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How safe do you think your AIS is?

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Created by Ramona > 9 months ago, 17 Sep 2017
Ramona
NSW, 7584 posts
17 Sep 2017 5:48PM
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I was on a warship that ran aground on an uncharted "rock" in the Malacca Straits in 1966, I know how these people feel! Looks like modern warships AIS is safe from hacking but ordinary commercial AIS is a different story.

conservativedailypost.com/investigators-reveal-new-fear-aftermath-navy-destroyer-accident-goes-viral/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=CD&utm_campaign=Mark

cisco
QLD, 12336 posts
17 Sep 2017 10:21PM
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How safe do I think my AIS is??

If I had one, I don't think it would be as safe as keeping a good lookout.

FreeRadical
WA, 855 posts
17 Sep 2017 9:14PM
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The US navy are bringing back celestial navigation skills. Doesn't diminish keeping a good lookout for collisions though!

What about radar? My little 11yr old Raymarine plotter/radar will show AIS traffic but also shows radar returns that it can track, providing bearing/range/speed/course/CPA/TCPA. Before the AIS was installed when we had just bought our boat, the radar MARPA system worked a treat. E.g. Picked up a small fishing trawler a few miles out during low vis misty rain, adjusted course to steer clear and out it popped visibly 1/4 mile away.

www.npr.org/2016/02/22/467210492/u-s-navy-brings-back-navigation-by-the-stars-for-officers

Ilenart
WA, 250 posts
17 Sep 2017 9:18PM
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This is garbage / fake news

Notes: The Conservative Daily Post is a news and opinion website that is hard to determine if it is satire or real. If it is real then it is off the charts with right wing propaganda and conspiracy. Others have classified this website as fake news. Has a poor record with both Snopes and Politifact. Was recently added to Politifact's Fake News List. (11/4/2016) Updated (6/19/2017)


mediabiasfactcheck.com/conservative-daily-post/

Trek
NSW, 1149 posts
18 Sep 2017 12:47AM
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Many radio data. links transmit their information by "spread spectrum". This means the transmitter shifts its frequency many times in a second (10000 maybe) and the remote receiver knows where to listen for the next transmission thanks to a coded key in the data so can recover the message. But an external person who wants to jam a link like that has trouble because he doesnt know what frequency when. If jyou try to "tune in" to such a signal you cant find it either. The GPS signal is like that and even better has multiple transmitters (satellites) so its hard to jam. AIS uses one HF frequency to transmit its data so is easy to jam or muckup with erroneous information intentional or accidental. So its not very safe.

Ramona
NSW, 7584 posts
18 Sep 2017 8:08AM
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Ilenart said..
This is garbage / fake news

Notes: The Conservative Daily Post is a news and opinion website that is hard to determine if it is satire or real. If it is real then it is off the charts with right wing propaganda and conspiracy. Others have classified this website as fake news. Has a poor record with both Snopes and Politifact. Was recently added to Politifact's Fake News List. (11/4/2016) Updated (6/19/2017)


mediabiasfactcheck.com/conservative-daily-post/


The accidents were very real and so are the investigations.

Queequeg
NSW, 37 posts
18 Sep 2017 4:45PM
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This article is from Cornell Uni 2013 , bit technical but worth the effort, short answer is don't put your trust in only one source.
http://blogs.cornell.edu/yachts****/

or search "A Red Team, a Blue Team, and the White Rose"

HG02
VIC, 5814 posts
19 Sep 2017 4:00AM
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Defence change them where they want

boty
QLD, 685 posts
19 Sep 2017 8:45AM
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maybe i should have a tech head in the race crew to stuff with the oppositions gadgets or we could revert to real navigation again

andy59
QLD, 1153 posts
20 Sep 2017 8:25AM
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Interesting article, goes to show nothing is foolproof, but I hope no one would be persuaded that an AIS transceiver is not one the best pieces of safety/navigational equipment you can have on your boat. Even if it is only 99.9% effective, hell even if it was only 50% effective, It makes a massive difference to know with certainty the course and speed of targets, even ones that are visible. In small boats anything you can do to increase your visibility is worthwhile, and nothing increases your visibility like constantly transmitting your position, course and speed.

HG02
VIC, 5814 posts
20 Sep 2017 2:54PM
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andy59 said..
Interesting article, goes to show nothing is foolproof, but I hope no one would be persuaded that an AIS transceiver is not one the best pieces of safety/navigational equipment you can have on your boat. Even if it is only 99.9% effective, hell even if it was only 50% effective, It makes a massive difference to know with certainty the course and speed of targets, even ones that are visible. In small boats anything you can do to increase your visibility is worthwhile, and nothing increases your visibility like constantly transmitting your position, course and speed.


fore while there Andy I thought you were rounding up beef cattle out in the India ocean doing circle work
watching you on the map

Chris 249
NSW, 3350 posts
20 Sep 2017 5:38PM
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andy59 said..
Interesting article, goes to show nothing is foolproof, but I hope no one would be persuaded that an AIS transceiver is not one the best pieces of safety/navigational equipment you can have on your boat. Even if it is only 99.9% effective, hell even if it was only 50% effective, It makes a massive difference to know with certainty the course and speed of targets, even ones that are visible. In small boats anything you can do to increase your visibility is worthwhile, and nothing increases your visibility like constantly transmitting your position, course and speed.


Dunno, I can't recall any collisions between yachts and ships off Oz before we had AIS.

andy59
QLD, 1153 posts
21 Sep 2017 6:48AM
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HG02 said..
fore while there Andy I thought you were rounding up beef cattle out in the India ocean doing circle work
watching you on the map




What are you talking about?


Ramona
NSW, 7584 posts
21 Sep 2017 5:36PM
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The US navy is altering it's watch keeping system to ensure sailors get more sleep. What is interesting in the article is the US navy is going to install AIS!

www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2017/09/20/navy-issues-new-sleep-and-watch-schedule-rules-for-the-surface-fleet/

andy59
QLD, 1153 posts
21 Sep 2017 6:54PM
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Ramona said..
The US navy is altering it's watch keeping system to ensure sailors get more sleep. What is interesting in the article is the US navy is going to install AIS!

www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2017/09/20/navy-issues-new-sleep-and-watch-schedule-rules-for-the-surface-fleet/


"We had a distorted perception of operational security, that we kept that system off our warships," he told the Senate Armed Services Committee during a Navy readiness hearing."

WTF!!! I thought they had the option to go silent with the AIS but I had no idea they were running around without AIS. Welcome to the 21st century US Navy, things should be a bit better for you now.



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