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A lot more than Insurance

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Created by WAKSA > 9 months ago, 23 Apr 2014
WAKSA
WA, 813 posts
23 Apr 2014 4:32PM
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Please read

http://www.waksa.org.au/kitesurfing-news/a-lot-more-than-insurance

AndyHansen
WA, 278 posts
23 Apr 2014 5:09PM
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WAKSA can you please provide some detail. ( all questions in relation to WA only)

Insurance for local kiters.
Kiter's that are merely looking at insurance locally in WA have 2 options.
Of which KA insuracne has limitations compared to IKA insurance.
1. Does WAKSA not recognise IKA insurance as valid. If not, why so?



"Our community needs a single voice more than ever and often we focus on the irrelevant issues such as a few dollars, instead of the big picture.
This can only be done with your support in how you explain our shared views to the wider kiting community and help all non members understand why they should join. "

2. Is WAKSA a membership fee based club which runs for the interest of its members?
Are only the interest of those that provide a few dollars covered by WAKSA.

Or is WAKSA a body that speaks and supports all kiter's?

If WAKSA inclusive rather than exclusive, as the state representative body that represents all kiters, then by example why are non WAKSA members not permitted to attend Kite stock even if they have insurance.
Of the $20k that's collect in membership fees, much is used fund Kitestock. (it could be asked if this is this fair on all members? )
It is commonly stated "why should members subsidies non-members, attending member events" but of the 650 WAKSA members only around 100 or so members attend Kitestock, so 550 members are subsidising the event for the 100 that do attend.

3. Who represents all the non-paying kiters in WA?
If WKASA events are not relevant for non-members, then how are any other guidelines or initiatives relevant for non-members.

4. How is WAKSA supportive of the development of kiting initiatives/events that include non-member kiters, or is WAKSA limited to supporting only WAKSA member initiatives/events.

5. "will aid innovative"

The past summer saw not more events, but less being included in the WAKSA calendar.
Sadly the 2013/2014 summer did not see the running of the Redkite downwinder.
How can innovation be sighted when events are being lost.

Victoria (KBV) saw TT racing added to their calendar. KBV also supporting the various yacht club racing.
NSW had a state summer series for racing with state champions being crowned.
Where is the WA innovation?

getfunky
WA, 4485 posts
20 May 2014 10:03PM
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Mine is an opinion that may be in the minority (or may not who knows?) but I simply have zero interest in competitions etc which seems the overall focus of WAKSA/AKSA and indeed where the majority of members funds go to. I'm happy to be corrected as to where the funds are going btw (if I can make the AGM on time I will pay attention - LOL)

This comes up every year but simply put why don't AKSA/WAKSA respond to many members wishes for an insurance only option and let those who wish to enter comps etc pay a premium?
Why do we all pay for the same fellas to strut against each other? Is it about kiting as a recreation or competing for bragging rights?
End of 2c - and bag away - I'm just a paid up member (and have been for a decade) voicing a valid opinion.

Subculture
443 posts
21 May 2014 3:21PM
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^^^^ What the man with the hair said

dusta
WA, 2940 posts
22 May 2014 12:29PM
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GF where were you last night . I can post up a copy of the 2013-14 financials if you like . People need to get over the idea that WAKSA is just about competitions and insurance .

getfunky
WA, 4485 posts
24 May 2014 4:11AM
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Hey Dusta,
Late home from work and fam commitments so didn't make it.

What was the wash-up?

I'd appreciate the financials - ta.

I have been out of the loop the last year+ but it seems there is very little info from WAKSA these days - either on this forum or their webby? What's the story there?

I do appreciate the efforts the WAKSA volunteers make in dealing with councils, education, info etc but I really do think they owe it to members to have a two - tiered membership option.

1. Insurance for recreational kiting
2. Insurance for recreational kiting and competitions (including a levy for comp admin etc)

I guess it won't come up for another year - but then I should have gone to the AGM and ranted right?

AndyHansen
WA, 278 posts
27 May 2014 4:11PM
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WASKA are waiting on legal advice on privacy and KA's endorsement of the new format before releasing the financials and AGM report.... but you got them ok if you attended in person on the evening. Wonder why the difference?

NoBS
WA, 908 posts
8 Jun 2014 3:56PM
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I say if you take the froth from a cappucino, you still have a normal coffee underneath. Just your choice if you want to pay $4.80 for that coffee or just have a nescafe blend 43 instead for the same effect.

AndyHansen
WA, 278 posts
8 Jun 2014 7:09PM
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NoBS said...



I say if you take the froth from a cappucino, you still have a normal coffee underneath. Just your choice if you want to pay $4.80 for that coffee or just have a nescafe blend 43 instead for the same effect.



50 usd gets the job done in the USA
www.americankiteboarding.org/join-the-aka/

NoBS
WA, 908 posts
9 Jun 2014 11:45AM
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Valid question I believe.

However I bet a game of responsibility hop scotch will be taking place with the above.

Stand by for MOAS to chime in. wah wah wah


getfunky
WA, 4485 posts
13 Jun 2014 7:53AM
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Hmmm... no reply to (very reasonable) questions on this thread.

