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claimers and the facts - a short history lesson

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Created by Kitepower Australia > 9 months ago, 10 Apr 2009
10 Apr 2009 2:16PM
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I was talking with my partner about our begginings today over breakky. The people we were both able to remember easily, besides Bruno Legainoux and his bro, were Matt Colefax and Ian Young (Cory Roeseller/Kiteski).

I first started to kite on water when I was still based in Geelong and shortly afterwards started Kite Legends at the Wharf in Mooloolaba SE Qld (where I first met Matt C). All my previous kiting had been land based, in buggies or Jesus Shoes (boots with ski's glued on).
I actually first stood up on a board with Bob Dawson at the Kite Flyers Picnic at Toormina, I think Chris Brent also got up that day from memory (hazy dayz) pretty sure this was in 1998, and this would be only a year or so after Ian Young started.
Anyone else that says they were kiting in Oz for more than 11 years is full of it.

Another standout person who has quit now is Paul Crawford from Sydney, he was very inspirational. He had one of the very first Wipika kites, and rode surfboards, he actually really did pioneer the sport here in Sydney, prior to Darren Marshall and myself, although I had been trying various kites and boards for about 18 months prior to seeing Paul do his massive downwinders from Brighton to Dolls. Paul did not go upwind, Katie would just drop him off at Brighton and pick him up at Dolls a couple of hours later (where they lived).

Alex Gillan (Stonker), Dave Trewern and his mate James ????, Dale Torriero, Ben Merck, Lachlan Beed, John Messenger, Chris Richter, Lean Clemones, Jay, Cora, Sam Stenning/Rich, Duncan Place, Grant Dwyer, Marty Coffee, Paul Stockham and Sam Burns (now separated), Sean Wilkens, Tim Lewis, Terron Titus, Beck Colefax (Nicholson), Steve/E-Boards, Alex Sanz, Joe Millen, Chris Rose, Ivan Salmon, Sparrow, Goshen Watts, Peace McCormack, myself, Phil McConachie(and many Adelaide crew, Anne Marie Parry), Curly from Cairns, Rodney Harris from Warnambool, Skytes/lachlan Gifford on the Gold Coast, Trevorrow bros and Gary Lyons at Highly strung kites in Elwood the crew from the Entrance NSW, Neil Taylor/Perth, etc, etc, etc were all pioneers of power kiting and then/or kitesurfing.

None of them would or could, seriously claim that they were majorly responsible for the current popularity of the sport. The thing about kiting is that it is self promoting, every kite waving around in the air attracts people to the sport, no-one who is in their right mnd would claim to be the key instigator in Oz.

However there are a few who did truly inspire others, they would be Naish Hawaii and co, Wipika and Matt Colefax, Ian Young/Cory Roesseler/Kiteski, Jason Furness/Flexifoil, and the Peter Lynn crew (a bit later).

Cya and

Goodwinds

Mcbackintheday



wave knave
306 posts
10 Apr 2009 1:17PM
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some even earlier ''power kiters''....




MartyJ
QLD, 95 posts
10 Apr 2009 6:11PM
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"Cue" Alex Sanz for massive pecker swinging session

waveslave
WA, 4263 posts
10 Apr 2009 6:03PM
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Kitepower Australia said...

Alex Gillan (Stonker), Dave Trewern and his mate James ????, Dale Torriero, Ben Merck, Lachlan Beed, John Messenger, Chris Richter, Lean Clemones, Jay, Cora, Sam Stenning/Rich, Duncan Place, Grant Dwyer, Marty Coffee, Paul Stockham and Sam Burns (now separated), Sean Wilkens, Tim Lewis, Terron Titus, Beck Colefax (Nicholson), Steve/E-Boards, Alex Sanz, Joe Millen, Chris Rose, Ivan Salmon, Sparrow, Goshen Watts, Peace McCormack, myself, Phil McConachie(and many Adelaide crew, Anne Marie Parry), Curly from Cairns, Rodney Harris from Warnambool, Skytes/lachlan Gifford on the Gold Coast, Trevorrow bros and Gary Lyons at Highly strung kites in Elwood the crew from the Entrance NSW, Neil Taylor/Perth, etc, etc, etc were all pioneers of power kiting and then/or kitesurfing.

