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Created by aus230 > 9 months ago, 4 Dec 2015
aus230
WA, 1659 posts
21 Dec 2015 7:26PM
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I know see how the steering works, I hope mine is stiff enough with all the bracing. thanks for the pics.

Happy Xmas and new year AUS230

frogy
42 posts
22 Dec 2015 5:38PM
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BJR,
Some others pics.? Note the brake lever to slow down the sail rope on the second steering wheel: sort of clamcleet ancestor...














landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
22 Dec 2015 6:28PM
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is it just me or is the future of landasailing on lefroy about to go strangely sideways.
im assuming its white shirts ,waistcoats,polished leather shoes, and cloth caps,or flying goggles from here on in

aus230
WA, 1659 posts
22 Dec 2015 7:01PM
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Certainly taxing the brain, Lot of fun to research and build. Pretty well gone as far as i can go on the 5.6 and class5, I thought why not go back to the beginning, could be a lot of fun. start building guys. and white shirts ,waistcoats,polished leather shoes, and cloth caps,or flying goggles from here on in

aus230
WA, 1659 posts
22 Dec 2015 7:05PM
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Thanks for the info Frogy, All info really helps.
Cheers
Vic
AUS230

aus230
WA, 1659 posts
22 Dec 2015 7:07PM
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Got your message Chook, I owe you one.
Cheers
Vic
AUS230

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
22 Dec 2015 7:46PM
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landyacht said..
is it just me or is the future of landasailing on lefroy about to go strangely sideways.
im assuming its white shirts ,waistcoats,polished leather shoes, and cloth caps,or flying goggles from here on in


just so we are sure, three buttons on waistcoats, belts AND braces
passenger seat compulsory?. if no passenger a wicker basket MUST be in the passengers place?

Chook2
WA, 1244 posts
22 Dec 2015 10:18PM
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landyacht said..
just so we are sure, three buttons on waistcoats, belts AND braces




You are a fashion snob Mr Day!!!

I'm loving this thread Vic and Frogy thanks for all your photographs.

Frogy is the rear passenger able to hold the sides of the chassis and push with his legs to get moving?
Is that the idea of the forward foot rest and no floor?

aus230
WA, 1659 posts
22 Dec 2015 10:33PM
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bit of history of why this yacht interested me


HISTORY
The first documented land-sailing races took place in 1898, between Louis Bleriot, a famous French aviator, and the Dumond brothers of Belgium, some of the first automobile makers.

Modern sand yachting was born between the French and Belgian beaches. In 1913, the aviator Louis Bleriot
founded Aeroplage In the same year he was one of 43 pilots on the starting line of the first international competition

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
23 Dec 2015 3:06PM
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Chook2 said..


landyacht said..
just so we are sure, three buttons on waistcoats, belts AND braces






You are a fashion snob Mr Day!!!

I'm loving this thread Vic and Frogy thanks for all your photographs.

Frogy is the rear passenger able to hold the sides of the chassis and push with his legs to get moving?
Is that the idea of the forward foot rest and no floor?



you might be right on the pushing thing . you may have noted that in the french history thread they refer to the yachts being rowed and sailed. they must have had some kind of mechanism (like a pedal car) as you can see the kids leaning to row.
all timber to be varnished, all paint work to be early 1900's.
all sails to have 2 spars,plus the mast.
obviously no aluminium

aus230
WA, 1659 posts
23 Dec 2015 8:36PM
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Bit more today, could not do any grinding due to hot weather conditions (fire ban)
Steering wheel( has to be sanded and finished)
Down haul wheel, (lot of work to do on that yet.
Fitted seat mounting back bracket,these have to be finished of.
Scrounged up some steel for wheel axles, Waiting for larger ID bearings to arrive

Have to figure out how to make this down haul clutch, it is really quite smart I think.















frogy
42 posts
23 Dec 2015 11:19PM
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Voila!














frogy
42 posts
23 Dec 2015 11:34PM
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some others weird ones:










Chook2
WA, 1244 posts
24 Dec 2015 6:58AM
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WOW!!!!

They are fantastic Frogy. Thanks for sharing.
I do love the mainsheet ratchet with "quick release and bungy return", (that's what the foot pedal does??) in the last photo.

