Peter Lynn I started kitin on them and i shouldve prolly been shot dead. To say it kindly, absolutely crap.. Soon as they hit the water how the **** do u think they will relaunch.. Maybe one out of 70 times u will get it up. If its in the water for more than 3 seconds they fill up with water. Should be only used on those cold nights as a sleeping bag.
If you wait long enough they will go up. I've launched a 19m in 12 knots out of the surf. Key thing is to pull on the centre lines.
If it bowties though, it's usually all over.
i have a vennom 2 just lerning so it hits the drink alot never a problem to water launch
iv been using the vortex 10m very well behaved kite but found it didnt have the power like the g10 but all up easy to use and fun in surf but rather use my venom2 13m kite for it is the kite to have
I have to agree...the VII 13 is an awsome little kite, my favorite at the moment, however the vortex is just that little bit better in the surf....because of the way it turns and where it sits in the window.
With the VII's you are able to build a lot of speed and generate more apparent wind which increases the bottom end of the kite.
Everbody has different needs in a kite and it gets down to which kite allows you to have the most fun on the water. And really that's what is is all about.
Cheers,
crakas
what would you compare the vortex 14 against venom in size and wind range (ie 14 vortex 13venom)?
I think the 14 vortex and 13 VII have the same bottom end for me,14 to 15, top end I'm not sure however I've had them both out in gusts over 30.
The vortex behaves better in the higher winds, not that the VII is bad.
My choice would be to have the venom's in the bigger kites and the vortex in the smaller kites for the higher winds.
The wind range is also relative to your weight, board size and skill level.
I guess Matt that your are after something to complement your 16 VII.
Maybe a 12 Vortex or 10 VII
Crakas
happens that there is a 14 vortex for sale just dont no if there to close in wind range
They will be close in windrange, saying that I think the 14 vortex may have a slightly better top end and the 16 VII will have a better bottom end.....it also depends on how much you are going to pay for it.
PLK say on there website that the vortex does not have as much windrange as the VII, however because of the depower characteristics of the vortex, I think they are pretty close.
Crakas
I think I broke something
...oh well it doesn't get used anyway.
And you got it on film...don't show Clayton.... he will never look-up to his Dad again..
hi there i was just wondering if u have ever had problem with the kite colapsing when u jump but keep in mind im using the 10m and it could be small kite prob be glad 2 no 4 it did it to me 6times in 1 day
Yorks Boy,
When you say collapsing you mean the tips coming together. I've never had that happen when kite is properly inflated...it sounds a bit like under inflation. Were all the zipped done up tight? What wind strength were you using it in and does it happen often or just that one day.
l learnt on PL kites, bomba then g2.
fantastic to learn on because they are so stable , and almost impossible to hit the water unless you steer it straight there.
99% time - launches immediately.
i would say it could be on the water for 10 mins and still relaunch.
how is the depower on the new vortex and venoms?
how do you manage to dump so much power???
hi
the depower and vortex and venoms is excellent .In fact I would say they were the first kite that really had excellent depower (something that I have liked as a rider and instructor for 3 years ,studnets can just let go of the bar when they have lost the plot ) .In fact when I was speaking to Aron Jarman (wave nat champ for the last 2 years )about how much the kites have to do with his ridng, he said alot(but shh don't tell anyone ) .He said that he finds that the kite gives him the down the line grunt that a c kite gives with the excellent depower that a sle /hybrid gives .this couple with the stability of the kite allowing stress free riding that the kite isn't going to drop if you make a bit of mistake.
How is this done ?Well when speaking to Pete lynn (the designer ) about it he said that ever since the first arcs which had no depower but fast turns and lots of grunt ,to the Guerilla lots of depowe r/slow turns and no grunt .They have been trying to use the advantage of having a kite that has its weight evenly balanced and move the forward attachment point as far forward as possible ,retain stability and combine depower and power .this has been achieved with the venom and subsequent models without bridles .Bridled sle kites do it by allowing the forward attachment point to move forward when the kite is depowered via the bridle .
Hope this makes sense
Anyway bottom line is if you are interested try one for yourself and see if you like it .I'd say you will
Regards
lach
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Originally posted by bigmark100
l learnt on PL kites, bomba then g2.
fantastic to learn on because they are so stable , and almost impossible to hit the water unless you steer it straight there.
99% time - launches immediately.
i would say it could be on the water for 10 mins and still relaunch.
how is the depower on the new vortex and venoms?
how do you manage to dump so much power???
bigmark100
I manage to dump so much power from the kite by using a modified bar. I have increased the length of the the trim rope and added longer leaders to the end of the bar, this inturn has allowed a greater depower throw. I very rarely touch the trim strap now.
The good thing about the PLK's is when you depower them, they don't fall out of the sky and you still have steering.
hey,
lach or anyone out there, how do i trim the plk v2 16mtr for unhooked manouveres... for all repliers i know the theory behind unhooking and done it a few times accidently, so i know about stance, and how to do tricks, i just cant figure out how to properly trim the kite lines or depower to allow smooth unhooked riding
let us know
mick