None of them would or could, seriously claim that they were majorly responsible for the current popularity of the sport.



Shopguy always cracks me up. ^^^
This post has to be the gayest name-dropping exercise in the history of kitesurfing forum.
I counted 956 names.
The ego-tripping never sleeps at Seabreeze.
Carry on claiming, Shopguy.

PS. I like the posts from Alex, they seem more real, there's less hype.

gruezi
WA, 3464 posts
10 Apr 2009 7:44PM
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Oh Wavey, how you can speak the truth...........who gives a flying F whom you know, it is who you are that matters........and Wavey you are a legend.

My Easter bunny melted in the heat today.

poor relative
WA, 9089 posts
10 Apr 2009 7:47PM
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I agree its not interesting.

gruezi
WA, 3464 posts
10 Apr 2009 7:49PM
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I just love you reli man...you make me laugh....amazing the stuff you can find...have a happy Easter bud.

poor relative
WA, 9089 posts
10 Apr 2009 7:52PM
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Happy Easter Gruzitski

Ioz
WA, 491 posts
10 Apr 2009 10:10PM
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Well I found it quite interesting, thanks Steve for taking the effort to give us a bit more history about this fantastic sport. - and no you don't hate Alex as he was mentioned - good to see.

11 Apr 2009 9:26AM
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Ioz said...

Well I found it quite interesting, thanks Steve for taking the effort to give us a bit more history about this fantastic sport. - and no you don't hate Alex as he was mentioned - good to see.


Thanks Ioz!
This was originally posted in the other thread where I was accused of being a hater, but I thought no, screw that, start a new thread.
There are tons of names left off the list including all of the people in other places around Oz who saw the first kites and kiters attempting to kitesurf and not get killed and thought hmm I'll have a go at that.

The thread was posted to add some reality to claims that one person was instrumental in popularising th sport, when in fact it has due to many, some who have even quit the sport now.

And the claimers above who say its not interesting are just pi$$ed they did not make the list, aren't they?
They did find something interesting, they read the thread title and then clicked, the rest is the usual negativity and sh!tstirring nothing interesting in that eh?

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McInteresting

Glennno
QLD, 124 posts
11 Apr 2009 9:40AM
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I first started to kite on water when I was still based in Geelong and shortly afterwards started Kite Legends at the Wharf in Mooloolaba SE Qld (where I first met Matt C).


Anyone else that says they were kiting in Oz for more than 11 years is full of it.

Wow so you owned kite legends at the wharf. I remember years before that a bloke called Andy owned a kite shop at the wharf right near MV Kilke River Cruises - I was 10 then so it would have been 1989. I use to annoy him hanging around his kite shop gazing in awe at all the kites hanging from the roof.

Andy use to get his biggest kite and waterskis and kite across the canals at Mooloolaba - I remember watching in awe in 1989 as he very quickly went from one side to the other (then had to get back somehow). Can't really call it kite surfing but that was the first time I saw someone getting towed along the water by a kite!

ianmac
WA, 267 posts
11 Apr 2009 8:01AM
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all good on the info section,
i was just wondering when the wind was coming back to Perth had a lame sesh at peli point yest morning could do with some 18kn + stuff BOM & SB are close at 10kn & Bom 13-18 kn
all good nearly, bummer on the melted egg Gruezi

11 Apr 2009 12:54PM
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Glennno said...

I first started to kite on water when I was still based in Geelong and shortly afterwards started Kite Legends at the Wharf in Mooloolaba SE Qld (where I first met Matt C).


Anyone else that says they were kiting in Oz for more than 11 years is full of it.

Wow so you owned kite legends at the wharf. I remember years before that a bloke called Andy owned a kite shop at the wharf right near MV Kilke River Cruises - I was 10 then so it would have been 1989. I use to annoy him hanging around his kite shop gazing in awe at all the kites hanging from the roof.

Andy use to get his biggest kite and waterskis and kite across the canals at Mooloolaba - I remember watching in awe in 1989 as he very quickly went from one side to the other (then had to get back somehow). Can't really call it kite surfing but that was the first time I saw someone getting towed along the water by a kite!