Hiko
1229 posts
24 Dec 2015 7:42AM
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Looks like the foot pedal is the drag on the ground brake to me. The mainsheet quick release is the hand lever i think
But Quelle Horreur !!! Le Plastique on show !!!
Interesting photos

Test pilot 1
WA, 1430 posts
24 Dec 2015 10:04PM
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Definitely a "sand" brake, would bounce off the salt! haha

sn
WA, 2775 posts
24 Dec 2015 10:30PM
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Hey - Vic,

I just noticed there is a finger splice join in the chassis timber, is that anywhere near a stress point?
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Any rules [or recommendations] regarding tyre and wheel size?

Would regular motorcycle wheels do the job?

This makes me wish I was back at Leederville Tech!
When I was doing my apprenticeship, the Tech. boss had a stash of teak that I was allowed to plunder for special projects [doors for an early chevy, replacement chassis rails for a pommy car, roof for a model T]

Might have to speak to the Nuns and see if I can borrow some space in the old chapel [our "new" workshop]


stephen

Hiko
1229 posts
25 Dec 2015 5:51AM
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Vic are you going to make rope bound varnished wooden sheave blocks like that white delight has ?
A fleet of those yachts would be great to see out racing
Notice where they have the mast stepped we seem to be trending back to forward mast step position again

aus230
WA, 1659 posts
25 Dec 2015 7:14PM
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The finger joint is only a thin piece on the main frame to make it about 10mm wider the main timber is solid with no joints.
I am using 17"motorcycle wheel I think they will be plenty strong enough, I love the wood blokes but will be sometime down the road as I have not the finance to purchase these.

sn
WA, 2775 posts
25 Dec 2015 11:19PM
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Any rough dimensions?

width of front and rear axles?
width of chassis? [guessing wide enough to fit pilot is near enough]
overall length?


kinda leaning towards the tapered rear chassis style myself.

just wait until the Sandwichmaker hears about this


stephen

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
29 Dec 2015 10:59AM
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sn said..
Any rough dimensions?

width of front and rear axles?
width of chassis? [guessing wide enough to fit pilot is near enough]
overall length?


kinda leaning towards the tapered rear chassis style myself.

just wait until the Sandwichmaker hears about this


stephen



weve already agreed on them being 2 seaters sn lets not go changing the rules now. weve always needed a non selfish set of 2 seaters out sailing.
vic those wooden blocks would be so easy to make. its simply 2 wooden cheeks and a sheave inside. the rope or wire simply stops the blocks from splitting.
how about we see how vics machine finishes and go from there . if those wheels and his bigger axles stand the pace then we could all use the same. It would be great to them as a 1 design

sn
WA, 2775 posts
29 Dec 2015 6:19PM
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landyacht said..

It would be great to them as a 1 design


Point taken!

Always reckoned there is a need for 2 seaters.


Out of curiosity - Do you reckon it would be do-able, to lock the rear axle [so it doesn't pivot], unbolt the front axle, stow the mast, sail and front axle lengthways on top of the yacht - and hook a drawbar on the front of the chassis?

or -

have a narrower front axle that can be swapped with the wider "sailing axle" without too much fuss, leave the pivoting rear axle in place, and hook a drawbar to the rear of the chassis [tow it backwards]


Thinking about rego'ing as a trailer for easier transport




stephen

aus230
WA, 1659 posts
29 Dec 2015 7:11PM
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rough measurments
Length 2.4m
width .70m
mast 4m
gaff 4.5m
boom 3m
weight ?

aus230
WA, 1659 posts
29 Dec 2015 7:13PM
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rough measurments
Length 2.4m
width .70m
mast 4m
gaff 4.5m
boom 3m
weight ?
front axle to outside of wheels 2.5m.
Bearings arrived today, they are for gokarts 35mm od x17mm id. restricted by the 35mm bearings fitted to the motorcycle wheels.

aus230
WA, 1659 posts
30 Dec 2015 7:04PM
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Been a bit of fun this one, making the steering wheel took some time, I am glad it is now on wheels and can get it out of the shed to work on. May change the bracing under the front axle, it has enough clearance but does not look quite right.

Froggy how is the rebuild going.






Test pilot 1
WA, 1430 posts
31 Dec 2015 1:22AM
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Lookin good Vic!

searunner
64 posts
31 Dec 2015 9:53AM
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Lovin it. Looks like new old. Do I see a hollow mast? The steering wheel is great. Great work.

aus230
WA, 1659 posts
31 Dec 2015 5:50PM
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Thanks, the mast is hollow. Happy New Year everyone

landyacht
WA, 5921 posts
31 Dec 2015 9:46PM
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gobsmacked

Chook2
WA, 1244 posts
1 Jan 2016 9:17AM
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Power to the "Stern Steerers"!!!!!! Onya Vic.



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