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Splicing again!

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Created by southace > 9 months ago, 3 Feb 2015
southace
SA, 4776 posts
3 Feb 2015 6:24PM
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ok I have been talked into nylon rope for my anchor strop instead of polyester rope. i cant seem to splice it..any tips?


lloydyboy53
VIC, 49 posts
3 Feb 2015 7:40PM
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U-Tube! Three strand eye splice is on of the easiest.

southace
SA, 4776 posts
3 Feb 2015 7:13PM
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lloydyboy53 said..
U-Tube! Three strand eye splice is on of the easiest.


Been there done that, it seems impossible to splice ?

jbshack
WA, 6913 posts
3 Feb 2015 4:51PM
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southace said..

lloydyboy53 said..
U-Tube! Three strand eye splice is on of the easiest.



Been there done that, it seems impossible to splice ?


I use sticky tape. Make sure you melt the ends together and run sticky tape around were you want to start back on itself, so that it doesn't just keep unraveling. I also often will do a longer splice with not as mush pressure (Pull) on each stand, so that it also keeps its shape. Once it gets some load on the splice, it will tighten up evenly.


sirgallivant
NSW, 1531 posts
3 Feb 2015 8:07PM
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Perhaps www.animatedknots.com will help?

DrRog
NSW, 605 posts
3 Feb 2015 9:01PM
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What exactly is going wrong, South?

I've only done one but it worked. Only tips I have are keep ends melted / taped and twist the strands strongly as you splice to keep them looking vaguely like strands of nylon rather than spider webs or whatever.

Also, what's the rationale for nylon over poly for this use? I asked at Twitworths which fibre to use and the guy gave me a very crap answer.

SandS
VIC, 5904 posts
3 Feb 2015 9:02PM
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this thread should merge with the romance thread ................................................................tying the knot ?

Charriot
QLD, 880 posts
3 Feb 2015 8:26PM
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first row is critical, four rows needed


Meg1122
QLD, 285 posts
3 Feb 2015 9:30PM
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You might be able to ask around and find someone who knows how it's done (unless that's not a guy thing, like turning maps and reading instructions :), you might even be able to trick....I mean persuade them into doing it for you . I can splice but wouldn't have a clue how best to explain it to someone via this forum.

Twohull
QLD, 149 posts
3 Feb 2015 9:57PM
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Hi, my first nylon splices were not esteticaly pleasing, for better apearence and to cover unevenly twisted fibres, I did sliped double size hot shrink (electrical) and did splice best I could, then, after stres testing betwen car and the tree, on the lenght of splice I deposit fiew rows of hot glue (hot glue gun) when cold I did placed sleeve over splice and over hot air blower or cearfully over flame made sleve to shrink, at the same time hot glue melts to penetrate deeper into rope fibres and it is gluing itselfe to shrink tube. do not think it is profesional or seamanlike, but looks neat and will not slip.

nswsailor
NSW, 1434 posts
3 Feb 2015 11:07PM
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Ah... splicing is best learn't on your fathers knee, then used over a lifetime

Charriot
QLD, 880 posts
3 Feb 2015 10:20PM
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don't relax too much, next step is monkey fist


cisco
QLD, 12337 posts
3 Feb 2015 10:23PM
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After every third tuck of the strands, roll the splice under your foot on a hard surface. Makes for a neat and even looking splice.

southace
SA, 4776 posts
3 Feb 2015 11:11PM
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I don't think you understand , it's nylon rope the problem is the quality it falls apart .

jbshack
WA, 6913 posts
3 Feb 2015 9:11PM
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southace said..
I don't think you understand , it's nylon rope the problem is the quality it falls apart .


Yeah its cheap. Just do it and then heat shrink over the top. That always makes for a nice finish..

BlueMoon
866 posts
4 Feb 2015 4:09AM
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as mentioned before, use electrical tape, on each end of the three strands, & then again around the rope where you have unravelled the 3 strands to

Ramona
NSW, 7584 posts
4 Feb 2015 9:34AM
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Yep wrap them in tape. The critical part is shown in Chariot's first diagram of the first tuck. Laid across the main part the three strands, the middle one has to be tucked first then the other two in any order. The first tuck has to be right though or it will never look right.

crustysailor
VIC, 870 posts
4 Feb 2015 10:04AM
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Southace, I had the same problem when making up my mooring bridle with nylon

As soon as you separate out the 3 main strands, the individual strands lose any body and turn to mush, flaying out even if you do tape their ends.
It makes the final slice look pretty shabby, although it's strength has been ok (coming p to 2 seasons).
Apart from taping, the only thing I found helped slightly was to keep twisting the strands back into shape as you pull each thread through in the splice.
A bit hard to explain but hopefully you get the meaning.

Also I started the splices a lot further down, so that you are working with long ends. This means you've got plenty of length to work with, and having enough length to pull the splice tight helped. Then I just burnt of the excess with hot soldering iron to seal.

Datawiz
VIC, 605 posts
4 Feb 2015 10:19AM
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Crustysailor and Cisco's right Southace - keep twisting each strand as you go and roll the whole thing under your foot every couple of passes. Threading the strands is much easier if you put about 30 mm of heatshrink on their ends - stiffens them up so you can push them through.
keep at it.
Allan

Datawiz
VIC, 605 posts
4 Feb 2015 10:24AM
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Oh...and it also helps if you hang the loop over something so you can keep the strand your working on tightly twisted and under tension.
Allan

DrRog
NSW, 605 posts
4 Feb 2015 11:00AM
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DrRog said..

Only tips I have are keep ends melted / taped and twist the strands strongly as you splice to keep them looking vaguely like strands of nylon rather than spider webs or whatever.




(Cough-that's-what-i-said-cough). Just sayin'.

sirgallivant
NSW, 1531 posts
4 Feb 2015 11:27AM
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Never bothered with the modern stuff, I hope this would help.
My mate made two splices on my boat - the only ones I got - after this book, while sailing down from Qld.


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sirgallivant
NSW, 1531 posts
4 Feb 2015 11:40AM
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...few more...

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sirgallivant
NSW, 1531 posts
4 Feb 2015 11:45AM
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...the end is nigh...cheers! You deserve it!

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sirgallivant
NSW, 1531 posts
4 Feb 2015 11:46AM
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DrRog
NSW, 605 posts
4 Feb 2015 12:38PM
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Thanks for that post, sirgallivant.

The very first picture has an error - text says fibres into threads into strands into ropes but the diagram wrongly identifies threads and strands.

The last picture is also wrong.

McNaughtical
NSW, 908 posts
4 Feb 2015 1:33PM
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Great Sir Gallivant.... I will be going back to this thread next time I do a splice. Great Book.

and Lol... to the suggestion about merging this with the romance thread

dralyagmas
SA, 380 posts
4 Feb 2015 1:33PM
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I have just done a heap of this. The best resource that I have found is a youtube video called splicing 3 strand for dummies. Its a bit long but it shows in good detail how to get the crown right then after that its just poking each one through in sequence

Charriot
QLD, 880 posts
4 Feb 2015 1:07PM
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Romance starts when each of us finish 2 glasses

McNaughtical
NSW, 908 posts
4 Feb 2015 2:56PM
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Was that romance with the lady carrying all those glasses? ... half each??

Charriot
QLD, 880 posts
4 Feb 2015 2:05PM
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McNice don't belive what you see, picture is fake.



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