This keel removal happend last week apparently after hitting a reef. And I wonder if that back hoe will pull her up onto the dock? , disposable.com yachts! 
Hi southace
You have your excavators and backhoes confused
This is what a backhoe looks like
Regards Don
Select to expand quoteDonk107 said..
Hi southace
You have your excavators and backhoes confused
This is what a backhoe looks like
Regards Don
Yes nice deflection from the Bendy Boat story Donk 
Select to expand quoteMadmouse said..
Incredible. Do you think thats a standard Beneteau? Very little structure there.
Yes I agree, it looks very light on. Is that a ply core? What size is the boat?
Select to expand quote2bish said..Madmouse said..
Incredible. Do you think thats a standard Beneteau? Very little structure there.
Yes I agree, it looks very light on. Is that a ply core? What size is the boat?
What size boat ?????
Its pretty small, maybe just "capsize"
After reading an article, and not being a boat builder I can't verify it , these modern yachts are built as close to the standard as possible , meaning only just , they have to make a profit.
Subsequently from the very first grounding they drop from the standard far quicker than the older over built boats.
High aspect ratio keels mounted on a narrow base at the hull is recipe for failure. The benefit is better performance, but you take your chances if you hit anything.
However, that structure does look particularly light.
I've been told on numerous occasions, that the ones built before the GFC (2008) were better because they were built to a recipe, not a price.
So as a few people here have already mentioned, profits before quality and at a risk of peoples lives.
So, is there any evidence that pre GFC mass produced yachts are constructed any better?
It's worth noting that poor maintenance, works undertaken by unskilled trades and no engineer signoff on major mods have been a root cause for keel failures too, it's not just the manufacturers.
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It's worth noting that poor maintenance, works undertaken by unskilled trades and no engineer signoff on major mods have been a root cause for keel failures too, it's not just the manufacturers.
Thats why l though maybe it wasnt a standard boat. Is the article available?
Looking at the photo just screams to me stress concentration where the keel joins the hull. If I was designing something like that I would either put a wide flare at the top of the keel, or carry the keel up into the hull and build a box around it which could be suitably braced to the hull.
Not all Benetaus will sink after a keel loss. It might have been one of the pre GFC Benetaus that I read about a few years ago that was being bare-boat chartered out of southern U.K.
It had been out on three charters before the operators discovered the keel had fallen off on the charter prior to those three. 
I would never trust a cast iron keel if it was anything like the one in freerad's post.
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Not all Benetaus will sink after a keel loss. It might have been one of the pre GFC Benetaus that I read about a few years ago that was being bare-boat chartered out of southern U.K.
It had been out on three charters before the operators discovered the keel had fallen off on the charter prior to those three.
I would never trust a cast iron keel if it was anything like the one in freerad's post.
Hi Cisco
Was it this Jeanneau that you are thinking about www.yachtingmonthly.com/specials/sailing-100-miles-without-a-keel-30486
Regards Don
When questioned for the second time he admitted he had grounded lightly and was upset that any one would think he had tried to cover up anything 
Ha ha can imagine the phone call the keel is missing !!!!!!
I assume they will go and find the keel and glue it back on. Probably with PVA, qualities not important to them.
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Was it this Jeanneau that you are thinking about www.yachtingmonthly.com/specials/sailing-100-miles-without-a-keel-30486
That would have to be it.
Select to expand quoteDonk107 said..cisco said..
Not all Benetaus will sink after a keel loss. It might have been one of the pre GFC Benetaus that I read about a few years ago that was being bare-boat chartered out of southern U.K.
It had been out on three charters before the operators discovered the keel had fallen off on the charter prior to those three.
I would never trust a cast iron keel if it was anything like the one in freerad's post.
Hi Cisco
Was it this Jeanneau that you are thinking about www.yachtingmonthly.com/specials/sailing-100-miles-without-a-keel-30486
Regards Don
Isn't this in fact BS?
I read somewhere (can't find it now) it was a made up story which kinda rings true, it's a 6 tonne boat with a 2 tonne keel (when attached) and 3 paid skippers didn't notice... Not very plausible. Sure it would have pretty good initial form stability but that wouldn't last long once some flappy things were raised.
Edit: in fact wouldn't it be near impossible to manoeuvre, how the hell would you get it out of the marina without noticing that it doesn't pivot near the centre like it should?
Select to expand quotesparau said..Donk107 said..cisco said..
Not all Benetaus will sink after a keel loss. It might have been one of the pre GFC Benetaus that I read about a few years ago that was being bare-boat chartered out of southern U.K.
It had been out on three charters before the operators discovered the keel had fallen off on the charter prior to those three.
I would never trust a cast iron keel if it was anything like the one in freerad's post.
Hi Cisco
Was it this Jeanneau that you are thinking about www.yachtingmonthly.com/specials/sailing-100-miles-without-a-keel-30486
Regards Don
Isn't this in fact BS?
I read somewhere (can't find it now) it was a made up story which kinda rings true, it's a 6 tonne boat with a 2 tonne keel (when attached) and 3 paid skippers didn't notice... Not very plausible. Sure it would have pretty good initial form stability but that wouldn't last long once some flappy things were raised.
Edit: in fact wouldn't it be near impossible to manoeuvre, how the hell would you get it out of the marina without noticing that it doesn't pivot near the centre like it should?
Yeah slightly fake news I think. As if!
Select to expand quotesparau said..Donk107 said..cisco said..
Not all Benetaus will sink after a keel loss. It might have been one of the pre GFC Benetaus that I read about a few years ago that was being bare-boat chartered out of southern U.K.
It had been out on three charters before the operators discovered the keel had fallen off on the charter prior to those three.
I would never trust a cast iron keel if it was anything like the one in freerad's post.
Hi Cisco
Was it this Jeanneau that you are thinking about www.yachtingmonthly.com/specials/sailing-100-miles-without-a-keel-30486
Regards Don
Isn't this in fact BS?
I read somewhere (can't find it now) it was a made up story which kinda rings true, it's a 6 tonne boat with a 2 tonne keel (when attached) and 3 paid skippers didn't notice... Not very plausible. Sure it would have pretty good initial form stability but that wouldn't last long once some flappy things were raised.
Edit: in fact wouldn't it be near impossible to manoeuvre, how the hell would you get it out of the marina without noticing that it doesn't pivot near the centre like it should?
Hi Sparau
Not sure if the story is true or not but the way i read it the first person lost it , the second person said that there was a problem with the steering and was told to get it checked out but didn't and the third person said that there was a problem and bought the boat back and were given a replacement boat
The boat was then lifted and the keel was found to be missing
The story says the last charter was with a paid skipper and mentioned the word skipper (although this might just refer to the person who chartered it if it was a bare boat) in the second charter but doesn't mention a paid skipper in the first one
Regards Don
Know someone who chartered a sailing cat in the Whitsundays and never raised the sails. People do strange things.
I think the story is plausible. It was published in Yachting Monthly and I am sure they did some fact checking.
A bit of a forum discussion here forums.ybw.com/index.php?threads/cornish-cruising-has-incredibly-safe-boats.247439/ on the Jeanneau with the missing keel
Regards Don
With out reading into that Donk most yachts with a keel will keel over once the keel is removed, thank god mine is encapsulated with a ton of fresh water adding to the ballast!
