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Some Performance Longboards..
Starboard longboard 9 x 28 100L
Smik Twin 9.2 x 28 120L
Sunova Style 9.6 x 27.5 112L
Gong Zero 9 x 29.5 115L
Wondered if anyone can shed any light on this. Performance longboard sups seem to be wider and be more voluminous than their shortboard performance equivalent. Why is this?
Prone Longboards aren't overly wide and litres seem on par with that of prone shortboards.
But with Sups the gap is huge.. For example the smallest litre starboard shortboard is 7 x 24 66L.
Is the message from shapers that with longboard sups you don't benefit from lower volume and narrower shapes?
Interested to hear any views..
Most prone longboards are close to double the volume of the equivalent surfers short board.... my short boards are around 40L and my LB's are about 80L...
LB SUPs dont need to be a race to the bottom of volume IMO. It's about glide and grace, not having the smallest board possible.
All LB sup comps here in oz are set at a minimum length of 10'.
Once you start to go under 27" wide, shapers really limit the market they can sell to. Obviously brands like Infinity, Deep, Sunova, Smik, One etc can make a custom at whatever dims you like....
FYI Infinity do a 9' x 26" x 93L New Deal as a stock board...
Wondered if anyone can shed any light on this. Performance longboard sups seem to be wider and be more voluminous than their shortboard performance equivalent. Why is this?
To design any kind of board and making them manoeuvrable, outline angle from the tail and its fins set up to the widest point of the outline has to be more pointy rather than parallel.
Once that said talking about SUP needing width for stability, that same outline angle has to be designed involving larger dims once multiplied by cubic gives lot more volume than a prone board.
I sometimes sup our old Bic 10' epoxy longboard (in summer!) it's something like 221/2" and I guess around 90l. When the conditions are right I love it! I'm only 65kg so heaps of volume, just a matter of getting used to the domed deck and the width.
My prone 10' log has twice the volume as my prone 6' shortboard.
I have a 9x28 120l longboard sup that feels most moments like a shortboard and with a very small shortboard like tail can handle easily the hollow. But it is at my minimum volume and at that width a bit of a diva board- only the best days.
The longboard feel for me starts at over 10' for in a sup. And with a significant volume advantage.
My older ones at 28 wide were super loose but my new ones at 30+ wide are loose enough for a longboard, and now super stable.
Enjoying reading peoples comments but its still as clear as mud.
If for the reasons stated above glide, volume etc of a larger volume longboard sup then why are prone Longboards not doing the same? Surely the norm for prone longboards would be 80 to 110L and 25 to 28" wide in stead of the 21 to 25" and mainly less than 75L. Surely they are benefitting from something?
I may have to nswer my own question (and have an excuse to buy another board!). Theres a used prone 9'2 longboard at 91L and 25.25 for sale...
Longboard sups are made relatively wider to make it possible to stand on them for long periods. With the leverage you get surfing them with a paddle, the width doesn't become a hindrance.
Prone surfboards don't have the luxury of having a paddle to use as leverage.
I've tried surfing my LB sup prone and whilst it was reasonably easy to paddle into waves (allowing for board width) when surfing it without a paddle it was so hard to turn... it was stiffer than a prone log.
Yes a narrower board will always provide more 'performance'. But you still need curve in the outline to allow for turns.
My LB sup is 28" wide and it is noticeably faster down the line and rail to rail than my wider sup boards.
It is also way easier to prone paddle a 22" wide longboard, than my 28" sup.
Yes gents, shaping is a complex combo of curves. As I'm thinking that when I design the next board for my son. It's a prone board still the same alchemy.
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My Sunova Style
10' x 29 @ 130 liters
It's the narrowest, lowest liter board I ride.
9'0 x 31 Flash @133 liters
9'1 x 31 Creek @ 136 liters
Jimmy Lewis Destroyer 10' x 29. 125 Ltrs
My black and yellow board love the pulled in tail board works in big or small surf..Best allround 10" board i have ridden in a while
Just picked up a board that fits in to Colas' glider description further up, flatter rockered and more pulled in nose but should still perform! 9'5 x 28" x 115 litres. Just sold my stylemaster 9' so hoping to get a balance of longboard performance and small wave glide out of this one but in a different manner. Should be fun working it out!
