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The mathematics of kiting...

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Created by shi thouse > 9 months ago, 16 Jun 2014
shi thouse
WA, 1141 posts
16 Jun 2014 1:11PM
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Greggor
QLD, 191 posts
16 Jun 2014 3:18PM
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The sport is getting more popular, first on a cereal box and now on a maths textbook!!! We must all be cool

Loftywinds
QLD, 2060 posts
16 Jun 2014 3:26PM
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This is a good calculator. Oh and look, it's for kite surfers! :)

http://www.riggeek.com/gear-calculator/for-kitesurfers

And this excellent Excel version ...

jimbodouglass.blogspot.com.au/2011/01/interactive-kiteboarding-calculator.html

SUPSurferQLD
QLD, 317 posts
16 Jun 2014 5:37PM
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Gives you another reminder of what you'd rather be doing when you start your maths session...

cauncy
WA, 8407 posts
16 Jun 2014 5:28PM
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Wife 3 kids=less kiting
No wife, no kids, = kiting
Simple maths

fingerbone
NSW, 921 posts
16 Jun 2014 8:19PM
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I wonder what will be on the cover when you get to yr 10 ???

Mark _australia
WA, 22420 posts
16 Jun 2014 9:09PM
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^^^ basics of windsurfing?

Where vectors are actually relevant, cos it is a bit harder.



(but serious question, are vectors ........ ie: apparent wind direction ............. actually applicable? Yachting, windsurfing yes, but kiting?)

Chris6791
WA, 3271 posts
17 Jun 2014 2:42AM
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^^^ I'm trying to think way back to high school but yes vectors are applicable to kiting if you want to break it down that far. Don't ask me to try and explain it though. Unless we've both had several Turkey cans beforehand

eppo
WA, 9505 posts
17 Jun 2014 7:45AM
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Depends on whether your a cabrinha rider or not

brady
TAS, 451 posts
17 Jun 2014 10:09AM
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Mark _australia said...
^^^ basics of windsurfing?

Where vectors are actually relevant, cos it is a bit harder.



(but serious question, are vectors ........ ie: apparent wind direction ............. actually applicable? Yachting, windsurfing yes, but kiting?)




even more-so. We can get out in lighter winds, where apparent wind varies more with changes in rider's speed.

We sine the kite to generate power - increasing the complexity of the vectors even more.

Even worse, our vectors have an extra dimension added to them - kiters just learning to jump don't send the kite back when trying to land. As the apparent wind stops rapidly when you hit the water, the kite suddenly finds itself dropping out of the sky. Again, as a mathemetician might predict, this effect is more apparent in lighter wind where the apparent wind is a greater proportion of the whole.

So yes, very relevant.

Mark _australia
WA, 22420 posts
17 Jun 2014 8:27AM
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^^ there ya go. I didn't know you guys considered apparent wind.
BTW sining is the same effect as us pumping but does sound more matchematicalified

NoBS
WA, 908 posts
17 Jun 2014 9:04AM
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cauncy said...
Wife 3 kids=less kiting
No wife, no kids, = kiting
Simple maths




LIFE IS ALL ABOUT CHOICES!!!

My idea on simple maths would be.

1 wife
divide by 90%
subtract 2 kids
Add 3 Kites
Multiply by 4 days a week kiting
Do some square rooting in there also.

= no more complaints.

THE DONG
VIC, 518 posts
17 Jun 2014 12:15PM
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wtf?... wonder hiw many people buy that thinking its a kitemag.... personally i should buy it as ive forgotten everything i learnt at school

brady
TAS, 451 posts
17 Jun 2014 12:33PM
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Mark _australia said...
^^ there ya go. I didn't know you guys considered apparent wind.
BTW sining is the same effect as us pumping but does sound more matchematicalified



End effect is similar but mechanics are very different. By sineing the kite we are getting it moving faster through the wind than we are, increasing its apparent wind even further to increase the power. It also has the effect if keeping the kite further back in the wind window too

