I would say the 7'2 is more stable than the 8'0 Pro, maybe almost like the 8'0 x 29. I leant this size to a 93kg guy and even though he did not stop paddling it was quite doable for him. The 7'4 is far more stable, in between the 8'5 & 9'0 Pro's. Even though the tails are more pulled in they still maintain great float and stability.
Howdy,
This is the 7'2 in action.
These boards do everything better! They're fast, you can lay them over bottom turning, rip em around off the top and fit them in a golf hatch back. They are the most nimble surfboard like SUPs i have ridden.
The 6'10 is on par with a 7'7 SB Pro for stability but dosent have the glide of the 7'7 but if you SUPed every day and built up your muscles you could create the glide : )
The glide is on par with the 7'4 JP Pro, no probs in small surf but tricky in the bigger stuff.
The 7'2 sits between the SB 8 and 8'5 Pro. Super user friendly and stable with lots of glide.
It takes a bit of time to get your head around the no nose when dropping into bigger waves but after that she's all gold. Can't recomend these boards highly enough. They are really exceptional and I think their wave range will surprise people. I would use them in just about everything up to 3m wave faces.
FYI I weigh 75kg.
Cheers,
Paul
I had a go on this at a starboard demo day and found it really nibble once on the wave and it was an on shore but still able to stand on it .
how much and when is it for sale please?
Can be ordered now for June delivery from your nearest Starboard retailer!!!Final price is yet to be decided. Depends on the Australian dollar but around $1890..For the AST construction
Am I hallucinating, or maybe it's an optical illusion, but does the outline on the left side (deck up) near the nose have slight parabolic curve to it? (Second photo from the top.) And is that parabolic curve only on the left side?
Thanks for the write up! If possible, it would be nice to see some photos of the board standing up with deck out and bottom out.
Considering that the Ad for the HYPERNUT has been released on the back of the latest SUP World, below is a copy if you have not seen it.
This is how the Carbon board will look in full production guise, sorry but no other photos to release as yet.
Cheers,
Marco
do you have the liters of each one?
This is the year of the tomo style!!!!!
I´m looking foward one of this babies...Rator, Slate, Hypernut, Simsup S5 ....
AAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGHHHHH , just to anxious to wait!!!
Looking at the Nut it would be easy to assume Starboard have rushed their version of a vanguard SUP to the market without thorough testing.
Unfortunately so did a few of the other big brands..
Look closely at the pics posted earlier in the thread. It has no V in the tail and missing a centre fin/finbox. These are 2 of the 3 most important elements that make the SUP vanguard work.
With vanguard SUPS, fin set up and V dramatically changes the whole way the board feels. Feels best with loads of V and 5 fin set up (four plus smaller centre).
Almost nobody rides these vanguards with a quad setup. But hey, its Starboard and maybe again they are doing something left of centre that may just turn out to be another trendsetting design.
Looking at the Nut it would be easy to assume Starboard have rushed their version of a vanguard SUP to the market without thorough testing.
Dunno about that - Scotty Mac has been on them in the SW for ages and last spring was doing dedicated Indo trips (at least two that I know of) taking different crew with him for intense proto-testing. So if they're only going into production now for June delivery in Aus, it doesn't look that rushed to me. Using the hourglass outline would also indicate they never set out to just do a "me too" Vanguard model.
Looking at the Nut it would be easy to assume Starboard have rushed their version of a vanguard SUP to the market without thorough testing.
Unfortunately so did a few of the other big brands..
Look closely at the pics posted earlier in the thread. It has no V in the tail and missing a centre fin/finbox. These are 2 of the 3 most important elements that make the SUP vanguard work.
With vanguard SUPS, fin set up and V dramatically changes the whole way the board feels. Feels best with loads of V and 5 fin set up (four plus smaller centre).
Almost nobody rides these vanguards with a quad setup. But hey, its Starboard and maybe again they are doing something left of centre that may just turn out to be another trendsetting design.
One of the original 7'2" proto's was at the Merimbula festival last November. It was too small for me to ride abut I spoke with several guys that rode the JP Slate and the Starby back to back. And every single one of them said they preferred the Starby.
Looking at the Nut it would be easy to assume Starboard have rushed their version of a vanguard SUP to the market without thorough testing.
Unfortunately so did a few of the other big brands..
Look closely at the pics posted earlier in the thread. It has no V in the tail and missing a centre fin/finbox. These are 2 of the 3 most important elements that make the SUP vanguard work.
With vanguard SUPS, fin set up and V dramatically changes the whole way the board feels. Feels best with loads of V and 5 fin set up (four plus smaller centre).
