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Zeeko 2016 Alloy Foil

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Created by RAL INN > 9 months ago, 27 Feb 2016
Kamikuza
QLD, 6493 posts
6 Mar 2016 11:16AM
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RAL INN said..

Kamikuza said...
One single red thumb each,moor the last three posts

Mass is a factor in overcoming inertia, but it's just not that simple...



Simply put but maybe we need moor


Urgh, the autocorrect gets screwed up on this site sonething chronic.

Askma science teacher, I have no idea where to start. Points of equilibrium maybe...

INTHELOOP
QLD, 1855 posts
6 Mar 2016 12:05PM
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AntoineS said..

INTHELOOP said..
good to start off with but once you ridden a carbon foil you will never go back



Hey Marv I've ridden both but the carbon one were high aspect race setup while the alloy were low aspect freeride so apple to oranges.
But real question: if I had the exact same designs of mast and wings, but one made of carbon while the other of aluminium, what sort of noticeable difference (apart from the weight) could I expect to feel when riding?


The foil sections and thickness of mast are the most important aspect looking at drag/ speed. The carbon struts are stiffer with less thickness/chord. Also you cannot fair metal foils.The fluid dynamics on carbon foils is a lot better than metal.

RAL INN
SA, 2890 posts
6 Mar 2016 1:54PM
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This pretty much explains why you don't see many if any manufacturers producing race or speed Alloy foils. Just Freeride.

And while freeride Foiling may have it's moments of trying for a 30kt run. It is more about Free riding and having fun, having a go in the waves.
going for some air time etc.

a Good Alloy foil allows that, and allows a lot more kiters to be able to afford to do that.
I have been mulling over which of the Notus Air hydrofoil dedicated kites I want to get for myself. The 8m or 12m.
after my last session it looks like the 8m will be plenty as around here wind is either 11-12kts + or 5kts and variable(crap)
so i get overpowered on foil on 8m then it's onto something else.
If I want speed I'll get the speed board out and windsurf.
maybe I'm the only one that thinks buying a foil and board or foil and kite for my style of foiling(ugly) is way better than just using that money to get a foil that I can race, but probably won't(I also shudder at having to read a racing rulebook again. and buy a racing foilboard, and god knows how many Diablos).

RAL INN
SA, 2890 posts
25 Mar 2016 7:29AM
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Anyone wants to try our demo foil.
We will be taking advantage of the great foiling wind forecasts this Easter at Shallow Inlet.
W and WSW winds that keep everyone else down wind in the inlet are perfect for foiling as we get to stay up near start bank and thus have that area to ourselves.

Pauloz
VIC, 116 posts
31 Mar 2016 9:08AM
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I have a Zeeko Alloy foil and pocket board..
very happy, high attention to detail and quality and the dedicated board is very light ( the whole package is not too heavy).
It is also very photogenic, unlike me :)







Fly on da wall
SA, 725 posts
31 Mar 2016 10:04AM
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Pauloz said...
I have a Zeeko Alloy foil and pocket board..
very happy, high attention to detail and quality and the dedicated board is very light ( the whole package is not too heavy).
It is also very photogenic, unlike me :)









What do they cost?

RAL INN
SA, 2890 posts
31 Mar 2016 6:06PM
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less than the turbo I now need in my BT50

RAL INN
SA, 2890 posts
15 Apr 2016 6:38AM
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The Zeeko Alloy doesn't seem to be too shabby in performance in this video.

JacobMatan
WA, 431 posts
15 Apr 2016 4:28PM
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Fly on da wall said...
Pauloz said...
I have a Zeeko Alloy foil and pocket board..
very happy, high attention to detail and quality and the dedicated board is very light ( the whole package is not too heavy).
It is also very photogenic, unlike me :)









What do they cost?