We can also pump - pulling and releasing the bar pulls and releases the back lines. Actual effect is pretty pointless though. In marginal winds trying to get onto a wave that you are just a little late for it may get you onto it. Only a small effect, nowhere near as much as pumping for windsurfers.

rhinoman
QLD, 362 posts
17 Jun 2014 1:41PM
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cauncy said...
Wife 3 kids=less kiting
No wife, no kids, = kiting
Simple maths


That's why you get kids into sport .tell wife it's time to take kids out kiting .works for me

Chris6791
WA, 3271 posts
17 Jun 2014 11:47AM
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THE DONG said...
wtf?... wonder hiw many people buy that thinking its a kitemag.... personally i should buy it as ive forgotten everything i learnt at school


Probably more informative than most kite mags and certainly better value.

VB MAN
1156 posts
17 Jun 2014 12:15PM
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Mark _australia said...
^^ there ya go. I didn't know you guys considered apparent wind.
BTW sining is the same effect as us pumping but does sound more matchematicalified




Sineing a kite is quite a graceful movement

Watching a polerider pump his gear, I find quite disturbing.

It looks as though you absolutely hate life, and are kn pussed off with the coin you've wasted over the years. ( Oh, I should
have rigged up the 5'7 or maybe the '5'9 or maybe the 6'1 (( oh, that'd be a bit hardcore )) and wtf am I doing on a 5'5 in these conditions ?).

Whereas us Baggers can just boost and land on any wave face we choose

Have a nice day

Veebs

JimJones
QLD, 237 posts
20 Jun 2014 11:00PM
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My daughter has that very book as her maths text this year..... yeah..... so I'm old.....

Mark _australia
WA, 22420 posts
20 Jun 2014 10:14PM
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VB MAN said...

Mark _australia said...
^^ there ya go. I didn't know you guys considered apparent wind.
BTW sining is the same effect as us pumping but does sound more matchematicalified





Sineing a kite is quite a graceful movement

Watching a polerider pump his gear, I find quite disturbing.




Compared to the face drag when overpowered?
Compared to the ungraceful swim after a little crash, looking like a bloke wrestling a greasy air mattress on the water, then having to pack up and go home to sort thru a spaghetti mess of lines - whilst the windsurfers are still out?
Compared to Laurie having to warn you all there is tewwibly wuff weather coming?

Graceful. Schweet.


dafunk
QLD, 559 posts
21 Jun 2014 12:22AM
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I thought they just used computers now days ?

VB MAN
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20 Jun 2014 10:30PM
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Mark _australia said...




VB MAN said...




Mark _australia said...
^^ there ya go. I didn't know you guys considered apparent wind.
BTW sining is the same effect as us pumping but does sound more matchematicalified








Sineing a kite is quite a graceful movement

Watching a polerider pump his gear, I find quite disturbing.






Compared to the face drag when overpowered?
Compared to the ungraceful swim after a little crash, looking like a bloke wrestling a greasy air mattress on the water, then having to pack up and go home to sort thru a spaghetti mess of lines - whilst the windsurfers are still out?
Compared to Laurie having to warn you all there is tewwibly wuff weather coming?

Graceful. Schweet.






Oh hey Mark, lovely to hear from you again in the kitesurfing section.

Here's a little foto that I just snatched from another post

If you have a look on the left I'm sure you'll see what poleriders do best.

Maybe he/she should have pumped a bit harder, huh ?

Luv ya

Veebs

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
21 Jun 2014 3:13AM
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lol VB MAN, but he is just trolling for a reaction, dont feed the old trolls or they just get fatter and stronger.
Trust me, Im heaps fat and strong as.

sir ROWDY
WA, 5353 posts
21 Jun 2014 8:34AM
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Good photo...

Robbo2099
WA, 738 posts
21 Jun 2014 1:25PM
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http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/NEW-Essential-Mathematics-for-the-Australian-Curriculum-Year-9-by-David-Greenwoo-/141302804122

Holy crap! $67.19 for a grade 9 textbook!

Is that what high school textbooks cost these days?

No wonder parents with kids in school are always broke these days!



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