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Created by DaveSandan > 9 months ago, 17 Sep 2018
LucBenac
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20 Sep 2018 11:40PM
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robon said..

I would be interested in trying the 27" wide Sidewinder for comparison for sure. Such a beautiful board.


Hey Mel, you could try to talk to Kristie here in Vancouver, she might be considering bringing one in and she is the local branch of the JL Canada distribution. Cheers, Luc

DaveSandan
VIC, 1377 posts
21 Sep 2018 6:53AM
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Tardy said..
Yes ,that nose will definailty be better for down winding than the glide ..mine catches in the swell ,I think the
Gide is a flat water board. And has a really flat rocker ..I can see you hooking on some big swells on that one Dave .
should be alot nicer to ride a swell...no more falls





I was wondering what version of Glide you are referring to? I have the 14 x 29.25" V3 Glide and it has a healthy amount of rocker. Definitely more rocker than my 14 x 26" Evo and from these pics, it has a bit more nose rocker than the V2 Sidewinder. Even standing forward of the carry handle, the nose still doesn't touch the water on the V3 Glide and I'm around 100 kilos right now. It does very well in rough conditions. Especially cross chop.

I'm interested in the comparison between the two boards for stability because I'm also considering replacing my Glide for distance touring and would be paddling it in all conditions. I like my 14 x 26" Evo and it is quite stable in lined up conditions, but in confused waters and bigger cross chop, the Glide is much more stable, and it's also easier to DW on. Obviously a major difference in width, but the difference in cross chop is huge between the two boards. I would be interested in trying the 27" wide Sidewinder for comparison for sure. Such a beautiful board.


Hi Robon

The Glide I'm referring to is a Naish Glide 14x29.5 which I swapped for the Sidewinder. Great board but I just could not resist this new version so it went to a new home, not enough storage at home. The Sidewinder is only 9kg compared to 16kg and I'm sure the Glide would still be more stable in cross chop but I need to try those conditions first as it may serprise me.

mickeyb
NSW, 60 posts
21 Sep 2018 9:31AM
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Hi Dave

I have the previous model sidewinder and I love it. Once you work out how to d/w it you will be stoked. Rob once said to me that in terms of speed they are right up there with the dugouts (downwinding) and I agree with him. One piece of advice I would give you is that you don't need to run up and down the board like other flat decks when you are on a runner. try just moving one foot back and dropping your weight a bit. The clubby nose on that board pops really easily. You can link bumps nicely on it also. Enjoy.

DaveSandan
VIC, 1377 posts
21 Sep 2018 10:18AM
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Hi Dave

I have the previous model sidewinder and I love it. Once you work out how to d/w it you will be stoked. Rob once said to me that in terms of speed they are right up there with the dugouts (downwinding) and I agree with him. One piece of advice I would give you is that you don't need to run up and down the board like other flat decks when you are on a runner. try just moving one foot back and dropping your weight a bit. The clubby nose on that board pops really easily. You can link bumps nicely on it also. Enjoy.


Thanks for that advise that is really good to know as I am not that good at running up and down a board without falling off??

21 Sep 2018 12:10PM
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Hi Dave, I've only been paddling my new Sidewinder 14' x 25" in the ocean & doing efforts in & around the bouys & in & out from the beach.... I have found I've been paddling predominantly in front of the handle especially chasing the runners & then the usual stepping back once catching waves....

DaveSandan
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21 Sep 2018 12:39PM
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Hi Dave, I've only been paddling my new Sidewinder 14' x 25" in the ocean & doing efforts in & around the bouys & in & out from the beach.... I have found I've been paddling predominantly in front of the handle especially chasing the runners & then the usual stepping back once catching waves....


Ok thanks I will give it ago next time out.

Tardy
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21 Sep 2018 4:01PM
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Totally agree with jimmy ...get yourself in some little waves ,it really does improve your walking up and down ,basically you walk forward to get the nose down the wave ,once you've caught it being DWing or just one foot ,slide back and cruze..
Will those flash fins you got fit the new one .?

DaveSandan
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21 Sep 2018 6:33PM
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Totally agree with jimmy ...get yourself in some little waves ,it really does improve your walking up and down ,basically you walk forward to get the nose down the wave ,once you've caught it being DWing or just one foot ,slide back and cruze..
Will those flash fins you got fit the new one .?