Just from info earlier in this thread but the cost would be pretty much half that of something twice as expensive but 3 times the price of something one third the cost

RAL INN
SA, 2890 posts
16 Apr 2016 8:50AM
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Zeeko has added a new wing to their Alloy series, the Blue wing.
White & Blue Edition Hydrofoil
We are proud to announce you the release of a new Alloy foil: the White and Blue Edition hydrofoil. It shares the same mast and fuselage than the Black & White Alloy foil, and use the same wings (with anhedral) than the carbon series hydrofoil.
Pre-order is now available and first shipments will start the 07th of May 2016.


The bad news is all foil boards, Pocket and Slash are sold out. mid June is next shipment of Slash and new board project is also coming in June.
also all Alloy foils are sold out next stocks due end of May.




Plummet
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18 Apr 2016 8:56AM
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Gorgo said..


I have no interest in spending $2800 on just a foil. As a complete beginner I could not demo anything because I had no skills. My skills have developed to a point where I could demo a foil and make some sensible decisions but demo gear is not readily available. When I upgrade I don't want to be people's reject foils.

When I buy a new foil kit I want a quality product that can be broken down and set up quickly and easily.



I agree. Who cares if the carbon foils are way better. I would say the same thing about my carbon mountain bike. Its waaaaaaaay better than a cheap aluminium bike. But should a beginner punt $10k on a push bike? NO! I'm in the same boat as Gorgo. Want a cheap ****ter to start with. Then buy/build a better one if i get really addicted.

PS I'll wait for the ****ty $1450 until to come on the second hand market for $700 in a couple of years time. When I see foils around that price then ill be cooking with gas!

Plummet
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18 Apr 2016 9:24AM
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RAL INN said..
Not being a seabreeze sponsor it's uncool for me to give prices here.



Maybe you should be a sponsor. Seems like your using this site to push the product...

RAL INN
SA, 2890 posts
18 Apr 2016 12:49PM
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Maybe. Maybe not.

RAL INN
SA, 2890 posts
5 Jun 2016 6:41AM
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There are now 70 & 96cm masts available for the Alloy foils.

jingles75
VIC, 7 posts
5 Jun 2016 11:33AM
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Hey RAL IIN,
have you had any water time on the on the zeeko Carbon?

justinstuart
WA, 45 posts
7 Jun 2016 1:53AM
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I'm getting really pulled into the foiling hype and thinking to commit in the next day or two!! The Zeeko white and blue looks and by all acounts sounds awesome! I reckon combine it with the Shinn "EL Stubbo" to have a light, super strong foil board, that apparently will work really nice off the foil for waves, flat water strapless and lightwind!! I'm over in Europe at moment and the zeeko is about €900/$1400, the full kit something around €1847/$2800.




RAL INN
SA, 2890 posts
7 Jun 2016 6:13PM
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Have to say no to trying the carbon. Just the alloy and at my level I probably couldn't tell the difference enough to give an opinion. Although Nico has given a good comparison that has been quoted elsewhere.
And those prices justinstuart has mentioned are about spot on for our delivered prices.

jamesperth
WA, 610 posts
7 Jun 2016 5:35PM
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Hi Justinstuart. $2800 for a first foil setup is super, super expensive. You sure you want to go that route as opposed to a <$1500 2nd hand setup ( board and foil) and save some cash for the upgrade later ? That Stubbo looks like a great board, but that is going to be tough to learn on. Really tough. Literally it would be the same as if you bought a similarly sized piece of ply from Bunnings and mounted it to that. ( I will try this for a laugh for sure) I am riding a 125cm thin foil board at the moment and there is no tolerance for rough touchdowns - instant nosedive & crash. Plus you pretty much need to start straight onto the foil, as it just sinks beneath if you are not quick.

