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Forums > Kitesurfing Gear Reviews

Best Bar system Push or Pull

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Created by Addikt > 9 months ago, 4 Aug 2010
Addikt
WA, 551 posts
4 Aug 2010 5:58PM
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Almost done just need to get the QR sorted so what should it be

Push or pull and why ?


terminal
1421 posts
4 Aug 2010 6:13PM
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Is this a trick question? The bar was made in 2003?

I'd say pull because it would be velcro on the end of the harness line.

The other alternative is the Slingshot surefire spreader bar, which would be push.

waxman
SA, 1390 posts
4 Aug 2010 9:19PM
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Is that the new fone light weight bar for there sup kite?????

Where does the paddle clip in

Addikt
WA, 551 posts
4 Aug 2010 8:39PM
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terminal said...

Is this a trick question?


Hey I am rather sensitive about my bar..........I was just bored waiting for summer and got to thinking how much of an issue the QR is becoming, seems most are moving to push and wondered how much of a consideration this is we all know how important colour is so I was wondering if this was as big a factor?

toddws
WA, 469 posts
4 Aug 2010 10:29PM
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Neither, that type of bar needs a turn release.

They are new and come in the form of a flat metal release lever and an impact resistant metal fastening.

This prevents accidental loss of the kite while underwater death looping.

I have seen them in the shops under the brand name 'padlock'.

I googled 'homemade deathtrap for kites' and managed to download the manual for this bar and the 'Padlock' brand comes highly reccommended by the manufacturer.

Anyway hope this helps, got to go and play with the powerlines.

waxman
SA, 1390 posts
5 Aug 2010 11:03AM
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So what are you building the bar for?

oceanfire
WA, 718 posts
5 Aug 2010 12:57PM
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Doesn't the chicken loop have to be a part of the QR mechanism?
It looks like your chicken loop will keep the bar attached to you even if you release the centre line?

waveslave
WA, 4263 posts
5 Aug 2010 1:05PM
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All that broomstick needs now is a death shackle and it's complete. ^^^

Wisha
SA, 255 posts
5 Aug 2010 4:30PM
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Clearly the chicken loop hasn't been made yet. That is not a chicken loop on the bar.
The pulley system would make pulling the below the bar trim line a lot easier.
Do like the ultimate 'home made' look.

waxman
SA, 1390 posts
5 Aug 2010 4:46PM
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The mechanical advantage of having a pulley set up on a triangle shape is not very efficient, you could get 2/1 going strait up and down, but with a triangle the triangle gets smaller the affect reduces at best that set up would only give a ratio of around 1.6/1 and become less the more you depower it. You would gain a lot of rope flapping around under the bar.

The other downfall of a set up like that would be as you fully depower the kite and the triangle shape reduces down a lot flatter in a over powered situation that line would then flex like a bow which would have the affect of powering the kite up, the more you depower the worse the affect would get.

Wisha
SA, 255 posts
5 Aug 2010 5:05PM
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Yeah, for ultimate ease a double ended pulley at 1, therefore going from 2 back to 1 and then back down to the cleat would have more of a reduced effort effect.

Obviously you would have to pull twice as much line for the same amount of trim, though with half the effort.

oceanfire
WA, 718 posts
5 Aug 2010 3:45PM
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Wisha said...

Clearly the chicken loop hasn't been made yet. That is not a chicken loop on the bar.
The pulley system would make pulling the below the bar trim line a lot easier.
Do like the ultimate 'home made' look.


Sorry mate, but with a pic of a half finished home made device and no full details, it's anything but clear.

This isn't or wasn't a dig at the bar, was just asking the question; I like to see & encourage innovation.

TurtleHunter
WA, 1675 posts
5 Aug 2010 4:34PM
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I remember playing around with pulley bars years ago and as the triangle changes the turning of the kite changes hugely.Better off with a depower strap above the bar.
I think the inbuilt automatic quick release will work fine



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