcs.
All up it should turn on a dime and will suit the metro kiter as it will have more range up and down wave size and wind strength.
Now just waiting on Marty to send up the demo board.
if you want a custom kite surf board - see colin earle. no weird ****, just really good surfboards and kite surfboards. track down glen moora at brighton and have a chat. he rides them and rips surfing and kite surfing
A lot of these boards posted here look like strapped towed by kite sort of boards. if that's your style then fine, but reading your first post seems you want something more like a surfboard that rides like a surfboard and the kite drifts.
Me, i think Delta designs are more for down south waves, but could be adaptable. THe 5"11 pictured looks good, but an accelerating rear, interesting. My thoughts are generally with a kite you are going fast and dont want to go faster, more control and slow it down, be able to stomp the thing. That being said i am not pro and still learning about shape design.
Glass, well if you arent jumping like a crazy Will -de-beast (you know who he is) then id go standard poly glassing. then you really feel the board, not like those stiff terrible epoxies. COming from windsurfing yeh they get going better and are faster but feel dead. Just tried a super light blank the pro's use for surfing. feel is unbelievable, but dont recon it would last long for kiting. But if makes you realise the difference. Just gotta make the compromise.
Ill throw "VON" up in the list if you want a board for local and/or bigger waves. Ryan Von Dresselt has been shaping for a long time, learning from some champ shapers and shaping for some big names along with local rippers. Performance short boards are his thing and he is shaping like a champ at the mo, is right in the zen. I have one board from him, currently trying some of his new designs in prep for getting my next shaped.
My current board is sweet, i love it. 5"9 but a bit of width and nice fat tail, feels sweet for 14-20 knots, but too much volume for above that or bigger gruntier waves. Next board will be more for this, less volume, bit more radical.
He has enthusiasm, he has knowledge and he has character. 3 prerequisites for a good shaper.
THat being said i dont think you could go wrong with COlin, Katana or Marty but you asked for details.
A lot of these boards posted here look like strapped towed by kite sort of boards. if that's your style then fine, but reading your first post seems you want something more like a surfboard that rides like a surfboard and the kite drifts.
Me, i think Delta designs are more for down south waves, but could be adaptable. THe 5"11 pictured looks good, but an accelerating rear, interesting. My thoughts are generally with a kite you are going fast and dont want to go faster, more control and slow it down, be able to stomp the thing. That being said i am not pro and still learning about shape design.
Glass, well if you arent jumping like a crazy Will -de-beast (you know who he is) then id go standard poly glassing. then you really feel the board, not like those stiff terrible epoxies. COming from windsurfing yeh they get going better and are faster but feel dead. Just tried a super light blank the pro's use for surfing. feel is unbelievable, but dont recon it would last long for kiting. But if makes you realise the difference. Just gotta make the compromise.
Ill throw "VON" up in the list if you want a board for local and/or bigger waves. Ryan Von Dresselt has been shaping for a long time, learning from some champ shapers and shaping for some big names along with local rippers. Performance short boards are his thing and he is shaping like a champ at the mo, is right in the zen. I have one board from him, currently trying some of his new designs in prep for getting my next shaped.
My current board is sweet, i love it. 5"9 but a bit of width and nice fat tail, feels sweet for 14-20 knots, but too much volume for above that or bigger gruntier waves. Next board will be more for this, less volume, bit more radical.
He has enthusiasm, he has knowledge and he has character. 3 prerequisites for a good shaper.
THat being said i dont think you could go wrong with COlin, Katana or Marty but you asked for details.
I have been in contact with Marty since putting the post up. Basically I'm waiting for him to shape a scaled up board of the one Slack posted pictures of. He mentioned somewhere along the lines of 6 x 18 3/4 x 2 3/8. Sounds exactly like what I'm looking for, but we will see. Demo Demo Demo.
As for the "accelerating rear".... I asked Marty specifically about the tail and he said It will perform like a swallow, He put a bat tail on it as the tail is quite wide and a lot of surface area would be taken out with a swallow.
Pretty excited to get a demo as I don't know a whole lot about board design but know what I like once I have ridden it.
Really enjoyed this thread so far, Thanks everyone for your input.
Spark, You are correct, at this very moment Marty is working up a 6' 1" x 18 3/4" x 2 1/4" and I expect to get that and the 5’11” for demoing by end of next week. Cheers Slack
Marty is working up a 6' 1" x 18 3/4" x 2 1/4"
Arrival of the Board in Perth monday evening