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Yamaha FT9.9GEL four stroke high thrust long shaft 3 bladed outboard

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Created by r13 > 9 months ago, 20 Aug 2020
r13
NSW, 1536 posts
20 Aug 2020 6:31PM
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Hello all

Just wondered if anyone with a yacht around the 9-9.5m length and ~2.5t sailing displacement is using a Yamaha FT9.9GEL four stroke high thrust long shaft 3 bladed outboard and finds that it pushes the boat along acceptably - say to 6 or 7 knots in no wind no current? Appreciate advice.
thanks in advance.

Kankama
NSW, 678 posts
20 Aug 2020 8:47PM
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I have twin outboards on my 38 ft cat - one 25 and one 9.9. The 9.9 pushes my 38ft 4000kg cat and 6 knots flat out.

Azure305
NSW, 402 posts
20 Aug 2020 9:12PM
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Slightly smaller, but I had a Johnson Sailmaster 8hp, x-long leg, 3 blade high thrust prop - pushed my 26ft JOGer at 6-7knts easily, never more than 2/3rds throttle. Had a stator too, which was handy.

crustysailor
VIC, 869 posts
20 Aug 2020 9:58PM
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hi R13,

I have the previous 2002 of that model, Ft9.9D series, but long shaft .
Your model has is a slimmer powerhead and slightly different gear ratio.
It is common to the 8HP. Older models such as mine that came with the boat are based on the 15HP block.
Either is still 9.9
They are a great engine, and like Kankama, I have a cat also.
Mine is 9.3m, and approx 2.5T. The single outboard will push it at about 7 knots flat out, no wind or tide.
Once the hulls get dirty, this drops to around 5-6.

The thrust is great, especially in reverse for stopping at a pier its great.
I have purchased a slightly finer pitch prop as a spare that I am yet to put on, just by way of experimenting to see if I can get easier top speed, albeit sacrificing some push. I have an anti cav plate to play with also, that might help in lumpy conditions.

Only other suggestion, consider getting a spare prop (ebay, around $80 or so).
They have a rubber drive donut that perishes and eventually splits., leaving the hub to spin separately from the prop blades, usually when you need the outboard most.

hope this helps.

r13
NSW, 1536 posts
21 Aug 2020 10:05AM
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Great thanks Kankama, Azure and Crusty - really appreciated. It sounds like this will be a goer. Good tips about the rubber drive splined bush and spare prop. I am surprised that Yamaha don't have a 4 blade low pitch high blade area for the 9.9 size - as per here only 3 blade props albeit it is a high blade area design. Crusty are you aware of such a 4 blade prop for the 9.9? Appreciate advice of the finer pitch prop model you have as the spare. Thanks again in advance.

www.ozpropellers.com.au/outboard-propellers/yamaha/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI-uq5jv6q6wIVTNeWCh0tTwGJEAAYASAAEgI-0vD_BwE

crustysailor
VIC, 869 posts
21 Aug 2020 11:35AM
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yes, thats who I used.
They do a 4 blade, thats what you need.

Rowan from Ozprops emailed me back after I told him what I was chasing, and he suggested the "10x5" 4 blade.
It's still a high thrust, and they import them from the US. Cost was around $230 from memory.

My only concern was the outboards now over 15 years old, and has had a tough life being on a mooring boat, rarely gets a flush, I didn't want to go playing around too much with prop size as it will probably just add extra demand on the gearbox.

I'm getting good at oil changes, dropping the leg and the last impellor change after christmas was done in situ, via the dingy.
I probably wouldnt recommend it though unless you have to..
good luck

r13
NSW, 1536 posts
21 Aug 2020 12:32PM
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Gold. I got onto ozprops and they are sending a quote for the 10x5 4 blade. About 10 days delivery from US. Our motor is 2013 year done less than 50hrs. Many thanks.

waikikin
NSW, 51 posts
21 Aug 2020 3:11PM
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r13 said..
Great thanks Kankama, Azure and Crusty - really appreciated. It sounds like this will be a goer. Good tips about the rubber drive splined bush and spare prop. I am surprised that Yamaha don't have a 4 blade low pitch high blade area for the 9.9 size - as per here only 3 blade props albeit it is a high blade area design. Crusty are you aware of such a 4 blade prop for the 9.9? Appreciate advice of the finer pitch prop model you have as the spare. Thanks again in advance.

www.ozpropellers.com.au/outboard-propellers/yamaha/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI-uq5jv6q6wIVTNeWCh0tTwGJEAAYASAAEgI-0vD_BwE


I got a four blade prop from them for my Tohatsu 8hp, goes well but "feels" like the gear engagement hurts a little- like "chunks in" but this is on a seawind 24 and it moves immediately.
2nd everyones thoughts on the Yamaha 9.9 4 stroke, I had one(the older model) on my 10M Beach Marine cat, loaded with water and stores she was about 3.4 T and would do 6.7 Kts with a single, would drop with a headwind and anything too hard best to sail as well. I've currently got a pair of the newer ones in my garage, ones a goer but the other needs a CDI unit, hope to fit them to something. Beautiful and quiet engines.
Jeff.

r13
NSW, 1536 posts
21 Aug 2020 4:14PM
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Thanks for the confirmation Jeff. Yes certainly quiet - at idle it is so quiet I have to check it hadn't stalled.