Yeah Glenno, the guy who started the shop, was Andrew ??? forgotten his last name, might be Mahoney?/Marnie?, was definitely one of the very first to kite on water with ski's in Oz, he had seen pics and early footage of Cory Roeseler/Jason Furness/Flash Austin/Legainoux bros.
This was with non water relaunchable kites, Andys first attempts were on either Flexifoil or Peter Lynn foils.
Andy eventually went bellyup at that shop, it had a different name then. Bob Dawson, and a couple of his friends were owed money, so they bought the phone number back and re-leased a shop to trade back their losses. Once they had their money back they put the shop on the market. I bought it from Bob Dawson and his friends around 1996/97.

Cya and

Goodwinds

Steve McDilligaf

Kitehard
WA, 2782 posts
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11 Apr 2009 11:52AM
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Kitepower Australia said...

Another standout person who has quit now is Paul Crawford from Sydney, he was very inspirational. He had one of the very first Wipika kites, and rode surfboards, he actually really did pioneer the sport here in Sydney, prior to Darren Marshall and myself, although I had been trying various kites and boards for about 18 months prior to seeing Paul do his massive downwinders from Brighton to Dolls.


My perspective of the golden age of kiting

Paul Crawford was the first kiter I ever saw riding in Sydney. I was out flying my Wipika 8.5 on the beach on the sand flats at Mick Moyland point and Paul cam riding down the river and stepped off his surfboard onto the beach, picked it up and came and said hello. I was amazed and quite impressed. He was riding surfboards and couldn't go upwind. I was yet to ride the board as I had only just received my new kite the day before and ewas practicing on the beach

I had already bought a Stonker 5 fin Polyester 195 directional and was the first dedicated kite board in Sydney to my knowledge. This was in December of 1999.

I bought the board thru Longreef who ordered it specifically for me from Alex at Stonker. I had the board before I had the kite as the kite had to be ordered from Matt Colefax in QLD and we were waiting for the new model Freeair rather than buy the soon to be outdated Classic. All kites then were two line, The freeair was the first to be set up for 2 or 4 line.

First guys I saw ride were in Hawaii in 99, a few of the earlist names as guys rode downwind from Sprecks to Kanaha. Then came to Mambo and saw Mini (Felix Pivec) and Maxi (forget his name) riding out the back and I think Alex Gillan. Terry Gallagher also bought a Stonker directional at Mambo that year and it was after talking to him that I thought I'd buy one which started my fascination with Kiting.

It was a different era back then, no claimers, no ego's, just a tiny band of crazies having fun with kites. Best trick in 99, riding upwind!

AKS started in Sydney in 2001 and was the first kite school in Sydney. I did lessons for Long Reef Sail and Surf, Balmoral Boards, I think even some for Kitepower if memory serves me correctly, please correct me if I'm wrong. Copped much ridicule and crap from all my poley mates back then. Laughed at for starting a school by other kiters as "No one will pay you to teach them how to kitesurf" was the call.

My old man has some very early footage of me and others kiting in 2000 I think, I look back and cringe, but it was all good in the day and was, at the time, the best riding going on. Candle stick inverts, table tops, back rolls and that was about it.

I loved the old times, Kiting was undiluted and pure as ever back then, there was only two brands of inflateble kites (Wipika and Naish) and Peter Lynn water foils (Yuk!) and one brand of boards (Stonker). I think the Arcs were about to come out around 2000/01. Most kiwi's like Kane were riding C-Quads prior to 2000.

Here's cheers to the true pioneers! It's a pity everyone didn't get to experience "kiting back in the day", because they'll never know what it was like in the beginnings when it was totally pure and it was amazing just to see another kiter. We banded together like lost souls back then and became friends immediately. The group was tight and only consisted of about 6 kiters. Myself, Paul Crawford, Paul Stockham, Sam Burns, Sean Wilkens, Duncan Place and Pete the Pilot. The original South Side crew!

Good winds,



waveslave
WA, 4263 posts
11 Apr 2009 8:12PM
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Kitehard said...

It was a different era back then, no claimers, no ego's, just a tiny band of crazies having fun with kites.

My old man has some very early footage of me and others kiting in 2000 I think, I look back and cringe, but it was all good in the day and was, at the time, the best riding going on.




