The Fireball connection has achieved only one thing.
It has dispensed with the need for a conventional donkey dick.
Select to expand quotewaveslave said..
The Fireball connection has achieved only one thing.
It has dispensed with the need for a conventional donkey dick.
True it has done away with the security pin, but it has also moved the connection to the rider much closer. Because the hook is very short and close to the body of the rider the leverage on the hook is also greatly reduced. I checked this out personally, watched other flying the kite and then had a go myself, there is almost no tendency for the bar to twist upwards as it does with a conventional windsurfing style hook.
The connection is locked, there can be no accidental unhooking.
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Is the ball on that lollipop made of plastic ? ^^^
I'm thinking yes.
Under load, the plastic ball will be bearing hard up against a stainless steel hook while making countless mini-movements.
That connection will eventually break down like a lollipop in a kid's mouth.
lol.
You have not seen the design or the product, you only have a 2 dimensional pic in a german language catalogue and somehow you can detect and predict stuff that the Cabrinha design team, over more than 2 years have overlooked, you truly are an amazing, design engineer?
The patented autolock cup thingy is non binding, not under load and does not move once set in place by the user, but is easy to de-activate with one hand, it has been tested rigorously and it does not accidentally fail or wear.
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The patented autolock cup thingy is non binding, not under load and does not move once set in place by the user, but is easy to de-activate with one hand, it has been tested rigorously and it does not accidentally fail or wear.
lol.
I wasn't talking about the ballsack. ^^^
That's just a locator that doesn't move and prevents the ball from dropping.
I was referring to the lollipop.
You didn't answer my question.
Is it made of plastic ?
I'd say it'd be a high density nylon
Not a bad idea that'll be used by ther brands and be even more refined in the next season or so, is it worth getting rid of your current set up? Nah
But if it comes with your new kites it's cost you no more
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But if it comes with your new kites it's cost you no more
Well it will cost you extra.
You will be up for a new harness with compatible spreader bar.
I mean, this is the whole point of the exercise ...to sell you a brand specific harness.
lol.
Select to expand quoteTerryMcTool said..waveslave said..
The Fireball connection has achieved only one thing.
It has dispensed with the need for a conventional donkey dick.
True it has done away with the security pin
Security pin. lol. *P.C. alert
That must be Cabrinha language for donkey dick.
I've heard of donkey dicks being referred to as chicken fingers or chicken dicks ...
but never as security pins.
Isn't a security pin the number that you punch in at the cash machine ?
The kite is plastic, the lines are plastic, most of the bar is plastic, the ball is plastic, security pins and donkey dicks are plastic, your brain is plastic we are good to go.
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the ball is plastic
Yep, a hollow plastic ball rubbing against a hard stainless steel hook.
I wonder which piece will wear away first ?
lol.
there is a demo vid on FB on the fireball connection but i cant find the link to post
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The new Cab fireball is the first dedicated kite to rider connection and I think its pretty slick and well tested. It does not "hinge" where you think it does, that slot is just the release mechanism.
BRM CCS bar has been around for a while.
Some more info on the North Clicker Bar - been under development for a few years so guessing it may have changed
patents.google.com/patent/US8573540
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The kite is plastic, the lines are plastic, most of the bar is plastic, the ball is plastic, security pins and donkey dicks are plastic, your brain is plastic we are good to go.
Your dick is plastic.
lol.
It looks like **** ! How do you unhook ?
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Select to expand quotewaveslave said..TerryMcTool said..
The kite is plastic, the lines are plastic, most of the bar is plastic, the ball is plastic, security pins and donkey dicks are plastic, your brain is plastic we are good to go.
Your dick is plastic.
lol.
Why end 9 out of 10 posts that aren't funny with a lol?
have you tested the fireball?
or are you just bashing it for fun?
You could make the ball out of Teflon - and it will still create a flat spot against metal, in your favourite direction...
Anyone with half a brain knows that 
And exactly how far out do your Cab research scientists, think different brand hooks stick out ???
My hook is a little shorter than your Cab rocket scientists one - made by Italian scientists for the past 6-7 years - duh 
Also Ive custom made my own 4mm dyneema shortened chicken loop with clear tubing over it to hold shape, so i can see any wear that may occur on the inside.
Have had 2 loops break - youd be amazed how stiched to death the line on the inside of them are...
Cost $10 for parts.. no scientific accreditation applicable.
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are you just bashing it for fun?
Fun ?
This is no laughing matter, dude.
The Kite Co.s are planning on charging you $1000 for a bar.
That's right, I said 1K for a bar.
lol.
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The new Cab fireball is the first dedicated kite to rider connection and I think its pretty slick and well tested. It does not "hinge" where you think it does, that slot is just the release mechanism.
The fireball retainer does not wear as it does not move at all, it 100% holds the fireball in place, thats its only function, nice design, easier to hot swap on the beach between 2 kiters than a chicken loop and donkey dick (provided they have the cab spreader bar - which will fit any harness) The spreader bar and specially designed hook face upwards, and lines are very unlikely to be able to get strapped in it due to the shape.