Almost nobody rides these vanguards with a quad setup. But hey, its Starboard and maybe again they are doing something left of centre that may just turn out to be another trendsetting design.
One of the original 7'2" proto's was at the Merimbula festival last November. It was too small for me to ride abut I spoke with several guys that rode the JP Slate and the Starby back to back. And every single one of them said they preferred the Starby.
Can be because pros better like smallest board rather than kind of Vangard SUP. Those boards are so stable once you get use to it
Over buoyancy raze.
Zane Schweitzer had one 6'10 proto in France and Morocco and he was saying it was the best SUP board he had ever surfed.
Having the chance to see it, it is a different interpretation of a concept, which makes the board pretty decent in the pocket.
Saw him throwing a massive air reverse on the thing on his third or fourth wave ever on the board.
I think both Starboard and Sunova went with slightly different concepts from other brands on what concerns to rail outline and tail (starboard) and rocker, length and tail design (more rocker, slightly longer board with a narrow diamond tail).
While i also think starboard should have included the chance for a thruster setup, the board seems to work pretty good.
Johnny
The Hypernut has certainly not been rushed to the market, it has been the better part of a year in development from the first prototypes.
The aim was not to release a Vanguard as many other brands rushed to do, but to release an evolution of the earlier concepts. The Hypernut does take several ques from the early concepts but then aims to incorporate other features to improve on some design failures. As was pointed out earlier this board was tested back to back with the JP equivalent and hands down had the edge in rail to rail transition at speed.
With the tail outline and the profile, the board does not need a 5th fin setup. The board turns incredibly well in a rail to rail transition where the last third of the boards rail is doing a lot of the work, so it is not reliant solely on the fins for grip. In my mind the 5th fin is often used to gain control/ grip when a board is turned flatter, which was a side affect of outlines with wider/ thicker tails. Having said that I'm not 100% sure what the final spec will be as various protos where used when shots where taken.
All in all the Hypernut features are a point of difference from other brands, not an attempt to recreate the same thing.
From memory the 7'2 is about 105, not sure about other sizes as yet.
Horses for courses and things will continue to progress.
Cheers
Marco
The Hypernut has certainly not been rushed to the market, it has been the better part of a year in development from the first prototypes.
The aim was not to release a Vanguard as many other brands rushed to do, but to release an evolution of the earlier concepts. The Hypernut does take several ques from the early concepts but then aims to incorporate other features to improve on some design failures. As was pointed out earlier this board was tested back to back with the JP equivalent and hands down had the edge in rail to rail transition at speed.
With the tail outline and the profile, the board does not need a 5th fin setup. The board turns incredibly well in a rail to rail transition where the last third of the boards rail is doing a lot of the work, so it is not reliant solely on the fins for grip. In my mind the 5th fin is often used to gain control/ grip when a board is turned flatter, which was a side affect of outlines with wider/ thicker tails. Having said that I'm not 100% sure what the final spec will be as various protos where used when shots where taken.
All in all the Hypernut features are a point of difference from other brands, not an attempt to recreate the same thing.
From memory the 7'2 is about 105, not sure about other sizes as yet.
Horses for courses and things will continue to progress.
Cheers
Marco
This board shaping principles are genius. Can be a solution to dig rail on those wide Vangard hips. Sure it doesn't need a back fin because the 4 fins system make bite the hips of the board behind the outline depression. This allows to carve the board from center instead of swiping it or dish pan from the tail
Plus buoyancy sets in both ends of the board is providing stability and drive while paddling.
Good job
Does this design have improved glide and tracking like the claims made for the Raptor or is it on par with most other short SUPs? I have to give this one a seriously look, especially if it comes in the less expensive AST construction. I'm 73kg but am looking at the 7'4" just for the paddle power and standing around ability. Please let me know if this is a serious mistake and if I should only be thinking 7'2" only. Thanks.
Hi Baddog,
It's difficult to define the Glide as this can sometimes depend on what you are used to or comparing with.
In general terms I find the 7'2 Hypernut easier to get on a wave than my other board the 8'0 x 28 pro even though it has a shorter rail. The nut outline does help with accelerating water around the board and the channels front and back also help with the water flow through / under the board. This is part of the Vanguard concept and what creates the advantages of a planning hull.
So yes glide is good in this respect and the boards do track better with the more parallel rail outline.
One other factor that helps with wave entry is the wider tails as they tend to get earlier lift from the coming wave and then they slip down the wave with quicker acceleration followed by drive from the quad fins.
Having said that I think technique plays a big part in the equation with respect to wave entry / count
I am 76kg and find the 7'2 more that stable enough, I personally would not look at the 7'4 and especially at your weight. These boards allow you to go smaller than you think and certainly if performance surfing is the goal.
