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Volume in a Kite Surf Board.

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Created by ActionSportsWA > 9 months ago, 8 Feb 2015
SaveTheChildren
5 posts
13 Feb 2015 4:32PM
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Love me a bit of volume!

Jonopark
WA, 399 posts
13 Feb 2015 5:14PM
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When choosing a surfboard design, foil (also known as thickness flow or thickness distribution) is deserving of close attention. This refers to the distribution of foam from the nose to the tail. Foil is the board’s thickness while looking at the board from a side view. There are three different areas of the board where foam is distributed smoothly. You will need to consider three parts: the nose, the middle, and the tail.
The thickness of the surfboard will support paddling, catching waves, and riding through slow or flat spots. Too much thickness will hinder your performance. The board’s nose, middle, and tail each affect different aspects of surfboard performance. You need to find the right balance of thickness in each of the three parts to get the right combination for your surfing style and skill level.

Nose Thickness

A thinner nose can feel more responsive to faster turning inputs. The thinner the nose, the less weight up front the surfer has to swing when turning. However, if the nose thickness is too thin, then it sinks into the face of the wave when the surfer moves forward in trim. If the board sinks too much, it will pearl or bog. Rocking too much of the nose forward into the water can also cause the board to pivot around the wide point which will release the tail area from the face of the wave. This causes the board to slide or drift and the surfer looses control.

Middle Thickness
Surfboards are typically measured in three measurements; height, width and thickness. The thickness is measured by the thickest part of the board which is typically located around the mid section. Most surfboards are between 2 1/4" - 3 1/4" thick.
The heavier you are, the thicker your surfboard should be for extra float. If your board is too thin, you sink the board making it tough to paddle and catch waves. A thicker board is also stronger and more resistant to breaking. Too much thickness can make your board feel excessively buoyant. This can be a problem if it feels resistant to being leaned on its edges. Turning and maneuverability requires leaning into the rails. The harder it is to lean into the rails, the stiffer the board will feel, ultimately having less control.

Tail Thickness
Similar to having a larger surface area, a thicker tail will improve your board’s paddling. Because the board’s back end will rise out of the water, the surfboard will plane easier, helping to maintain speeds in slow or flat spots. Although a planing board is less likely to squat, which causes tail drag, in faster hollow surf a thinner tail will bite into the wave more. This will give the surfer better hold and control.
Tail thickness is not the only characteristic to consider when it comes to speed, control, and maneuverability. These issues can be balanced with different tail shapes and fins. Click here to read more on Tail Shapes and Fins.

kluein
10 posts
14 Feb 2015 11:33AM
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Right and wrong. The main reason for surfboard foils is to distribute strength in the board to where it is needed and save weight where it's not. Other effects like a flexier tail, more floatation under the chest can be achieved too.

The main reason for pearling is not enough rocker mainly in the nose. Bogging is the opposite too much rocker mainly in the tail.

Thin tails have less hold than thick ones. You wouldn't be able to tell much from one tail to the next because of the fins. This is the tail of one the boards with the most tail/rail hold I have ridden. The concave certainly helps too.


The overall driving factor in how a board rides is its fins and their placement. Take the fins off this and it'll ride much like a skim board. Anyone that has ridden both will tell you they are nothing alike.




Its counter to the no/low volume argument, but a thicker board with the right rail shape will have better hold than any thinner one.




Perhaps that is why people cling to thicker boards. They are easier to ride.






SugarQube
WA, 490 posts
14 Feb 2015 2:09PM
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kluein said..
. The main reason for surfboard foils is to distribute strength in the board to where it is needed and save weight where it's not. Other effects like a flexier tail, more floatation under the chest can be achieved too.






but a thicker board with the right rail shape will have better hold than any thinner one.



Its more like the foil results out of more than one reason almost equally, If it was just about strenth, you could add carbon in the centre section, thickness counters flex.

Regarding the rail shape, you can add a tucked under edge to a thick rail, it will never hold as much as a thin rail.


lots of factors add up to a nice board, a few millimeters between two boards can make massive diffrance

kluein
10 posts
14 Feb 2015 2:51PM
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Great article written by Tom Wegener in 1998. You can download it from his web site http://www.tomwegenersurfboards.com/sites/default/files/plb%20suctiong%20%2B%20tension.docx. It's also posted here on Seabreeze www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Surfing/Longboarding/Noseriding-Tips/

Small quote

"Suction: First to get to the ten, the board must be sucked into the wave. Gentle curves change water flow over the board and create suction. Round rails suck water over the deck of the board. The weight of the water helps stabilize or counter balance the board so the rider can get to and stay on the nose. Also, curve through the bottom of the board will suck the board to the wave. This suction from the bottom of the board starts happening when going fast due to the long bottom curve.

To see how suction works, take a spoon and put the rounded end under the faucet. If you have never done this, you may be shocked by how much a spoon is sucked into the stream of water. The same forces make hanging ten possible."



His understanding has moved on a bit as you can see from his more recent board (the blue and white one) in the first picture....


here it is again with him in the picture





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