seeing you are from WA, you should be aware of the "Perth Kite Racing" club on Facebook - we have 20+ Foilers all racing and upgrading regularly and there is so much good second hand equipment available if you know who to ask. Choose from KFA, Sword 1 and 2, Spotz 1,2 & 3.... Lots of second hand race boards (ie with volume) from Temavento and so on. super keen to see you get out on the water, just want to let you know about the alternatives

cauncy
WA, 8407 posts
7 Jun 2016 6:33PM
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justinstuart said...
I'm getting really pulled into the foiling hype and thinking to commit in the next day or two!! The Zeeko white and blue looks and by all acounts sounds awesome! I reckon combine it with the Shinn "EL Stubbo" to have a light, super strong foil board, that apparently will work really nice off the foil for waves, flat water strapless and lightwind!! I'm over in Europe at moment and the zeeko is about €900/$1400, the full kit something around €1847/$2800.







The shinnster foil is another option,
Unsure here of pricing



Livit
WA, 542 posts
7 Jun 2016 9:49PM
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Hi Justinstuart. $2800 for a first foil setup is super, super expensive. You sure you want to go that route as opposed to a <$1500 2nd hand setup ( board and foil) and save some cash for the upgrade later ? That Stubbo looks like a great board, but that is going to be tough to learn on. Really tough. Literally it would be the same as if you bought a similarly sized piece of ply from Bunnings and mounted it to that. ( I will try this for a laugh for sure) I am riding a 125cm thin foil board at the moment and there is no tolerance for rough touchdowns - instant nosedive & crash. Plus you pretty much need to start straight onto the foil, as it just sinks beneath if you are not quick.


Have you tried it?

I don't see why it would be any harder than another board to learn on + it is a board that you can use for mucking around in the Perth chop.

I am also riding a 120cm board and don't find it any harder than the volume board I learnt on.


Also the guy is in Europe atm so any gear he buys he will get 20% VAT money back when leaving making it a rather sweet deal.




KPSS Used
NSW, 410 posts
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8 Jun 2016 10:30AM
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cauncy said..

justinstuart said...
I'm getting really pulled into the foiling hype and thinking to commit in the next day or two!! The Zeeko white and blue looks and by all acounts sounds awesome! I reckon combine it with the Shinn "EL Stubbo" to have a light, super strong foil board, that apparently will work really nice off the foil for waves, flat water strapless and lightwind!! I'm over in Europe at moment and the zeeko is about €900/$1400, the full kit something around €1847/$2800.








The shinnster foil is another option,
Unsure here of pricing





$2698 for stubbo complete with foil pack and foil www.kitepower.com.au/collections/kitesurfing/products/shinn-el-stubbo-complete-135x50cm?variant=22549041540

$2548 for shinnster with same setup www.kitepower.com.au/shinnster-2016.html

Should have our shipment very soon :) Unfortunate that our season is well and truly over though.


jamesperth
WA, 610 posts
8 Jun 2016 3:26PM
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Hi Livit. Have I tried the El Stubbo ? No.

My progression has been Liquid Force Foil Fish, Temavento foil board (about 155 ish and thick) and Temavento pocket board 125cm with minimal volume. This small board is also strapless - no inserts.

For foils, I have the Magma Barracuda which is my first carbon foil, with an intermediate wing set up and also have a KFA Mako race foil

I'm 90kgs, and find in light wind my small board simply sinks unless I have some forward momentum. I had the same problem with the LF - and made learning harder than necessary. No straps also makes things a bit more challenging, maybe that's why I found my small board quite difficult.

Just hoping to sharing my own experiences over the past year or so when learning in those 8-14 knot days. With time and patience I think anyone could learn on anything !!

TomW059
183 posts
9 Jun 2016 3:04AM
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HI, I´m way over on other side of the world in N Europe and just ordered a foil. Did a lot of shopping, reading and comparing.
Probably not relevant to you guys over there but this is what i found out shopping over here.

In europe, you can get the Zeeko with the Shinn set up or the Zeeko board for about 1400-1500 Euro.
Then there are a bunch of French, Italian, Euro companies - Moses, Levitaz, Sroka, Alpine, Spotz, Ketos etc.
here is a good list: kitehydrofoil.com/equipment.html

Most carbon foils are going for 1500 -1900 euros , then you have to add a board.