Cheers,
Marco
So what is your thoughts on sizing if you are in the mid 90kg bracket??? The light weights seem to be well catered for, but us more generously proportioned types may need a bit more float
I second that question Gregc! I'm shaped like a mutant hobbit being 5'9" tall but 93kgs due to years of neglect. Been supping for a few years after a life of surfing and currently on a 7'11" board but really keen to get a vanguard this year so reading everything I can about all brands. Trying to loose some more kgs but can't promise anything! Any guidance is greatly appreciated!
Cheers Whitey
Hi Gregc,
Not to worry, the larger sizes (8'0 & 8'6) will well cater for larger guys and they have been tested by riders in heavier weight brackets. From memory even the 7'8 had the float for a guy in the low 90kg range.
I am just trying to find out the volumes and if I can post specs on the later models to be released.
Cheers,
Marco
Got a mate who is 92kg and has come off the pocket rocket and is loving the 7'4x30 he managed to get his hands on during prototyping.
Not sure if this is the final version of the board but must be pretty close.
Got a mate who is 92kg and has come off the pocket rocket and is loving the 7'4x30 he managed to get his hands on during prototyping.
Not sure if this is the final version of the board but must be pretty close.
Sounds like a winner to me.Don,t know when or why, but last winter an alien invaded my belly and it won,t go away so need some float as well.
Hi Baddog,
It's difficult to define the Glide as this can sometimes depend on what you are used to or comparing with.
In general terms I find the 7'2 Hypernut easier to get on a wave than my other board the 8'0 x 28 pro even though it has a shorter rail. The nut outline does help with accelerating water around the board and the channels front and back also help with the water flow through / under the board. This is part of the Vanguard concept and what creates the advantages of a planning hull.
So yes glide is good in this respect and the boards do track better with the more parallel rail outline.
One other factor that helps with wave entry is the wider tails as they tend to get earlier lift from the coming wave and then they slip down the wave with quicker acceleration followed by drive from the quad fins.
Having said that I think technique plays a big part in the equation with respect to wave entry / count
I am 76kg and find the 7'2 more that stable enough, I personally would not look at the 7'4 and especially at your weight. These boards allow you to go smaller than you think and certainly if performance surfing is the goal.
Cheers,
Marco
Marco, for intermediate rider, 75kg, is 7.2x28 still ok?
Looking at the SB ad for the Hypernut, the range starts at 7.2 going to 8.6 -- can you comment on the volumes and weight ratings for the range?
Hi DRun,
The production volume of the 7'2 is 105L, this still allows enough float and stability even when the conditions are a little bumpy. I can stand quite comfortably on the board in a relaxed stance and this is key to not burning up energy. This board is a really good balance of stability and performance.
Yes the 7'4 is going to be more stable and not a big increase in volume but for lighter riders or extra performance I think the 7'2 is my preferred option. I would say the 7'4 is going to be better suited to riders around 85kg or if you are wanting extra stability.
Below are the volumes that I can release now:
6'10 x 26.5 - close to 90L
7'2 x 28 - 105L
7'4 x 30 - 109L
7'8 x 30
8'0 x 31.5 - bigger boards over 130L
8'6 x 31.5
Cheers,
Marco
The thing I can't see any Qs on yet is the fin placement. The minion shape and other more "traditional" tomo sup shapes seem to have front and rear quad fins very close to the rails. The hypernut rears look quite different and a fair way off the rail by comparison. Is this taken care of by the narrower tail? Thoughts?
glad to see these evolving, and looking forward to a paddle on the 7'2"......
The thing I can't see any Qs on yet is the fin placement. The minion shape and other more "traditional" tomo sup shapes seem to have front and rear quad fins very close to the rails. The hypernut rears look quite different and a fair way off the rail by comparison. Is this taken care of by the narrower tail? Thoughts?
glad to see these evolving, and looking forward to a paddle on the 7'2"......
Hi tang, your question about fins position seems to me about the meanest difference between those two boards.
From watching surfers style while surfing; it appears than more style is off water as aerial maneuvers fins used are more deep or situated along rail . As style is more carved and powerful maneuvers fins are situated more inside.
To do a board loose but still holding, At least 3 options can be mix up.
1/Outline design up to tail width with hips, flyers at front fin position
2/ Lift tail coming from further up or down planning area situated at front position
3/ vee still around front fin coming along with lift tail amount.
4/ fins position and toe
And some more...
So Introducing a non conventional outline as Hypernut design or Meyeroffer do are using same principle. That design with depression curve creating hips like pivot point down the tail. This allows the rail and its associated fin off the rail to dig in .
For this reason you have pointed this is the meanest difference between those boards , dear Tang.