Why hasn't anyone realised we are using a hook designed for windsurfing, and the chicken loop is also a throwback to the windsurf mainline we all used to use on 2 line inflatable kites.
Hooks have caused a lot of incidents, lines get tangled in them, they smash up our surfboards, etc. Chicken loops fall off the hook, and the kiter can lose control easily and this incident alone has caused thousands of accidents.
You can still unhook with the fireball, we had Keahi at the dealer conference and he said it was easy, but even the top strapless kite surfboard riders don't always unhook now, and many don't unhook at all anymore.
Cab have come up with something designed for kiting, it covers the needs of the vast majority of kiters, for those that it doesn't work for - they can use a conventional chicken loop still. The Fireball prongo comes in 3 different lengths to accomodate all sizes of rider.
The bar will work on any 4 line kite that has single front line flagging, all you need is the cab spreader bar on your existing harness.
I have changed to a hook free setup after being inspired by the " don't show us your hook" thread you started last year. I now connect through 2 stainless rings straight to my spreader bar. I never had any problems with accidentally releasing from the hook but I just wanted to bring the bar in closer to make up for the added reach of the rope slider i use.
I think the fireball is definitely a step in the right direction. It's great to see a brand bring something really different. It also addresses the issue of all the wasted space taken up by most chicken loop setups. Why have so much CL if your not unhooking, it would be much better to have all that extra bar throw and depower on hand.
I personally would like to see more ultra simple clean bars like the Brm bar . A compact qr for direct connection and extended bar throw, basically the Brm bar but with trim and swivel.
It seems like North and cabrinha are over complicating things and in some cases fixing things that don't need to be fixed.
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It seems like North and cabrinha are over complicating things and in some cases fixing things that don't need to be fixed.
Select to expand quoteJacobMatan said..TerryMcTool said...
The new Cab fireball is the first dedicated kite to rider connection and I think its pretty slick and well tested. It does not "hinge" where you think it does, that slot is just the release mechanism.
The fireball retainer does not wear as it does not move at all, it 100% holds the fireball in place, thats its only function, nice design, easier to hot swap on the beach between 2 kiters than a chicken loop and donkey dick (provided they have the cab spreader bar - which will fit any harness) The spreader bar and specially designed hook face upwards, and lines are very unlikely to be able to get strapped in it due to the shape.
Why hasn't anyone realised we are using a hook designed for windsurfing, and the chicken loop is also a throwback to the windsurf mainline we all used to use on 2 line inflatable kites.
Hooks have caused a lot of incidents, lines get tangled in them, they smash up our surfboards, etc. Chicken loops fall off the hook, and the kiter can lose control easily and this incident alone has caused thousands of accidents.
You can still unhook with the fireball, we had Keahi at the dealer conference and he said it was easy, but even the top strapless kite surfboard riders don't always unhook now, and many don't unhook at all anymore.
Cab have come up with something designed for kiting, it covers the needs of the vast majority of kiters, for those that it doesn't work for - they can use a conventional chicken loop still. The Fireball prongo comes in 3 different lengths to accomodate all sizes of rider.
The bar will work on any 4 line kite that has single front line flagging, all you need is the cab spreader bar on your existing harness.
I have changed to a hook free setup after being inspired by the " don't show us your hook" thread you started last year. I now connect through 2 stainless rings straight to my spreader bar. I never had any problems with accidentally releasing from the hook but I just wanted to bring the bar in closer to make up for the added reach of the rope slider i use.
I think the fireball is definitely a step in the right direction. It's great to see a brand bring something really different. It also addresses the issue of all the wasted space taken up by most chicken loop setups. Why have so much CL if your not unhooking, it would be much better to have all that extra bar throw and depower on hand.
I personally would like to see more ultra simple clean bars like the Brm bar . A compact qr for direct connection and extended bar throw, basically the Brm bar but with trim and swivel.
It seems like North and cabrinha are over complicating things and in some cases fixing things that don't need to be fixed.
I fitted on of the Cab spreader bars to my RE harness, it can fit, and then flew a new fireball kite on the beach, but personally I'm sticking with the ring on a rope setup for now. I'd like to see a dedicated release with no C-Loop for us that never unhook.
Keahi was at the dealer meet and he was very convincing that you can unhook with the fireball setup, and says he has been doing it, and that it just took him a few times to get used to it. He was referring to riding waves unhooked though, not freestyle. I think freestyle riders will stick with a C-Loop for now its really just what works for that style.
I've also had a good look at the North bar, I think its a nice bit of kite, and I'd definitely like to get one, but the price is up there and will be out of a lot of peoples budgets for sure.
No brand is forcing customers to adopt these new offerings though, North and Cab both offer their existing bars, and they are both well designed and widely used.
