Opinions on boats for blue water cruising

Hi all still getting through the amount of information and learning as much as I can. Got onto a crew for a winter comp out of

RANSA starting this weekend so very happy to get hours up on the water and learn as much as I can. My family are very

supportive even putting money aside when I decide to do a proper course later on.

Well question is about boat and which one I have noticed good ocean boats such as s&s34, Arends, Brolga, Nantucket 33

and Albin Vega 27 to name a few good vessels.


But what would be wrong with something like this Boro temptress given the price is low but its the material specs etc I'm

interested in and why one would steer away from this kind of purchase?

http://www.boatpoint.com.au/boats-for-sale/dealer/used/OAG-AD-873841/1983-BORO-TEMPTRESS-34?WT.seg_4=PriceAlert%3BPCAA



This thread would be good for any beginner such as myself to start from and the insight from this forums members would be

great information.

Thanks Jorge

Built 1983 in steel very possible has some rust some where in the hull or keel

You get what you pay for Morning bird is on the money when he said preprepared to spend money. The less you spend on your boat when you buy it means to make it sea worth and safe you coulds easily spend just as much again in preparation

Jorge, don't be put off - go the albin vega - legendary !

Get yourself one of these little jiggers, a Lotus 9.2, the biggest little 30 footer around.

Able to withstand three whale strikes in a row, able to be dragged over Fijian reefs and not take a drop of water, able to take 180 degree knock downs in 60 knots of wind leaving Noumea and come up smiling, able to survive cabin fires, be written off by insurance companies and then be rejuvenated by faithful owners, able to win short handed offshore races........SUPER YACHT, the Lotus 9.2 while in the guise of a mild mannered inshore family cruiser fights a never ending battle for truth, justice and the sailor's way.

See.....Boating New Zealand, January 2012, page 114, MY Boat...Kirsten J.

Here is mine. My Second Wind.




She just looks like she is going fast when she sitting still and she got Red Velvet upholstery.

http://yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/lotus-9-2/164105

yachthub.com/list/yachts-for-sale/used/sail-monohulls/lotus-9-2/153751

Great videos, really enjoyed them.
Gorge, a steel boat would be great sailing around icebergs, but fibreglass is lower maitainence and easy to repair, I figure if you are looking around the sub 30K you are going to be doing a lot of work to make it seaworthy and a fibreglass boat makes more sense. Often it can be much cheaper to spend more at the beginning buying a boat that has requires less work but then again its better to have a boat that needs work than not to have one at all. Just remeber if any project on a boat takes twice as long and costs half as you thought it would then your doing fine. Good luck

i recall your first post stating your are looking at sailing over the horizon with your small family and dog?

The suggested boats on this new post seem to be around the 27 foot to 35 foot....now this is not impossible but in reality if your moving from a large house into a small rocking Pod this can be quite overwhelming!

I moved from a 4 bedroom house into a 37 foot duncanson raised deck......for me it was simple as I was single, not that tall and had previous experience camping on small yachts.

I lasted 6 years aboard solo most of the time , I experienced some amazing cruising but also some bouts of depression. So the decision was made to sell up and up size.

After loading 420kg worth of books,dive gear,personal processions onto my new larger 42 foot yacht I'm still scratching my head trying to find room, swearing and cursing when rumiging in a locker looking for something.....etc. however bumping head has improved and even some of my 6 foot bikie friends dont have that problem anymore.

What I would suggest is find a boat 4 sale under 35 foot and take the misses/wife/dog and child and arrange a viewing. Have a look at wardrobe space, the size of beds, size of galley , size of cockpit and saloon areas, head and shower. And try picture your family living in these conditions for a long period of time?

Im not trying to be negative here but just sharing my experience as most of my previous girlfriends and myself lived out of bags while aboard the 37 footer and on my 42 there's basicly only enough wardrobe room for my own belongings again!

Hi Jorge,

I'm in Double Bay just around from ransa. If you'd like to come have a look at / sail on my 31 footer (Adams 31 cc) sometime, just PM me.

Rog

This is where the rubber meets the road.

If starting boating late in life you need to make the best choice possible for your first yacht and be prepared to own it long term.

The yacht market is very flat and it can be easy to buy but very difficult to sell. There are still some very good bargains out there. keep a good eye on Gumtree and Ebay.