Yep the FCS fins click in and out, no screws needed except for the fin that came with the board which was pretty good actually.

robon
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22 Sep 2018 1:30AM
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robon said..


I would be interested in trying the 27" wide Sidewinder for comparison for sure. Such a beautiful board.



Hey Mel, you could try to talk to Kristie here in Vancouver, she might be considering bringing one in and she is the local branch of the JL Canada distribution. Cheers, Luc


I'm signed up for a training course in December at the Justice Institute, so maybe a Sidewinder will be there by then and we can get out again.Considering full carbon lay up race boards from companies like Starboard and One Sup are being sold on the coast, I think a niche could definitely exist for multiple sizes in the Sidewinder to be brought in and sold. The Sidewinder in carbon is actually cheaper than the carbon Allstar. Last year anyways and prices have gone up for One this year, so JL falls into the same category. It's a risk for a rep to bring in boards without a guaranteed buyer, but it would be nice to have the choice for testing different sizes.

LucBenac
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22 Sep 2018 1:38AM
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LucBenac said..





robon said..



I would be interested in trying the 27" wide Sidewinder for comparison for sure. Such a beautiful board.




Hey Mel, you could try to talk to Kristie here in Vancouver, she might be considering bringing one in and she is the local branch of the JL Canada distribution. Cheers, Luc



I'm signed up for a training course in December at the Justice Institute, so maybe a Sidewinder will be there by then and we can get out again.Considering full carbon lay up race boards from companies like Starboard and One Sup are being sold on the coast, I think a niche could definitely exist for multiple sizes in the Sidewinder to be brought in and sold. The Sidewinder in carbon is actually cheaper than the carbon Allstar. Last year anyways and prices have gone up for One this year, so JL falls into the same category. It's a risk for a rep to bring in boards without a guaranteed buyer, but it would be nice to have the choice for testing different sizes.


Yes it is the issue. Here between Starboard, One and Sunova the market feels pretty saturated. It seems that the only time I see somebody with a brand new board, it is a "sponsored" rider. I rarely buy a board new, and when I do, it is a past year model sold at a discount (or what I find myself a more normal price :-) ) during the winter i.e. excess stock. I feel for the retailers/distributors but on the other hand, if somebody is to tell me please pay full price for a board, sight unseen, that I will order for you and charge you shipping for - my interest is non-existant.

robon
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22 Sep 2018 2:52AM
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robon said..




LucBenac said..











robon said..






I would be interested in trying the 27" wide Sidewinder for comparison for sure. Such a beautiful board.







Hey Mel, you could try to talk to Kristie here in Vancouver, she might be considering bringing one in and she is the local branch of the JL Canada distribution. Cheers, Luc






I'm signed up for a training course in December at the Justice Institute, so maybe a Sidewinder will be there by then and we can get out again.Considering full carbon lay up race boards from companies like Starboard and One Sup are being sold on the coast, I think a niche could definitely exist for multiple sizes in the Sidewinder to be brought in and sold. The Sidewinder in carbon is actually cheaper than the carbon Allstar. Last year anyways and prices have gone up for One this year, so JL falls into the same category. It's a risk for a rep to bring in boards without a guaranteed buyer, but it would be nice to have the choice for testing different sizes.





Yes it is the issue. Here between Starboard, One and Sunova the market feels pretty saturated. It seems that the only time I see somebody with a brand new board, it is a "sponsored" rider. I rarely buy a board new, and when I do, it is a past year model sold at a discount (or what I find myself a more normal price :-) ) during the winter i.e. excess stock. I feel for the retailers/distributors but on the other hand, if somebody is to tell me please pay full price for a board, sight unseen, that I will order for you and charge you shipping for - my interest is non-existant.




True enough, and when you factor in taxes on top of shipping, costs can get out of reach. I get what you are saying with market saturation on the coast, but JL really seems to be a comparative bargain when you factor in durability, weight, craftsmanship and cost into the equation. This is where I think the niche could be and bringing in more than just one off mail order could work out.