Jethrow
NSW, 1240 posts
27 Aug 2020 6:37PM
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Hi All
I've got the F9.9c on my cat too, and I was wondering if anyone had something for doing minor services on the motor? I've downloaded the service manual which has some nice exploded views and all but I'm looking for something with a bit more guidance for doing minor services while on the boat as it's such a pain to take the motor off the boat and deliver to a service place.

I guess a photo essay for changing the oil, changing the impeller, that sort of stuff.

Thanks in advance.

Jethrow
NSW, 1240 posts
27 Aug 2020 9:10PM
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Actually, after posting that, I had another search and (having never done one) this looks to be not to bad.



Something like this in print to take out to the cat would be ideal I reckon!

Kankama
NSW, 678 posts
27 Aug 2020 9:21PM
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Gday Jethrow

Watch Dangar Stu on his Youtube channel.

As for services - mine get

- an oil change - buy a dipstick oil syringe off ebay. - new oil filter - - when antifouled I have to wait for paint to dry so I pull the leg off and check the impeller, maybe replace (watch Dangar Stu again)- Change the gear oil - you may clean the syringe and put gear oil in the motor (watch Stu again)
- Clean inside with a nice cloth and some spray on oil - not WD40.

That is about it. Takes about an hour. Less time than it takes to take it off the boat, into the car and to the shop.

Cheers

Phil

DAMA
QLD, 239 posts
28 Aug 2020 10:18AM
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Kankama,
your 9.9 pushes along at 6 knots , curious as what the 25hp pushes your boat speed up to?

crustysailor
VIC, 869 posts
28 Aug 2020 6:56PM
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mine is the same setup as Phils basically, in terms of service. Plus I add replacing the fuel filter.
I you are really bored sometime, I added a temperature guage to the outboard, and its saved my bacon at least once.
With it being in a pod, unless your dilligent its easy to not keep an eye on the telltale.
The last time my impellor cacked it, I was managed to see the ob temp rising, and I sailed back to the mooring instead of the planned motor around.
I just used a car temp sensor on ebay, the shortest I could fine, and an ebay chinese temp gauge.
I found a brass nut in the shed with the right thread, and tapped and braised it onto the thermostat housing. The tip penerates enoguh to measure the flow, without impeding it or the thermostat operation. 12 V to the gauge and bingo. I can actually watch the thermostat open at about 80*, then the temp drops to about 40ish.
Its the one good thing i've done.

In truth, adding brass to the cheap Yamaha alloy thermostat housing to measure salt water temp, isnt probably the wiseeast, but the Yam doesnt get flushed anyhow so i'm sure theres some good electrolysis action hapenning anyhow. I keep an eye on it, and a replacement housing is about $12 from memory.

woko
NSW, 1588 posts
28 Aug 2020 9:25PM
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Great idea crusty, the other way to go for temp alarm is the bolt on type engine guard / engine watch dog

crustysailor
VIC, 869 posts
30 Aug 2020 10:16AM
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i also tried the basic led temp gauges you can buy online, and glueing the sensor to the side of the block.
The gauges were sensitive to the power on the boat, and 2 died before I gave up

0llie
NSW, 172 posts
31 Aug 2020 10:33PM
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Have the same motors, recently acquired and with a very limited sailing experience but good mechanical background decided to pull them up out the cat.
1st thing is these high thrust 9.9 tend to sit on cats (although not in the water as the leg can be pulled up in the scoops) for a long time without getting a fresh water flush or salt away etc. If you want to do a service and can lift the motor up for acres then I'd do the oil change with syringe from eBay as posted, new filter, plugs, pull carb with a 10mm watch for tiny o ring at back that holds the choke lever/plug leave connected if pos. Clean carb reassemble. Take off spark plug lead housing 2x 10mm to access the thermostat cover plate, don't just pull thermostat off, pull whole plate 7 or 8 10mm bolts from memory. Inside you'll find it completely gunged up with salt deposits, clean and check tiny anode inside plate is present. Pull thermostat carefully off gasket on this one. Boil water test thermostat then reassemble everything in reverse but with myolmar on the gaskets. There's numbers on cover player in order to tighten in correct order

Leg
2 x 10mm on the gear shift rod. These seize! Hence my knowledge with these. I snapped one and had to pull powered off to put a new one back in. One is just 10mm locking nut silver (Take note how many threads up it is, then undo)
The other is brass and there's a good chance it'll turn clockwise up but not all the way. You need to work it and use rp7 or something similar. If it's stuck get the blow torch on it for a mintue or 2 it will expand and u thread all the way up. Then once undone undo 4x12 mm on leg drop leg and follow danger on utube or anyone for a yammie impeller change.
Good luck



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