No claims, no egos. ^^^
Right.
It may well be slightly premature for Shopguy and his cohort to be giving the forumers a history lesson,
a lesson about a sport that's barely 10 years old.....
still in its infancy in fact.
Maybe Shopguy and others are trying to be nostalgic.....
longing for the return of the recent past. lol
Windfreaks like Robby and Pete have claiming rights.
They have been riding waves for over 3 decades using windpower......
(decades before kites appeared on the scene),
Shopguy needs to pay his dues first.

surfingboye
NSW, 2707 posts
11 Apr 2009 11:11PM
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just a few little history questions:

1. What was your wind range back in the day, and did you have multiple kites???

2. Where does Alex Sanz come into this, i thought he was the pioneer???

greenleader
QLD, 5283 posts
12 Apr 2009 1:03AM
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12 Apr 2009 9:57AM
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surfingboye said...

just a few little history questions:

1. What was your wind range back in the day, and did you have multiple kites???

2. Where does Alex Sanz come into this, i thought he was the pioneer???


I'm still waiting for your third question??

MCCounting

surfingboye
NSW, 2707 posts
12 Apr 2009 10:24AM
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sorry, McCounting. I dont have a third...

lotofwind
NSW, 6451 posts
12 Apr 2009 10:52AM
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I have a third question.

3) WHO GIVES A FU#K

12 Apr 2009 12:43PM
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waveslave said...

No claims, no egos. ^^^
Right.
It may well be slightly premature for Shopguy and his cohort to be giving the forumers a history lesson,
a lesson about a sport that's barely 10 years old.....
still in its infancy in fact.
Maybe Shopguy and others are trying to be nostalgic.....
longing for the return of the recent past. lol
Windfreaks like Robby and Pete have claiming rights.
They have been riding waves for over 3 decades using windpower......
(decades before kites appeared on the scene),
Shopguy needs to pay his dues first.




Senility is catching up with waveguy, the topic is actually about the history, albeit short, of kitesurfing in Oz.
Pete and Wobby were poledancers that saw light and saved some of their sanity.
I don't need to pay any dues to poledancers, especially ex poleys like you.
100% pure kiteguy since 1991, getoverit and yourself, LOL's

Cya and

Goodwinds

McKiteguy

Kitehard
WA, 2782 posts
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12 Apr 2009 10:58AM
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waveslave said...
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No claims, no egos. ^^^
Right.
It may well be slightly premature for Shopguy and his cohort to be giving the forumers a history lesson,
a lesson about a sport that's barely 10 years old.....
still in its infancy in fact.
Maybe Shopguy and others are trying to be nostalgic.....
longing for the return of the recent past. lol
Windfreaks like Robby and Pete have claiming rights.
They have been riding waves for over 3 decades using windpower......
(decades before kites appeared on the scene),
Shopguy needs to pay his dues first.




The sport may only be 10 years old in Australia and I agree it is in it's infancy, but considering about 70% of todays riders have been in the sport for less than 5 years, and also considering that the sport has made quantum leaps in both popularity and technology in the past 4 years, it does give those that were around in the beginnings a sense of nostalgia to be able to reflect on the early days.

Do I long for the return of the old times? No not really, I like the new technology and the friends I have in the sport now, but I still look back in fondness at the beginnings because it was very different back then and is worth remembering from time to time. I never expected everyone to be interested in this post, but for the few that were around then and read this, I'm sure they will also remember with a smile on their faces.

And yes, I pole danced for 17 years prior to kiting and did other wind sports even before then, so I guess by your rationale, I have the right to speak of the old times.

Whatever, red thumb til your hearts content.





RayQ
WA, 635 posts
12 Apr 2009 1:19PM
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Sad to see this thread go down the drain, its only been about 10 years for the sport in OZ, but the early days were totaly different to ioday, the stoke is gone for sure. Its still a great sport though, and if it wasnt for Robby Naish, who was actually the only big company to invest in kiting, it would have taken a lot longer to develop

trevor1
WA, 598 posts
12 Apr 2009 2:03PM
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I don't understand the red thumbs.

waveslave
WA, 4263 posts
12 Apr 2009 2:05PM
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Kitepower Australia said...

Senility is catching up with waveguy, the topic is actually about the history, albeit short, of kitesurfing in Oz.



This stupid thread is not really about 'history', is it Shopguy ?
* wink.
It's all about that Alex dude and your private issues with him that you struggle with.
It's about oneupmanship.
Shopguy vs Alex.
Although you did mention him in your name-dropping list in your initial post.
That's very gracious of you.