I finally settled on a Moses Fluente in full carbon with interchangeble wings and a T40 glass foil board. Got it with bag and shipping for 1600 euros. Hope to get it next week or so. the kit weighs much less than a aluminum set-up and there are already higher performance wings available at 250-350 euros from Moses.

One thing i was worried about is the galvanic reaction between stainless and aluminum and know from my windsurfing days that the hardware can totally seize. Some manufacturers are saying you have to dismantle and apply teflon regularly....i can imagine that it´s really serious problem in salty waters.

I have not ever ridden a foil so i dont know ****e about it but read the few review and corresponded with Frank Rosin at Famous Frank - he sells Moses, Levitaz and Zeeko-


dafish
NSW, 1651 posts
9 Jun 2016 11:38AM
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That Shinn boards looks pretty nice, and quite versatile. Could be a good traveling option to cover tt style of riding, foiling, and (very) small wave riding. Add a surfboard and you could travel and with two kites and two boards and easily cover almost every condition. Might have to look at that option for future travels.

RAL INN
SA, 2890 posts
9 Jun 2016 1:08PM
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The new Zeeko board add fins straps or foil it takes them all.

Brohan
VIC, 528 posts
9 Jun 2016 10:00PM
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If you go for a Zeeko buy from the Zeeko guys overseas, works out cheaper to ship it over then what the people sell them here for. Pretty sure they just put an order through them anyway and get it sent to your house. Mine took around 4-5 days to come from France.

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10 Jun 2016 10:00AM
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Brohan said..
If you go for a Zeeko buy from the Zeeko guys overseas, works out cheaper to ship it over then what the people sell them here for. Pretty sure they just put an order through them anyway and get it sent to your house. Mine took around 4-5 days to come from France.


OR!

Talk to those people here who sell them, maybe they can sharpen their pencil a little..

From my calculations, the white/blue edition alloy foil sells for 749EUR ex VAT which converts to approx $1280AUD including GST, not sure if they charge freight or not but this is only $170 less than they sell for here but you get local service, support and warranty plus a little discount if you ask nicely

We will have some stock here soon, so will only be 1-2 working days for delivery to most places.

Kamikuza
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10 Jun 2016 10:53AM
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OR!

Talk to those people here who sell them, maybe they can sharpen their pencil a little..


These are the same guys who state how tough it is to make a living in the biz...? Are you suggesting we go out haggle the price down, cutting into their already slim margins, or are you saying that the gear is marked up too much?

KPSS Used
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10 Jun 2016 11:26AM
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Kamikuza said..

KPSS Used said..


OR!

Talk to those people here who sell them, maybe they can sharpen their pencil a little..



These are the same guys who state how tough it is to make a living in the biz...? Are you suggesting we go out haggle the price down, cutting into their already slim margins, or are you saying that the gear is marked up too much?


It certainly isn't easy, margin is what keeps our doors open 7days. However it's no use if people are going overseas to purchase, if you think the price is too high let us know. As the old saying goes "There's no harm in asking"

I think once you factor in the lower exchange rate your credit card gives you, shipping (if applicable) and GST (over $1000 for the time being) and duty (5% on most products) there is very little saving to be made when local delivery, service and warranty is taken into account.
I understand things may be very different for you over in Japan though.


Kamikuza
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10 Jun 2016 2:47PM
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"There's no harm in asking"

I think once you factor in the lower exchange rate your credit card gives you, shipping (if applicable) and GST (over $1000 for the time being) and duty (5% on most products) there is very little saving to be made when local delivery, service and warranty is taken into account.
I understand things may be very different for you over in Japan though.




Yes, there's no discount here no matter how sweetly you ask.

But if the listed price isn't the actual price, why not list the actual price? Why make customers jump through hoops? Or are you hoping the suckers can't be bothered and will just pay the RRP?



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