This discussion came up before with JL as far as cost-benefit analysis goes. Last year I talked to a worker in the States who weighed a 14 x 27 V1 Sidewinder in classic construction and was told it weighed 26 pounds on the shop scale without the fin. So, still basically sub 27 pounds for a non carbon board with fin, that is right around 300 Litres? This is what some supposedly full carbon layups weigh in the same volume range (some are heavier actually) and the classic construction can be well over a thousand dollars cheaper comparatively. From what I have been reading, JL in full carbon is lighter than most of the other top brands, with a reputation for being more durable and the cost is actually cheaper in the carbon lay up than more than one of the top brands. I don't know, but I think JL could squeeze in along with Starboard, One, and Sunova on the coast when people start learning these boards can be a bargain in comparison to many of the top companies. Not a slight on other companies either, but when you crunch the numbers and consider durability, craftsmanship and weight? It becomes pretty hard to ignore imo.

robon
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22 Sep 2018 2:59AM
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robon said..


Tardy said..
Yes ,that nose will definailty be better for down winding than the glide ..mine catches in the swell ,I think the
Gide is a flat water board. And has a really flat rocker ..I can see you hooking on some big swells on that one Dave .
should be alot nicer to ride a swell...no more falls






I was wondering what version of Glide you are referring to? I have the 14 x 29.25" V3 Glide and it has a healthy amount of rocker. Definitely more rocker than my 14 x 26" Evo and from these pics, it has a bit more nose rocker than the V2 Sidewinder. Even standing forward of the carry handle, the nose still doesn't touch the water on the V3 Glide and I'm around 100 kilos right now. It does very well in rough conditions. Especially cross chop.

I'm interested in the comparison between the two boards for stability because I'm also considering replacing my Glide for distance touring and would be paddling it in all conditions. I like my 14 x 26" Evo and it is quite stable in lined up conditions, but in confused waters and bigger cross chop, the Glide is much more stable, and it's also easier to DW on. Obviously a major difference in width, but the difference in cross chop is huge between the two boards. I would be interested in trying the 27" wide Sidewinder for comparison for sure. Such a beautiful board.



Hi Robon

The Glide I'm referring to is a Naish Glide 14x29.5 which I swapped for the Sidewinder. Great board but I just could not resist this new version so it went to a new home, not enough storage at home. The Sidewinder is only 9kg compared to 16kg and I'm sure the Glide would still be more stable in cross chop but I need to try those conditions first as it may serprise me.


Nice, the weight saving is substantial and by the sounds of it, you still have a very capable board in all conditions that is more maneuverable. Win, win. I was looking at the new Glide design and it definitely has a flatter rocker profile and a completely different nose design than the V3, so the comments made earlier make sense for rough water paddling. I posted up a couple pics of the rocker profile for my Glide.




LucBenac
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22 Sep 2018 4:16AM
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LucBenac said..




robon said..





LucBenac said..













robon said..







I would be interested in trying the 27" wide Sidewinder for comparison for sure. Such a beautiful board.








Hey Mel, you could try to talk to Kristie here in Vancouver, she might be considering bringing one in and she is the local branch of the JL Canada distribution. Cheers, Luc







I'm signed up for a training course in December at the Justice Institute, so maybe a Sidewinder will be there by then and we can get out again.Considering full carbon lay up race boards from companies like Starboard and One Sup are being sold on the coast, I think a niche could definitely exist for multiple sizes in the Sidewinder to be brought in and sold. The Sidewinder in carbon is actually cheaper than the carbon Allstar. Last year anyways and prices have gone up for One this year, so JL falls into the same category. It's a risk for a rep to bring in boards without a guaranteed buyer, but it would be nice to have the choice for testing different sizes.






Yes it is the issue. Here between Starboard, One and Sunova the market feels pretty saturated. It seems that the only time I see somebody with a brand new board, it is a "sponsored" rider. I rarely buy a board new, and when I do, it is a past year model sold at a discount (or what I find myself a more normal price :-) ) during the winter i.e. excess stock. I feel for the retailers/distributors but on the other hand, if somebody is to tell me please pay full price for a board, sight unseen, that I will order for you and charge you shipping for - my interest is non-existant.





True enough, and when you factor in taxes on top of shipping, costs can get out of reach. I get what you are saying with market saturation on the coast, but JL really seems to be a comparative bargain when you factor in durability, weight, craftsmanship and cost into the equation. This is where I think the niche could be and bringing in more than just one off mail order could work out.