And this is supposed to be the Kite WA and WAKSA forum?

I noticed even the AGM was not advertised in this forum.. sheesh is it like a Free Masons club these days or sumpin?

Honestly WAKSA, and you wonder why people get a bit critical??

Now how do I do the secret handshake?

NoBS
WA, 908 posts
13 Jun 2014 8:46AM
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getfunky said...
Hmmm... no reply to (very reasonable) questions on this thread.

And this is supposed to be the Kite WA and WAKSA forum?

I noticed even the AGM was not advertised in this forum.. sheesh is it like a Free Masons club these days or sumpin?

Honestly WAKSA, and you wonder why people get a bit critical??

Now how do I do the secret handshake?


Get Funky does have a point...

The WAKSA handshake consists of the following:

1. Open Wallet
2. Pay by credit Card
3. Get a colourful tag for harness.
4. Repeat after 12 months.







getfunky
WA, 4485 posts
8 Aug 2014 8:31PM
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AndyHansen said.. WASKA are waiting on legal advice on privacy and KA's endorsement of the new format before releasing the financials and AGM report.... but you got them ok if you attended in person on the evening. Wonder why the difference?



And... just to follow up over 2 months later:

No reply to my reasonable question on the WAKSA thread, on the Kitesurfing WA (and WAKSA) forum

And.. no reply to my email sent to WAKSA

And.. also no reply to my question posted (as a member) via the WAKSA site.

Top work.

Great to see transparency and accountability.
WAKSA's lawyers and KA must be following the WAKSA reply model or sumpin?


In fairness Dusta did offer to post some details (but to my knowledge they never showed)

As for WAKSA official replies..
Nada, Zip, Fk all.

Seriously guys, you really are wondering where the criticism comes from?? Wake up please.

People need to get over the idea that WAKSA is just about competitions and insurance .

Well it appears WAKSA are def about that, and certainly not at all about allowing a 10 yr member to know how much of his fee is going on comps that he has zero interest in financially supporting.

getfunky
WA, 4485 posts
9 Aug 2014 11:40AM
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Folks all I can suggest is to diary the AGM next year and show up in numbers to put forth a compelling motion for WAKSA to acknowledge that (potentially) most of it's members DO NOT want their fees going on comps and BS they don't not want to pay for.

Also to put forth a motion to have a two tired membership fee with those wishing to enter comps to be charged a surcharge (100% paying for comps)

Also to demand accountability and reasonable replies to legitimate enquiries from members (ie via their own fricken site)

Gotta play the game on AGM day as WAKSA don not seem to give a fek about the concerns raised here or elsewhere unless legally binding in an AGM.

Getting to the gloves coming off stage and no one is to blame for that but WAKSA IMO.

kite4fun
WA, 16 posts
12 Aug 2014 11:38AM
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getfunky said..
Folks all I can suggest is to diary the AGM next year and show up in numbers to put forth a compelling motion for WAKSA to acknowledge that (potentially) most of it's members DO NOT want their fees going on comps and BS they don't not want to pay for.

Also to put forth a motion to have a two tired membership fee with those wishing to enter comps to be charged a surcharge (100% paying for comps)

Also to demand accountability and reasonable replies to legitimate enquiries from members (ie via their own fricken site)

Gotta play the game on AGM day as WAKSA don not seem to give a fek about the concerns raised here or elsewhere unless legally binding in an AGM.

Getting to the gloves coming off stage and no one is to blame for that but WAKSA IMO.




If people are interested in just the insurance then might be worth people re checking their Home & Contents insurance policy. My new policy by default includes $20M legal liability for kitesurfing.

Guessing & makes sense though that you would still need to be a WAKSA member to participate (and contribute $ ) in competitions.

"legal liability covered by this policy is $20 million, including all associated legal costs we have agreed to pay following your claim. We cover your legal liability to pay compensation for death or bodily injury to other people, or loss or damage to their property resulting from an incident which happens anywhere in Australia or
New Zealand during the period of insurance"


....

"a kite designed to be held by a person on land or attached to a non-motor powered watercraft (e.g. a surf kite). "

airush
WA, 44 posts
12 Aug 2014 7:00PM
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kite4fun said..

getfunky said..
Folks all I can suggest is to diary the AGM next year and show up in numbers to put forth a compelling motion for WAKSA to acknowledge that (potentially) most of it's members DO NOT want their fees going on comps and BS they don't not want to pay for.

Also to put forth a motion to have a two tired membership fee with those wishing to enter comps to be charged a surcharge (100% paying for comps)

Also to demand accountability and reasonable replies to legitimate enquiries from members (ie via their own fricken site)

Gotta play the game on AGM day as WAKSA don not seem to give a fek about the concerns raised here or elsewhere unless legally binding in an AGM.

Getting to the gloves coming off stage and no one is to blame for that but WAKSA IMO.





If people are interested in just the insurance then might be worth people re checking their Home & Contents insurance policy. My new policy by default includes $20M legal liability for kitesurfing.