GalahOnTheBay
NSW, 4188 posts
12 Apr 2009 5:03PM
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So unless anyone else has a differing view, Paul Crawford was the first kite surfer in Aus.

Sounds like a good bloke if you ask me...

WTF is up with the red thumbs for Steve and Darren's posts - kids these days have no respect. No really.

Oh and in other news I hear Paul Stockham and Sam Burns have now reconciled their differences through extensive counselling with Tanya Koens and are back together again

Mr float
NSW, 3452 posts
12 Apr 2009 6:11PM
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GalahOnTheBay said...

So unless anyone else has a differing view, Paul Crawford was the first kite surfer in Aus.

Sounds like a good bloke if you ask me...

WTF is up with the red thumbs for Steve and Darren's posts - kids these days have no respect. No really.

Oh and in other news I hear Paul Stockham and Sam Burns have now reconciled their differences through extensive counselling with Tanya Koens and are back together again


so what 's the Craw up to and what is Paul up to these days .he seemed to drop off the planet .Does he still kite ? If anyone sees him say g'day

milko
NSW, 604 posts
12 Apr 2009 6:15PM
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16 years ago. i had a 2.4 mtr buzz kite.. dual line with tons of power. one rainy day with howling winds i taped some thongs to those plastic roadside reflector things.. and skied down the hill at mona vale headland in front of the hospital..that has got to make me some kind of pioneer had a gallery to.. also was going to jump the warriewood blowhole with my buzz kite but piked out and nuded up instead.. can still taste my balls I just sold that kite to a guy for $50 about 2 months ago

Kitehard
WA, 2782 posts
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12 Apr 2009 4:20PM
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Hi Galah,

Paul was the first in Sydney I'd say. Matt Colefax was the first on the east coast and Ian Young was the first on the west coast, maybe first in Oz????? He was using the kiteski system (Cory Roesseller), Delta framed kites with huge bar and winder to relaunch when they crashed.
These guys were the real pioneers, they were doing it before anyone had even grasped the concept.

I met a guy in Hawaii by the name of Scotty Augenbaum (spelling?) He used to do downwinders with a stack of delta frame kites on surfboards back in the early 90's. Does this make him the first in the US???

Robbie wasn't into kiting at first at all, Don Montague was mad for it and spent heaps of his time trying to convince Rob that it would be the next big thing. Don spent loads of time tinkering with designs and working with the Legianoux brothers before Naish were even interested in kitesurfing. Eventually Rob relented and Naish delved into kites in 1998/9. Just as well, as I understand it, Naish (the company) was on it's arse financially with windsurfing products not doing so well.

Credit to Naish though, their marketing got kitesurfing known around the world and was what lit the fire under the arse of the punters who eventually started the sport. No one had heard of a small french company named Wipika until Naish took it and ran with it.

History lesson over for now .......


Kitehard
WA, 2782 posts
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12 Apr 2009 4:24PM
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Mr float said...

GalahOnTheBay said...

So unless anyone else has a differing view, Paul Crawford was the first kite surfer in Aus.

Sounds like a good bloke if you ask me...

WTF is up with the red thumbs for Steve and Darren's posts - kids these days have no respect. No really.

Oh and in other news I hear Paul Stockham and Sam Burns have now reconciled their differences through extensive counselling with Tanya Koens and are back together again


so what 's the Craw up to and what is Paul up to these days .he seemed to drop off the planet .Does he still kite ? If anyone sees him say g'day



Hey Lach,

Paul works for Qantas and took an OS posting for several years. I think he is back now from what I hear but has two kids and a busy life. I don't think he kites anymore at all. His wife wrote a childrens book and had it published (????), so they are being a busy family. As far as I know he still lives in Sydney. Happy to be corrected.





loco4olas
NSW, 1516 posts
12 Apr 2009 9:15PM
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Why the offence at Steve posting some history is totally beyond me-I've only been kiting since late 2002-but early enough to remember the goodwill amongst kiters-particularly on the Yahoo kitesurf forum-now it's all sniping cr@p.

Good on Steve and others providing some history of this great sport-Steve' post will become more relevant with time.

Take a look at the SUP forum on here and the goodwill there-you'll get an idea where kiting was back in the early days (surfing too for that matter).

Matt



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