This discussion came up before with JL as far as cost-benefit analysis goes. Last year I talked to a worker in the States who weighed a 14 x 27 V1 Sidewinder in classic construction and was told it weighed 26 pounds on the shop scale without the fin. So, still basically sub 27 pounds for a non carbon board with fin, that is right around 300 Litres? This is what some supposedly full carbon layups weigh in the same volume range (some are heavier actually) and the classic construction can be well over a thousand dollars cheaper comparatively. From what I have been reading, JL in full carbon is lighter than most of the other top brands, with a reputation for being more durable and the cost is actually cheaper in the carbon lay up than more than one of the top brands. I don't know, but I think JL could squeeze in along with Starboard, One, and Sunova on the coast when people start learning these boards can be a bargain in comparison to many of the top companies. Not a slight on other companies either, but when you crunch the numbers and consider durability, craftsmanship and weight? It becomes pretty hard to ignore imo.


Agreed. As far as new boards are concerned, JL is on top of the list for value. Downwind boards like the Rail have been great performers and design. It looks like the Sidewinder 2 also is a very competitive design and could be a serious contender in the all-around race boards. Now all we need is demos.

DaveSandan
VIC, 1377 posts
22 Sep 2018 2:03PM
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DaveSandan said..


robon said..



Tardy said..
Yes ,that nose will definailty be better for down winding than the glide ..mine catches in the swell ,I think the
Gide is a flat water board. And has a really flat rocker ..I can see you hooking on some big swells on that one Dave .
should be alot nicer to ride a swell...no more falls







I was wondering what version of Glide you are referring to? I have the 14 x 29.25" V3 Glide and it has a healthy amount of rocker. Definitely more rocker than my 14 x 26" Evo and from these pics, it has a bit more nose rocker than the V2 Sidewinder. Even standing forward of the carry handle, the nose still doesn't touch the water on the V3 Glide and I'm around 100 kilos right now. It does very well in rough conditions. Especially cross chop.

I'm interested in the comparison between the two boards for stability because I'm also considering replacing my Glide for distance touring and would be paddling it in all conditions. I like my 14 x 26" Evo and it is quite stable in lined up conditions, but in confused waters and bigger cross chop, the Glide is much more stable, and it's also easier to DW on. Obviously a major difference in width, but the difference in cross chop is huge between the two boards. I would be interested in trying the 27" wide Sidewinder for comparison for sure. Such a beautiful board.




Hi Robon

The Glide I'm referring to is a Naish Glide 14x29.5 which I swapped for the Sidewinder. Great board but I just could not resist this new version so it went to a new home, not enough storage at home. The Sidewinder is only 9kg compared to 16kg and I'm sure the Glide would still be more stable in cross chop but I need to try those conditions first as it may serprise me.



Nice, the weight saving is substantial and by the sounds of it, you still have a very capable board in all conditions that is more maneuverable. Win, win. I was looking at the new Glide design and it definitely has a flatter rocker profile and a completely different nose design than the V3, so the comments made earlier make sense for rough water paddling. I posted up a couple pics of the rocker profile for my Glide.





This is the model I swapped for the JL, as Tardy said it was great in flat to mediumchop and not bad in DW but dragging 16kg onto a runner is hard work.


DaveSandan
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22 Sep 2018 2:44PM
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robon said..







I would be interested in trying the 27" wide Sidewinder for comparison for sure. Such a beautiful board.








Hey Mel, you could try to talk to Kristie here in Vancouver, she might be considering bringing one in and she is the local branch of the JL Canada distribution. Cheers, Luc







I'm signed up for a training course in December at the Justice Institute, so maybe a Sidewinder will be there by then and we can get out again.Considering full carbon lay up race boards from companies like Starboard and One Sup are being sold on the coast, I think a niche could definitely exist for multiple sizes in the Sidewinder to be brought in and sold. The Sidewinder in carbon is actually cheaper than the carbon Allstar. Last year anyways and prices have gone up for One this year, so JL falls into the same category. It's a risk for a rep to bring in boards without a guaranteed buyer, but it would be nice to have the choice for testing different sizes.






Yes it is the issue. Here between Starboard, One and Sunova the market feels pretty saturated. It seems that the only time I see somebody with a brand new board, it is a "sponsored" rider. I rarely buy a board new, and when I do, it is a past year model sold at a discount (or what I find myself a more normal price :-) ) during the winter i.e. excess stock. I feel for the retailers/distributors but on the other hand, if somebody is to tell me please pay full price for a board, sight unseen, that I will order for you and charge you shipping for - my interest is non-existant.