Even though I bought my yacht at a fairly good price for a yacht that was ready to go, it still needs considerable money ( say $5k to $10k) spent on it but more importantly a lot of time to get her up to scratch and the way I want her.

You will no doubt go through the same process.

Take note of Southace's words re living out of a bag (a small one at that). I lived out of a bag on my 42 footer, and that was in the tropics where not many clothes were needed.

For you, wife and two kids I suggest nothing less than 30 foot and nothing more than 40 foot with something in the middle of that being close to ideal. A very roomy yacht in that size is the Van De Stadt 34.

A few examples.

http://www.boatpoint.com.au/boats-for-sale/results?BoatType=Sail&Make=VAN%20DE%20STADT&LengthInFeet_Min=33&LengthInFeet_Max=35&SiloType_Demo-and-near-new-boats=true&SiloType_Dealer-new-boats=true&SiloType_Dealer-used-boats=true&SiloType_Private-used-boats=true

This one looks reasonable for the price and it is in steel.

www.boatpoint.com.au/boats-for-sale/dealer/used/OAG-AD-808745/1988-VAN-DE-STADT-34-SLOOP?

A few more examples.

Temugin in aluminium is a lovely example. The VDS 34 is one yacht that will have the room for a small family, be easy enough to handle and will perform.

The South Coast yachts are well regarded. I looked at a couple of 31s, I liked them.

Hi Romona,
South Coast 36. I have never owned or sailed on one but there was a time I considered buying one and looked at a few so here is what I thought of them.
VOLUME, plenty of it. They are big boats, even for a 36 footer.
SAIL AREA. Whether ketch or sloop, I think the boat would be generally under canvassed. My research at the time led me to believe that they were anything other than a good performer. You may not be interested in a performance boat but if you intend going offshore or long coastal trips then performance plays a part. You dont need a rocket but you DO need a passagemaker.
BUILD QUALITY. There was a bit of a mix in the build quality. I'm not sure whether all the hulls were produced in the one place or whether some were laid up independently but some were better than others.
FIT OUT. I saw one or two with extremely good fit outs and one or two more that a six year old could have done better.
Generally I think they are a very nice boat. The center cockpit and hard dodger are excellent for all season sailing, it has all the volume you could want but I think at the expense of sailing ability. One of the ones I looked at had a 20hp Bukh as its main motor and I would imagine that it would be extremely underpowered.
Thats just my point of view. Hopefully someone who has had one can comment from personal experience.

I have one of these Adams40s NowandZen so my opinion my be a bit one sided. They are a proven blue water boat with many having circumnavigated the world. I paid a lot more money for mine than this one is advertised and still had to do a lot of work. But even thought the prices have dropped a fair bit since I brought my boat, beware. You need to be able to inspect every inch of the steel interior. Mine was rusting from the inside out, but the guy who surveyed it told me it was in very good condition. This boat may in fact be a good one but make sure you factor in all those other thing$ you consider essential when doing up your budget.

Being steel means they will be a bit slower than the fibreglass Adams of similar length but it also means you get a more comfortable ride in rough weather. They have a lower centre of gravity than some of the more roomy (higher freeboard) production boats, which also adds to a more comfortable ride because the cockpit is lower. There is over 6ft head room in the main cabin but not in the forward V-Berth or aft cabin.

And in line with what southace said, no matter how big the boat is, you will fill it up with gear and still wish for more stowage space.

Even with 2 able bodied sailors on board, the boat has to be set up so it can be sailed by one person. Your wife. My hands a full lifting the main sail around and I'm glad its not a 45 footer. The Adams40 were considered a fast cruising boat and the hull shape means they don't need a massive rig to do this. Most marinas you go into have lots of 12m berths and so there is usually always room when needed.

My opinion (for what it's worth) based on talking to other sailors is that for 2 sailors a 37 to 42 foot boat is about right.

The boat you have shown here is a shoal draft and may have a swing keel (centreboard). Make sure you have a good look at this. Moving parts under the waterline could be an issue if not maintained properly.

Later this year I'm planning/hoping to take my Adams40 to the West Coast of NZ South Island (weather permitting) to check out places like Milford Sound after spending some time around New Caledonia till summer comes on. I'm 100% confident in the boat, it's just the guy hanging onto the the wheel that concerns me.

Good luck with the hunt and keep the dream alive

adams 35 are very good especially mine