Wanted

so is other yacht sold ?

Hi Southace

Is this any good www.boatsalestas.com.au/sail-monohulls/jeanneau-409-charisma/148236/ or this one www.boatsalestas.com.au/sail-monohulls/elliot-1250-tourer-jamarkiri/127562/

Regards Don

Come on mate. You know enough about boats to do your own survey.

On the water, go through the boat like a dose of salts. If you are happy with that, say to the guy "OK, let's put her on the slip. If on the underwater inspection there are no defects, I pay. If there are defects, you pay."

If you are happy with the yacht, hit him fair between the eyes. Say "I have $200k and that could be in your account this afternoon or tomorrow. If you need time to think about it or you need to talk with your missus, I will be in my car over there for the next 10 minutes."

He has to fish or cut bait.

You might not use those exact words but that is the mind set to be in. You have just been through it from the other side. It is a buyer's market.

I paid $28k for Second Wind and I did it on the spot. No slipping, no survey and the money was in his account that afternoon. Some would say that is reckless and risky behavior. I will admit to risky. A calculated risk. The purchase was made after months of market research and product research. If you have not done that yet, don't buy anything.

My $28k is probably worth as much to me as your $200k. I am really happy with Second Wind even though I need to do a solid 6 months work (yeah, yeah, that will turn into 12 or 18 before you are finished) to get her the way I want her. I took her out today and my mate said to me that he thought it was the best boat I had owned since my Petersen 42. I said I thought it was the best boat I had ever owned.

When you have found the right boat southace, you will feel it in your bones, but you already know that don't you??

Attack like a Falcon and fly like an Eagle.

Amazes me how anyone can be interested in a Ikea style yacht meaning junk thrown together to look good .
Cast iron keels, boat pre fabricated manafactured one full yacht a day , give me a yacht that is made from a shipwright with real wood fit out lead keel, chain plates that are well glassed to the hull not bolted to the bulkhead where water gets in and rots it $200,000 buys lots of boats look carefully and you will get craftmanship

As i live full time on a yacht i have had the privlige of watching yachts on anchor and moorings as a storm has swept in 50kt plus it is a real eye opener to watch these modern yachts sail around their rode and the crazy angle that they lean to.
Throw in some serious wave action and they are not the sort of boat i would like to be on out at sea.
All you have to do is estimate how much a Tophat yacht a compass 28, Clanesman etc would cost these days to the same glass strength to realize there has to be cost cuts somewhere.
Strength to me is confidence out at sea, as Alan Lucas once said he shudders when he thinks about going out to sea on a production boat.
As for drunken ship wrights i think that you are pulling a very long bow

Hunters have a B & R rig for which no backstay is required.

Between $650 and $1250 Qld .

Ha ha ha good one southace

What would you rather after a hard days sail ? A clanesman with pokey dark wet mouldy seats or a nice soft pure leather lounge with Kevlar reinforcements and a nice fast slick hull?

Plenty of people living and cruising on 70s boats. My sister has a Valiant 40, I would back it against any modern cruising boat of that size as a passage maker. And it is tough.
S&s34s are also very good passage makers. Not much built in the past 20 years would compete.
An old hull with its design strength can be refitted with new reliable bit and pieces. It then provides a robust cruiser. Where they are often not as good is internal volume although the Valiant has good space.
I would prefer the Valiant 40 craftsman fit out with its comfortable sea kindly motion than a light white plastic interior in a bouncy slamming hull. It is horses for courses, we have different tastes. I have a 100 year old house, couldn't imagine living in a Cherrybrook brick veneer.

I bet you guys don't drive old cars! Have the comfy electric everything models no doubt! I have a 90 year old yacht and just sold a 30 year old yacht...... I have full confidence in a good modern production yacht.....rather that than a $500,000 dollar one of shipwright built yacht that would most properly be the same seaworthiness as a current production yacht.

Well I seek a 4 meter beam in a 40 footer....that's my aim....tell me a pre 90s that has that beam?
You need to realise that most ship wrights come from apprenticeships which is a dying trade....you need to realise your new boat in Australia will be built by young apprentices with not a great deal of experience other than drinking,partying and picking up the lady's. they most properly could forget what percent catalyst was used on there last batch laying up a bulkhead...anyway production boats are built to standards with machines and machinery it's basically to avoid the lost production that us humans sometimes lack! I do have a very strong background in GRP and have seen it through and through. Most production boats are built to a stranded that can be sealed with approved blue water sailing.