True enough, and when you factor in taxes on top of shipping, costs can get out of reach. I get what you are saying with market saturation on the coast, but JL really seems to be a comparative bargain when you factor in durability, weight, craftsmanship and cost into the equation. This is where I think the niche could be and bringing in more than just one off mail order could work out.

This discussion came up before with JL as far as cost-benefit analysis goes. Last year I talked to a worker in the States who weighed a 14 x 27 V1 Sidewinder in classic construction and was told it weighed 26 pounds on the shop scale without the fin. So, still basically sub 27 pounds for a non carbon board with fin, that is right around 300 Litres? This is what some supposedly full carbon layups weigh in the same volume range (some are heavier actually) and the classic construction can be well over a thousand dollars cheaper comparatively. From what I have been reading, JL in full carbon is lighter than most of the other top brands, with a reputation for being more durable and the cost is actually cheaper in the carbon lay up than more than one of the top brands. I don't know, but I think JL could squeeze in along with Starboard, One, and Sunova on the coast when people start learning these boards can be a bargain in comparison to many of the top companies. Not a slight on other companies either, but when you crunch the numbers and consider durability, craftsmanship and weight? It becomes pretty hard to ignore imo.


All great points and the situation is very similar here in Melbourne and JL also have no presence in distribution, however I would think if you had all brands lined up and here they are all pretty much the same retail price the JL would stand out.

Area10
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23 Sep 2018 7:04PM
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Outside of a very few places in the world that have a very vibrant racing scene, race boards are going to be a very infrequent sale at the prices they currently are. And Starboard has the distribution network in most places pretty much sewn up. IMO their domination is not doing us a favour. JL is a case in point. They are a far better made product at a cheaper price IMO. But JL advertising/sponsorship on the race scene is hardly visible, and in most places you can't get to demo a JL.

I can imagine a time where the brands don't bother making raceboards at all. The innovation focus is now on foiling, and the numbers of people entering racing is levelling off (maybe in some places actually going backwards). As race boards get narrower and narrower, fewer and fewer people will be able to compete on them, until it really is a very niche activity. So, I think the brands have pretty much given up on raceboards. Hence why eg. Naish have only changed the colour of the Maliko for 2029 (and it looks like they only spent 5 mins thinking about that, anyway!). They are probably almost loss-leaders now, just an advertising gimmick.

Interestingly then, the buyers of boards like the Sidewinder will increasingly become more concerned with issues of quality of construction and value for money, because they will be bought by people (eg. "ex-racers") who intend to keep them for a while, rather than being part of the "I just have the latest race model" crowd. So, if JL can somehow solve the distribution and demo issue, maybe the future is brighter for JL than it is for some other brands. I certainly hope Jimmy keeps (mildly) tweaking the Sidewinder design for a couple more years because it's headed in a good direction IMO, and Naish did a pretty good job of tinkering with the Maliko for a couple of years to produce a very polished design.

colas
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23 Sep 2018 8:47PM
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They are a far better made product at a cheaper price IMO. But JL advertising/sponsorship on the race scene is hardly visible


I think this is the main factor. There are (were) plenty of cheap quality race boards available, but the racing buyers only look at results in contest. So only the brands with an expensive racing team sell boards... that are thus quite expensive. So the cheaper brands are not selling race boards anymore, there is no market.

I guess one solution could be an independant organisation that would perform tests to really rate race boards. But this will cost money, and who will fund it? I do not see the potential buyers contributing to it. And brands will not fund it if they are not sure their models will be well rated.

Area10
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24 Sep 2018 6:13AM
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Yeah.

I recently bought a board from the French company, Gong. They sell direct rather than through distributors/retailers. Consequently the price of some of them is literally HALF what you'd pay for a big brand equivalent. The construction seems good too. It's full wood sandwich with a carbon patch in the standing area, and Kevlar reinforcement round the rails. It's got a fancy SIC-esque handle too. A local shaper told me that he if he was making one, the materials alone would cost more than I paid for this brand new board.

So, there's a big part of the problem too. Typically, SUP boards pass through so many different hands, each taking their 30%, that by the time it gets to the customer, they cost a fortune.

