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The Top Hat 25

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Created by MichaelR > 9 months ago, 8 Jul 2009
MichaelR
NSW, 855 posts
8 Jul 2009 12:14PM
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Following on from Peter (Cisco's) request for more information about the Top Hat 25, here is what I know.

These boats were originally designed by John Illingworth, of Primrose and Illingworth in the UK. John was one of the initiators of the Hobart race. They were designed to be a family friendly cruising/racing yacht capable of handling anything Port Phillip Bay could dish up. The first being built in the UK and then a few cold moulded in Victoria. In the late 60s they took a mould and the first full fibreglass models were made in Sydney, then later in Wyong by Form-it Fibreglass. All together there were 5 versions, pre Mark 1, Mark I, II and III, plus a couple of 27s.

There are some fascinating stories of Top Hat adventures, but the best so far is the circumnavigation by Ian and Jan Mitchell in a 1964 model that they took west from Pittwater in 1974, spending 38 days crossing the Indian Ocean, then living in Durban whilst she gave birth, rounding the cape then travelling to the Carribbean with a new born, then being pregnant again on the last leg between NZ and Australia. You can read the articles here. homepage.mac.com/clatimer/TopHatYachts/FileSharing11.html

Some may say they were completely mad, but they managed to make it and have a great adventure into the bargain. Had they been in a less sturdy vessel, perhaps not so lucky. I wonder if any of us here would attempt such a venture these days.

There is a world of information at Wikipedia and at dicksimonyachts.com/

So far I have had to do very little. Had the bottom cleaned by a diver, although she was anti-fouled in January.

The sails are a bit old and dirty, the boom cover not so great, the toe rails and hand rails need an oiling or some varnish and the deck is a little chalky. The rig is about 10 years old, but seems pretty solid and whilst the running rig is a bit grubby it will do for a short coastal run and around the harbour. She is also dry, there are no deck leaks, nor sea cock problems and the bilges are bone dry. The 150 odd litre water tank is set in the foot of the cabin over the 48% ballast full keel. So she's pretty stiff, although a little slow in the acceleration stakes. Light winds pointing close, she's brilliant, not so good downwind unless you pole the #2 or fly the spinnaker.

Actually, so far we've spent more time sailing and having fun than any tinkering, but it's only tinkering for the moment that she needs.

She came with a newish 8hp 4 stroke Tohatsu, tillerpilot, stainless bbq, new compass, potti, metho stove, an old radio that works I believe. Basic safety gear, #2 on the furler, storm jib, spinnaker and a luff battened main in lazy jacks.

So, for my $10k, I reckon I've done pretty well and if I ever have to sell, she won't be in any worse condition, so I may even make a little on the purchase price.

Finally, here is my Dulcamara. The name is a contraction of Latin - Dolce = Sweet, Amore = Love. It was named that by the previous to the previous owners. She's moored near Drummoyne at present, but will be moving to Pittwater when the days become longer.




cisco
QLD, 12342 posts
9 Jul 2009 3:09PM
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Beautiful Michael, for $10k I think you have done really well. Just my taste only but the yacht name as it is seems too large. I would have it in 80-100 mm lettering on each side at the bow and on the transom.

The information you have posted is exactly what people like to know, ie origins of the design, it's further development and noteable voyages of the design. Thank you very much.

There are some fascinating stories of Top Hat adventures, but the best so far is the circumnavigation by Ian and Jan Mitchell in a 1964 model that they took west from Pittwater in 1974, spending 38 days crossing the Indian Ocean, then living in Durban whilst she gave birth, rounding the cape then travelling to the Carribbean with a new born, then being pregnant again on the last leg between NZ and Australia.

Well we know what they did to relieve the boredom of the doldrums.

MichaelR
NSW, 855 posts
9 Jul 2009 5:09PM
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Hey Peter, I know what you mean about the name, and yes it's coming off as soon as I get the chance and she's off the mooring in the main channel.

I was actually going to do exactly as you suggested, and perhaps add a small brass plate to the transom somewhere.

Time is the essence, I'd rather sail than make cosmetic changes just yet.... we're still working out how we want her to look and what is really important.

Thanks for the compliments.

Michael

Almostfinished
28 posts
9 Jul 2009 7:07PM
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Hi Micheal, your boat looks very nice, i like the colours too with the wood toe rails.

Is this your first boat or have you owned a few before?

Cheers

Tim

wongaga
VIC, 626 posts
10 Jul 2009 10:47AM
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Good for you - great buy at the price. There's a Toppie for sale at Brighton (in Melbourne) which is going a bit over $10 I think, but much more tired looking.

MichaelR
NSW, 855 posts
10 Jul 2009 11:42AM
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tsmithy said...

Hi Micheal, your boat looks very nice, i like the colours too with the wood toe rails.

Is this your first boat or have you owned a few before?
Cheers
Tim


Tim, this is my first boat ever. My father has had the same half cabin in the family for about 35 years, an old Pride. My uncle taught me to sail when I was a kid on a vagabond, and his Bluebird at MHYC and I've done a whole lot of ski racing in my younger days, so water isn't foreign.

I've traditionally been a motorcyclist, still am, but my wife doesn't like to ride her own, just ride on the back. She also doesn't like the long trips. So I spent a little bit of time working out, with her of course, what sort of leisure pusuit we would enjoy together, and the boat came out on top. Which for me has been a dream come true. For many years I never had the time or money, now I do, so I'm dipping my toe with an older slower, but still seaworthy tub to see what adventures we can have.

Michael,

nswsailor
NSW, 1434 posts
13 Jul 2009 12:10AM
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Hi Michael, Cisco and all others interested in Top Hats.

Michael has given a fairly accurate account of the Top Hat story but I have discovered much more information about the history of the Top Hat in Australia. This will soon be published on the Top Hat site.

The Wikipedia source is now out of date and full of mis-information. The real information is contained on the Top Hat site at dicksimonyachts.com/ where 70 + Top Hatters exchange information.

There were 6 versions built in Australia. The 32" & 33" (really 30") were not Top Hats and are now ignored.

I sail out of the Camden Haven River where we have 4 versions moored

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Phillip
SEAKA

MichaelR
NSW, 855 posts
13 Jul 2009 10:25AM
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Hi Phillip, good to see you over here as well.

I've always admired how nice SEAKA looks on the water, do you have any of her under sail?

Michael

nswsailor
NSW, 1434 posts
13 Jul 2009 5:30PM
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Thanks Michael,

I have a very old one in Pittwater but none of SEAKA sailing since I have had her.

Plenty from on board, but not from an other boat.

Phillip
SEAKA

cisco
QLD, 12342 posts
14 Jul 2009 5:13AM
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nswsailor said...


Plenty from on board, but not from an other boat.


Yeah they are the hard ones to get unless you have a 3.1m Zodiac with a 15hp Mariner that will do 24 knots. It gives the jet skis a bit of a fright.

I just happen to have such a combination which is all in as new condition, having been in the water only 3 times and just happens to be for sale for $3,000 if anybody is interested. Photos available.



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