Hi guys,
a mate has just started kiting and brought a old cabrinha kite. i was looking at the bar and for the life of me can't work out how to attach your leash to it.
here is another pic of the dangly thing. when you have your leash attached to it it really does get in the way, and i'm sure the kite wasn't made to be like this.
if someone can give me a tip on what its meant to be like that'd be great.
The line that you have noted "dangly thing" looks like it's should be attached to the top of the safety release (or through it)
Your safety leash connects to the small fixed loop on the top of the chicken loop.
The kite should not completely seperate when engaging that safety. It should flag out. I'd reccomend taking it to a kite repair shop and they'll sort u out.
I had that bar, the dangley thing is indeed your safety. The leash is always up in your face. Fine for your first season I used it for two, but the new bars which you've probably experienced are way better. You could probably make a clever home made mod but just be careful it's not going to jam, then you have no safety!
I have the same bar system. Yeah that dinggy thing is the safety line connected directly to your quick release leash attached to your harness. But I hardly use it. Instead I connect my safety just above the chicken loop directly onto the black plastic sleeve section. That's called suicide mode because it gives you less depower. But those Cabrihna bars already have IDS built in by giving you maximum depower by releasing the bar all the way to the stopper ball. So it's relatively safe to connect in suicide mode. Besides you can release the lot from the other end of your leash in an emergency.
George,
Since you are learning, it is very important that you use the safest setup. Do NOT use the suicide method while learning. In an emergency or if you have to do a self rescue the kite will need to be flagged out which cannot be done if on the suicide mode. Check utube video below of how things can go wrong quickly.
You dickhead. Totally misread everything. The little loop on the chicken loop is the same as connecting your leash to the plastic sleeve just above the chicken loop. What? You think 2 inches matters? Besides, these old bars don't have the chicken loop hole, so yeah connecting it to the line is just as effective. Yes of course there is no safety overall, but you do add considerable distance to allow the kite to self depower, and these old bars which I have on my Cabrinha do exactly that. They have an IDS like depower of the bar in two stages, one to the stopper lock ring and if you push harder, all the way to the AOA adjustors. Connecting your leash to the top of the chicken loop adds even more depower!!
you wouldn't understand any of what I've just said, so what's the use kook?
You are a retard.
If you use the loop, you can push the quick release away and totally disconnect from the kite. That is the difference.
Listen to my advice, use what brain power you have and don't comment. You are too stupid to make sense.
Look at the first image. just below the red arrow. See the shiny little loop cast into the chicken loop. That is what I was talking about.....but you say it's not on the old bar. Retard!
Like lofty said if you buy from your local shop you get the info the inexperienced need.
Maybe even cheaper too!
but you still have not proven to me that connecting the leash to the little loop as opposed to above the chicken loop is any different. Either way in a squall or dangerous situation, of course you would release the lot from the leash behind the harness. So I still don't get why you think connecting it to that little loop is going to be any better when you're still connected to the power lines.
Without name-calling lofty, you are wrong. Connecting above as you and I used to do is a suicide mode. Pull your QR and the leash is attached the kite. Attaching on the ring means when you pull the QR you are left with the leash and chicken loop and the kite is gone.
Beginners should not connect their leash to the back of the harness either in front is a lot safer. Attaching it to the back is for handle-passing.
Peace out dude(s).
I personally would get an updated bar.
I have the 2012 cab bar ( spare ) duel line flag out ( which I think is not so safe )and the 2013 cab bar single line flag ( safe as houses but a real turd to reload even on dry land once activated ) My opinion...
I agree with Dave.
I used to use that type of bar. I found it best to have an extension line to the flagging front line (as in the picture) but with a ring on the end of it so it was within easy reach and then have a short kite leash from the metal ring of the chickenloop which clipped onto the ring on the extension line. I found its better to just use rope for the kite leash and just make it long enough so there is very slight slack in it - you don't want it slack enough to start wrapping round the bar end.
That is a crossbow bar, the switchblades had a swivel on the chicken loop assembly. The safety issue is these kites were prone to bridle wrap meaning the "IDS" that lofty describes does not work to depower when the kite is in a bridlewrap death loop. There was also testing done on how much pressure you need to release the QR when under load. Learning on this type of kite terminal provides the safest option. When at the stage of backrolls, frontrolls it is a pain in the butt.
BTW the swivel shown in the photos above the depower doesnt swivel.
I used the exact set up for 2 years
You connect the leash above the chicken loop
Safety Release and below the red ring under the bar ! The red ring stops the leash connection
Damaging your bar . There should be a red ball
With a ring above your trim strap were you have that dangly bit connecting your leash that
Will flag the kite when you QR but it means you can't spin the bar after a trick or loop . Heavy bar pressure with the 2:1 pulley setup can be changed to 1:1 for lighter bar pressure .
cheers again guys. always good to learn something new. i'm glad its not my setup, but i guess it should be good enough for a beginner.