This Gong board (a 12-6 surf/tour hybrid that's basically just a big surfboard, and so surfs really well...) cost me the equivalent of 1108 Australian dollars. At that sort of price I'd certainly considering updating a board each year. But a carbon Starboard All Star currently costs in the UK the equivalent of 5649 Australian dollars! How can it possibly cost five and a half times as much as the Gong? Even real SUP enthusiasts with large disposable incomes are reluctant to buy big brand raceboards new now.

No wonder everyone in the UK seems to be making do with inflatables. They are everywhere. The depreciation is probably about a tenth (or less) of a carbon raceboard. By contrast my Gong 12-6 cost less than eg. a Red Paddle inflatable will cost here. So it can be done.

Helmy
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24 Sep 2018 9:20AM
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Yeah.

I recently bought a board from the French company, Gong. They sell direct rather than through distributors/retailers. Consequently the price of some of them is literally HALF what you'd pay for a big brand equivalent. The construction seems good too. It's full wood sandwich with a carbon patch in the standing area, and Kevlar reinforcement round the rails. It's got a fancy SIC-esque handle too. A local shaper told me that he if he was making one, the materials alone would cost more than I paid for this brand new board.

So, there's a big part of the problem too. Typically, SUP boards pass through so many different hands, each taking their 30%, that by the time it gets to the customer, they cost a fortune.

This Gong board (a 12-6 surf/tour hybrid that's basically just a big surfboard, and so surfs really well...) cost me the equivalent of 1108 Australian dollars. At that sort of price I'd certainly considering updating a board each year. But a carbon Starboard All Star currently costs in the UK the equivalent of 5649 Australian dollars! How can it possibly cost five and a half times as much as the Gong? Even real SUP enthusiasts with large disposable incomes are reluctant to buy big brand raceboards new now.

No wonder everyone in the UK seems to be making do with inflatables. They are everywhere. The depreciation is probably about a tenth (or less) of a carbon raceboard. By contrast my Gong 12-6 cost less than eg. a Red Paddle inflatable will cost here. So it can be done.


AUD5,649 for an All Star...no additional comment needed, really...

LucBenac
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24 Sep 2018 7:31AM
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Area10 said..
But a carbon Starboard All Star currently costs in the UK the equivalent of 5649 Australian dollars! How can it possibly cost five and a half times as much as the Gong? Even real SUP enthusiasts with large disposable incomes are reluctant to buy big brand raceboards new now.



AUD5,649 for an All Star...no additional comment needed, really...


Yes it is expensive but don't forget that you have the privilege to have a board with a short fin box so you cannot use your usual fins or your friends cannot lend you theirs. We will all agree that it is normal to pay extra for that privilege.....

colas
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24 Sep 2018 12:15PM
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At that sort of price I'd certainly considering updating a board each year.


And since you do not lose much on the resell value, you can then afford to resell it quite cheap (or give away) them to friends or avid SUPers with very low budgets. I guess owning a $5500 board can make some people proud, but I'd rather have the smile of a local gal getting a nice board she couldn't think she could afford...

Area10
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24 Sep 2018 4:02PM
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Area10 said..
At that sort of price I'd certainly considering updating a board each year.



And since you do not lose much on the resell value, you can then afford to resell it quite cheap (or give away) them to friends or avid SUPers with very low budgets. I guess owning a $5500 board can make some people proud, but I'd rather have the smile of a local gal getting a nice board she couldn't think she could afford...


Well, I won't be giving this one away for a long time - it's too good for that! I just wish it had a better name. It's called the Gong Perv. Maybe being a "perv" is considered a good thing in France :) But here in the UK it's definitely something you'd try to avoid. What have Gong got planned for 2020, the 14x24 "Child Molester" race board?

Stupid name for a great board.

colas
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24 Sep 2018 5:37PM
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In French, "Pervert" has the same broad meaning as "Perversion" "a type of human behavior that deviates from that which is understood to be orthodox or normal.". It didn't evolve as it did in English, to only designate criminal activities.

Patrice is aware of this, but the Gong "Perv" has build quite a positive reputation in France, he has a hard time considering changing the name...

Here the perversion is using the same board for flat paddling and for surfing.