Guessing & makes sense though that you would still need to be a WAKSA member to participate (and contribute $ ) in competitions.

"legal liability covered by this policy is $20 million, including all associated legal costs we have agreed to pay following your claim. We cover your legal liability to pay compensation for death or bodily injury to other people, or loss or damage to their property resulting from an incident which happens anywhere in Australia or
New Zealand during the period of insurance"


....

"a kite designed to be held by a person on land or attached to a non-motor powered watercraft (e.g. a surf kite). "


Thats the shot, can you share the company, im interested!!

Elroy Jetson
WA, 706 posts
12 Aug 2014 7:17PM
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My Kite is designed to be attached to or held by a person on the water. Would I be included in the above Home and contents Insurance policy?

kite4fun
WA, 16 posts
12 Aug 2014 10:05PM
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Elroy Jetson said..
My Kite is designed to be attached to or held by a person on the water. Would I be included in the above Home and contents Insurance policy?


there are is additional detail in the policy for clarifying what watercraft activities are covered - surfboard, wave board....

Remember this is just an opinion on sea breeze forum not sea breeze legal advice. ;-)
Need to checkout your policy and talk with your insurer.

getfunky
WA, 4485 posts
13 Aug 2014 8:20AM
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Thanks for the info K4F

And as for legally binding:

wakitesurfingassociation.createsend.com/t/ViewEmailArchive/r/45994DDC2E6CC6472540EF23F30FEDED/C67FD2F38AC4859C/

Point number 26 seems compelling.

dusta
WA, 2940 posts
13 Aug 2014 10:01AM
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getfunky said..
Thanks for the info K4F

And as for legally binding:

wakitesurfingassociation.createsend.com/t/ViewEmailArchive/r/45994DDC2E6CC6472540EF23F30FEDED/C67FD2F38AC4859C/

Point number 26 seems compelling.


so are you going to demand to view all the WAKSA documents GF ?

getfunky
WA, 4485 posts
13 Aug 2014 3:32PM
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dusta said..



getfunky said..
Thanks for the info K4F

And as for legally binding:

wakitesurfingassociation.createsend.com/t/ViewEmailArchive/r/45994DDC2E6CC6472540EF23F30FEDED/C67FD2F38AC4859C/

Point number 26 seems compelling.





so are you going to demand to view all the WAKSA documents GF ?




No of course not but I have finally had a contact via PM here on SB from WAKSA, who asked me to write to them again.
BTW, what happened to you sending the details to me?

TBH my questions are well documented here, they are not difficult (if WAKSA wishes the facts to be released) and I've already asked the same (twice) via official pathways on the WAKSA site, so why don't they just give me the frkn details??

As it says in my link above they are duty bound to provide replies to reasonable requests.

Now I'm prepared to give some slack (although it appears slack is the word synonymous with WAKSA) that the committee was changing over yada yada but months later and after posting yet another WAKSA comp thread they finally PM and ask me to ask me to send in the questions again.

Pffft.. c'mon, how deeply buried is that WAKSA finger anyway!?

What I feel we need is another comp, and the insurance involved, for a small number of kiters/members BUT paid for by all WAKSA members..
Yeh, that seems to be the answer.







Gawd. Please reload and shoot the other foot of please WAKSA.

AND I used to be a BIG advocate for WAKSA.

getfunky
WA, 4485 posts
14 Aug 2014 2:47PM
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UPDATE:
Have had an email from the WAKSA Prez and will stay quite here whilst I give him time to sort it out.
Shouldn't take more than a week or so to answer my reasonable questions.

I should point out the lack of communication shenanigans and the surrounding issues date back a fair while now, so lets hope the new committee etc can start to listen to genuine concerns and the wishes of the majority of members.

Fingers, toes and any other paired items are crossed.

RussC
WA, 69 posts
18 Aug 2014 5:38PM
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i don't read this forum much, but just saw the thread when looking at the winter comp post. Thought this might be of interest for the guys following this

I have run the surf comps for WAKSA for 5 years now. Thats what I volunteer to do for WAKSA and our WA kitesurfing community because I enjoy competitive surfing and kitesurfing. Same for the guys who help me. All the surf comps run over this time have pretty much been run on a break even basis. The entry fees from the competitors cover the cost of trophies and other cost like PA hire. Prizes are covered by our fantastic sponsor KA who makes sure everyone who competes get a prize. We have had up to 100/ 150 people on the beach at the Wedge comp and everyone seemed to enjoy it.

WAKSA is well regarded by the various councils and DEC which makes the approval and risk management process that goes on behind every comp easy. For those who do compete, insurance is important. God forbid, if we ever do have an accident, I will be the one who will have to explain our risk management procedures and show they were applied. It's not hard for me to check that a competitor is a WAKSA member, checking other policies on the beach at wedge in a 20 knot breeze is a bit daunting

I understand that some of the guys writing are not interested in comps, for those guys, I just wanted you to know that your membership fees are not being spent on surf comps and the sound foundation WAKSA provides groups who want to run events Like surf comps

Russ



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