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Derek Hama foot placement

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Created by hilly > 9 months ago, 27 Dec 2019
hilly
WA, 7445 posts
27 Dec 2019 6:23PM
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Looks all wrong but he rips. Maybe I should offset mine more it may help me turn like him

www.instagram.com/p/B6hYknDHHJe/?igshid=1ouw2wzbnwm43



colas
5141 posts
27 Dec 2019 7:13PM
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I have also placed extra strap inserts to open more my stance compared to the "standard" of the feet on the stringer.
It helps tremendously on paddling strength and efficiency for takeoff on SUP foils, and a bit to make your shoulder face forward while foiling.

While foiling, you must get used to combined rock & rolling input to the board: pushing front feet down or up in turns will induce rolling as well as rocking. But you quickly get the hang of it. But I don't think it helps me while foiling, the gain for me is for the takeoff.

Piros
QLD, 7048 posts
27 Dec 2019 9:57PM
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My feet have been like that since day one , check out my videos .

DWF
641 posts
27 Dec 2019 8:34PM
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Stagger= more control, more power, especially strapless. You can't surf strapless...feet on center line. You would have no power over a wide front wing.

The need for a newbie to put feet on center, is the main reason newbies can't surf without straps....no leverage.

hilly
WA, 7445 posts
27 Dec 2019 8:39PM
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Piros said..
My feet have been like that since day one , check out my videos .


Don't see you turn like da Hama

hilly
WA, 7445 posts
27 Dec 2019 8:42PM
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DWF said..
Stagger= more control, more power, especially strapless. You can't surf strapless...feet on center line. You would have no power over a wide front wing.

The need for a newbie to put feet on center, is the main reason newbies can't surf without straps....no leverage.


You don't need straps

hilly
WA, 7445 posts
27 Dec 2019 8:43PM
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It was the back foot that surprised me.

colas
5141 posts
27 Dec 2019 9:05PM
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hilly said..
You don't need straps



You should tell Derek then :-)

To get back to your original post "it may help me turn like him" Frankly, straps are much more important to carve aggressive turns with SUP foils than the feet placement.

hilly
WA, 7445 posts
28 Dec 2019 2:41AM
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colas said..

hilly said..
You don't need straps




You should tell Derek then :-)

To get back to your original post "it may help me turn like him" Frankly, straps are much more important to carve aggressive turns with SUP foils than the feet placement.


Derek rides a sup that is prone foil size. lots of prone guys ripping as hard strapless.Not getting back into straps after I had a kite strap crash. One foot in one came out. Snapped PCL, MCL ripped off the bone and fractures above and below the knee. 12 months off the water and permanent loss of function. My mate dislocated his hip same way. Straps are fraught with danger especially with the added stress of the foil.

MickChard
VIC, 183 posts
28 Dec 2019 10:58AM
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Stagger = more control more power can some one expansion ? I've been trying it hit feels sketchy as and out of balance ..

but heaps of crew do it

robg1703
NSW, 228 posts
28 Dec 2019 11:16AM
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I think the blurry photo of Derek makes his stance look more off centre than it actually is but it definitely isn't straight down the centre line....The back foot strap on a JL is already over to the toe side rail if you're riding with your back foot square & as someone pointed out Derek's boards are very small so again it's exaggerated....






DWF
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28 Dec 2019 8:25AM
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MickChard said..
Stagger = more control more power can some one expansion ? I've been trying it hit feels sketchy as and out of balance ..

but heaps of crew do it


That more sketchy feel, is increased sensitivity due to more leverage. That feels good, to people with tons of foil experience. Think about this for a moment...how can you lean to heel side and turn a front wing 1 meter wide with feet on centerline? You cannot, without a strap to pull up on. But with stagger, its easy. To you that's sketchy, to me it feels great.

hilly
WA, 7445 posts
28 Dec 2019 10:34AM
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Actually it is not much different. Have to work on cranking it a bit harder. Apologies for the speed blur





MickChard
VIC, 183 posts
28 Dec 2019 2:16PM
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Interesting DWF .... Gotta slowly start working on it

Scotty Mac
SA, 2055 posts
28 Dec 2019 9:17PM
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Ha ha

Windgenuity
NSW, 653 posts
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30 Dec 2019 12:25PM
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I am personally a centre-line advocate. Ideally IMO you want the input from your foot to act directly on the centreline of the board. This may mean your straps are off-centre to achieve this, but I find if you're off centre it limits how hard you can trim fore and aft without side input/turn/wobble. The faster I ride the more important I find it to be centre-line.

Derek rips to no end (so do you Piros), so not sure if it's something he just started with and got used to. I always suggest you stand centre-line if you can.

My 2 cents worth.

JB

MickChard
VIC, 183 posts
30 Dec 2019 2:11PM
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Yes I've noticed your always in the centre JB

I still feel u can turn pretty hard from the centre ....

Windgenuity
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30 Dec 2019 3:27PM
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MickChard said..
Yes I've noticed your always in the centre JB

I still feel u can turn pretty hard from the centre ....


Hard turning is not a rail pressure thing IMO. You should be leading your foil into and out of turns. This is done with technique not pressure.

There is definitely crew ripping in the diamond stance, but I think I can ride harder and faster from the center.



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