DaveSandan
VIC, 1377 posts
28 Sep 2018 2:32PM
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Good test paddle day today with a stiff SW on shore about 15kn paddling between Elwood and Brighton Marina with a lot of crosschop and runners hitting me side on. The sea walls provided some back wash as well to make it very unstable on the water and I eventually had to paddle on my knees to stop falling in and it was about 8 degrees so it was not pleasant swimming weather. The loss of 2.95 inches from my Glide to the Sidewinder is very noticeable in these conditions however it was easier to re balance on the Sidewinder than it use to be on the Glide for some reason which was a surprise. Tracking in these conditions was no different to the previous board and I did not have much trouble keeping it straight and actually was easier to bring back to the position I wanted. Speed was very similar between boards, it really was a crap day to paddle BUT the amount of effort required to get the distance was considerably less than before, I was not even hot when I got half way and the strain of my arms etc was non existent. This is a huge win in my opinion and means I will be able to paddle farther than ever before and not wear out the body parts that are already creaking when I over do an activity.
At the end I paddled straight into the wind to see how the Sidewinder cuts through the chop and it did it with ease and once I turned and ran with the wind it was so easy to catch bumps into shore. The rocker on the Sidewinder is very different to the Glide as you would expect and there was no dig in on the nose or Pearling which will make a DWer much easier to do with less foot work needed, maybe, I will need to test that out asap.










29 Sep 2018 5:25PM
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HI Dave, Glad you're enjoying your new Sidewinder..... I had a great 10km ocean paddle on mine this morning in bumpy conditions & loved it... Keep the reviews & updates coming...Great to get your feedback

DaveSandan
VIC, 1377 posts
30 Sep 2018 6:16PM
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Lots more paddling today to do some touring and the Sidewinder is great for that and it will stop on a 2 cent piece when a rock suddenly appears and can easily be re directed. Very calm conditions on on the Bay and I am finding the sweet spot for faster paddling which seems to be right at the carry handle.
next stop was Westernport Bay and I found a bit of wind to head into with a small swell hitting me at a 45 degree angle, it was very hard to keep steady BUT I did not get wet at least. I have a while to go before I get my sea legs on this board and I have a DW run planned for next week end so I am guessing I will spend a bit of time in the water. I have to keep reminding myself that this board is totally different to my last board and not be to hard on myself.
toward the end of my run I found some 1- 2 ft monsters and tried to catch them well before they broke as the reef was rather close to the surface. Catching the wave was really easy but I cou.d not stay with them due to the rocks but it was a lot easier to turn than my last board and felt really stable, looking forward to a higher tide next time.












DaveSandan
VIC, 1377 posts
7 Oct 2018 2:18PM
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Progression report on how Jimmy is going and I think I am starting to really get a feel for the board and the loss of 2.9 inches. Yesterday I had a long 8.8km run on the ocean with tail wind then side then head wind all creating a washing machine effect at some stage. I wanted to do this run to get some mileage into my legs and on the board, it's the only way I will progress, not living close to the beach sucks when you have to work!
Jimmy was rocking around but I did not get tossed off, came very close but was able to bring it back which I could never do on the old board.
Chop is no issue coming head on with the new nose it cuts through and over like a hot knife in butter and by the end of the paddle I was feeling pretty comfortable that my sea legs were starting to appear.
Fast forward to this morning after a frustrating drive in 2hrs of city traffic to hit the water only 12km from home, DON'T ASK!, and the wind had gone from none to onshore BUT it gave me a chance to practice up and down wind runs.

Finally Jimmy was starting to feel very comfortable and my sea legs stayed from yesterday and it was great paddling out and turning and although the runners were small I was able to chase them down for the very first time. Loosing 7kg of board makes the chase so easy and now I actually know what you guys mean when you say you chase the bump in front of you to get on to a bump. YEAH I can actually see the appeal of a DW run now and best of all I was able to move my leg back and forth as per an earlier suggestion and shift my weight back without feeling like I will fall off.
Not sure but I think the hull design and that huge concave reaching half way up the board is really making the board stable, kind of like a catamaran effect??? Not sure but sound fair?
lastly it was the first time without booties on, yes the sun is out and the water is warmer and the deck pad is very very comfortable. My Mana has a tougher deck pad but is not comfortable on a long paddle whereas I could have stayed on Jimmy for hours and my feet would not mind.




























7 Oct 2018 2:28PM
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That's awesome Dave & glad you are getting a feel for your Sidewinder....jealous of the weather & conditions down there as it's cold & crap up here :(



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