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Single line flagging swivel that works?

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Created by noodelsrominov > 9 months ago, 27 Jul 2015
kernal
WA, 541 posts
31 Jul 2015 12:11PM
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SaveTheWhales said..
Kam...

There's 2 simple ways to explain this for those with little experience in the variety of 'brand' swivels...

1. How many years have the experienced kiters world wide been asking for a bar that's got this this and this... Quite simple and even gave design tips and pics !!
All we got was 1 out of 5... Ever heard of people asking for soft bar ends ??
Which top brands have them.. How many years did it take..


who wants to pay all those bloody patents mate?

Kajo
NSW, 333 posts
31 Jul 2015 3:46PM
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The BWS bar works very well in terms of swivel. I can recommend it. The BWS Noise is single line flagging.

Kamikuza
QLD, 6493 posts
31 Jul 2015 4:06PM
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SaveTheWhales said..
Kam...

There's 2 simple ways to explain this for those with little experience in the variety of 'brand' swivels...

1. How many years have the experienced kiters world wide been asking for a bar that's got this this and this... Quite simple and even gave design tips and pics !!
All we got was 1 out of 5... Ever heard of people asking for soft bar ends ??
Which top brands have them.. How many years did it take..

So you can see it's not "Rocket" science and there definately not that skilled or we would have bars with everything that makes it perfect - including a swivel that does 'Not' stop working, which instantly makes a below bar swivel 'Obsolete'
Mutany have got the Swivel right (3+ yrs still smooth on mine) but not some other parts... get the drift..

2. You pay between 3-700$ for a new bar, yes top dollar for something that's around factory 50$ !

In comparison why would you buy a new car with a "Hand" crank. Everyone knows the auto cranking starter motors exist - but they can still milk, the ignorant..
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As for the width of the body, we are talking a 1cm difference, not much - but a proven 3+ years twist free difference


Sealed bearings - ever heard of general maintenance of your kit that could save your life ?

If not, then i guess you never clean the sand out of your below bar swivel or chicken loop either


Not sure I follow you totally...

1. You're dealing with things like patents, brand recognition, and paying off the set up costs of the components. There may be a better way to do things, but jumping ship may not be in the best interests of the company.

2. As above, the cost of components that are ordered in bulk, no doubt, needs to be defrayed by selling them. Secondary costs like R&D, advertising. And probably the biggest - injection molded parts; cents per unit but tens of thousands for the mold.

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Well, you can still buy twin tub manual washing machines... you might be right. Luddites everywhere...

My thought was of the widths of the arms. I guess if the body increased in width to compensate, it'd be no more inclined to catch lines but over-all bulk and weight increases bother seem people cf. below the bar depower, "it's just cleaner brah."

You don't like sealed bearings? You prefer to oil stuff?

I check swivel is free when I lay out my lines, pulleys are free (every now and then) when I attach lines, QR freely operates when I hook in to launch. I even check the QR on my leash...

Gonna be interesting to see how 3D printing will change the game.

SaveTheWhales
WA, 1874 posts
31 Jul 2015 5:24PM
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Noodlesrominov

Here a few pics I posted on 'Kiteforum' awhile back of the Mutiny swivel of - very simple conversion and works a treat...





Another thing that can cause swivels to stop work - is if one of your front lines has stretched too much...
Check the swivel is sitting square, under tension. No kite bearing will work on an angle.
Line stretch happens - check as part of your general kit maintenance

Kam - yes just wider arms... Rocket science

EastCC
QLD, 354 posts
31 Jul 2015 10:37PM
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Whales - Stonker for the swivel - $85. I tried for ages to get hold of a Mutiny but they never came into stock, the Wainmen appears to be the goods though.

noodelsrominov
VIC, 265 posts
31 Jul 2015 11:34PM
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SaveTheWhales said...
Noodlesrominov

Here a few pics I posted on 'Kiteforum' awhile back of the Mutiny swivel of - very simple conversion and works a treat...





Another thing that can cause swivels to stop work - is if one of your front lines has stretched too much...
Check the swivel is sitting square, under tension. No kite bearing will work on an angle.
Line stretch happens - check as part of your general kit maintenance

Kam - yes just wider arms... Rocket science


Nice mod, looks pretty simple and effective.

Kamikuza
QLD, 6493 posts
1 Aug 2015 12:22AM
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Think about the load path on just wider arms...

Good mod. I've always wondered - has anyone ever pulled the larks head through a stopper ball or the hole of the swivel?

SaveTheWhales
WA, 1874 posts
1 Aug 2015 9:59AM
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Load on wider arms is not a problem - Mutiny got that right the first time along with a quality wider tapered bearing.

Naish and slinshot and others have minimised body materials (thats great) but funked up on width and cheapskate bearings - that your paying 3-700 dollars for...

Its a shame - They companies change kites and bars every year, I guess it makes them too poor to afford common sense huh


Kookaburra

The Ignorant who can be milked, pay for the Patents and deserve better quality with that 300 -700$ bar cost



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