In the image of the Starboard Hypernut it says the rail is inverted. By "inverted" do they mean that the outline tucks in a little bit kind of like a peanut shell? If so, how much does rail tuck in and what is the purpose of it?
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In the image of the Starboard Hypernut it says the rail is inverted. By "inverted" do they mean that the outline tucks in a little bit kind of like a peanut shell? If so, how much does rail tuck in and what is the purpose of it?
I would like to read Marco about
As I think, the purpose of inverted outline what I call the depression curve is to make bite the rail like wingers or extra width at hips height.
Hi Tang,
In some of the earliest prototypes the fins were tested out on the rail, but as you highlighted it did not work as well when the tail is more pulled in. There is a lot more rail being engaged with the thinner / narrower tail profile and fins set more outboard created disturbance and a less fluid / smooth carve and transition from rail to rail.
Hi Magentawave,
By inverted they do mean that the rails are narrower / pulled in slightly forward of the mid section (much like a peanut), hence the name used on the first models using this concept (The Nut). On the Hypernut / Vanguard style smaller boards this same concept was also used as a lot of positive results came from the Nut.
The amount of Nut varies from size to size as to the desired affect and rail length, on the 7'2 Hypernut the amount of inward tuck is about 5 mm and on the 9'5 Nut it is about 10 mm.
Basically this concept does several things:
1. Acceleration and speed is way better than a conventional rail curve . The mid section curve accelerates the water.
2. It creates more of a rail to rail sensation. Bottom and top turns drop onto the rail easier due to the enhanced curve . Especially when trimming for speed down the line.
3. It makes for a shorter board outline allowing for tighter in the pocket turning.
All in all these points of difference is what makes the Hypernut an evolution / variation of the Vanguard concept. Some of the desired outcomes doing this were, trying to increase the range of use by reducing the sucky sensation in faster / hollower waves and being able to hold a line or rail carve at speed.
Cheers,
Marco
Just noticed Briskites has them on there website for pre order for July delivery.
$1859 for wood.
$2999 for carbon
Was going to seriously consider a carbon but not at that price.
Anybody know the weight of the different constructions?
As they haven't been made yet there is a chance of a price change later. With the low AUD all boards from all factories will be going up this year.
For the weights, maybe check similar volume boards on the Starboard website to see the weight difference in the relevant constructions.
i pre ordered the 7´2 x 28 Wood, but here in uruguay i will pay US dollars 2300 for it!!! ouch!! CARBS79 is that in AUD dollars? if so ist worth picking up a plane and bring it my self!!
Yesterday there was a beatiful sunny day here, warm wáter, no wind and perfect head high faces in a friendly line up.
first sessión in the moring i went out with my friend´s PROwave 8´5 x 28plus @109 liters.
IS NOT THAT SIMPLE !!! whole new technique, manage to stand still in the board, but had to arrange the timming again to catch any waves. Once in the wave, beatiful board, but, i was not i my best day at all.
In the evening i went out with my hokua gt 9´5 @ 140 liters. i felt it so slow, so big, so not the rigth board for the conditions.
I know that the hypernut is going to be a good challenge. Hopping a "doable" one
If the 8.5 Pro is still a struggle, why don,t you go for the slightly saver option of the 7.4?That is probably still a lot more maneuvrable as your Hokua and the 8.5Pro.It might be just me, but I have bad experiences with buying a LOT smaller board with really big gaps between the new and the old one and hoping you grown into it...because sometimes you simply don,t grow into it and get frustrated while you just need that inbetween step to make the progression.Just my2 cents.
because:
1-rocky Balboa said "no pain, no glory" hehehehehe
2-don´t want wider than my actual hokua
3-only been in the 8.5 pro for 3 hours in my life in 3 different conditions, so with practice i know i can.
4-at first its going to be part of a quiver, and for less than head high perfect glassy days.
5-i think that 15-20 liters is not a big gap, is actually more or less the same board. 30-35 is something that will need some work
thanks a lot for your 2 cents. i will take the risk
anyone coming to uruguay and wanting to bring the to me???
Thanks for responses kami and marco. I'm looking forward to a go on one of these. Though at $3,000 I'm not sure I'll be getting a carbon one for a few years....
cheers
I too was put off at the price tag on the carbon so I have gone the wood. cant wait to get it now
Kia ora Bender what size have you ordered, 7'2" x 28 ? I've ordered this size in carbon, should be here in a few weeks, I'm intermediate skiils wise, wrong side of 50 and 80 kegs so crossing fingers it will be handlable, even in wind affected swell we get here most of the time. From the countless minion, slate, vbox, raptor threads on here it would seem this size is about right and would allow for some comfort when its a bit soupy but interested in your thought process and what you've ordered as you are a similar weight (although doubtless much more handy on a surf SUP judging by your quiver!). Chur
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Kia ora Bender what size have you ordered, 7'2" x 28 ? I've ordered this size in carbon, should be here in a few weeks, I'm intermediate skiils wise, wrong side of 50 and 80 kegs so crossing fingers it will be handlable, even in wind affected swell we get here most of the time. From the countless minion, slate, vbox, raptor threads on here it would seem this size is about right and would allow for some comfort when its a bit soupy but interested in your thought process and what you've ordered as you are a similar weight (although doubtless much more handy on a surf SUP judging by your quiver!). Chur
7'2 x 28
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Just noticed Briskites has them on there website for pre order for July delivery.
$1859 for wood.
$2999 for carbon
Was going to seriously consider a carbon but not at that price.
Anybody know the weight of the different constructions?
I'm interested in this too. A thousand bucks extra....small boards with little swing weight in the nose....the 8x29 is 1.5kg heavier in wood at 105 litres but also has a bit extra glass etc around the foam than a 7'2"....perhaps it'll be 1-1.5kg heavier...?
Wow! $3000 !!
You could get a Deep Minion AND a Deep JC, both in carbon innegra, for about that money
After frothing over all these vanguard / minion/MPH threads for ages now I finally got to get an up close look and a couple cheeky waves on one of them. The starboard guys were out in mandurah today with the full set of sizes (or at least i think the full set).
The boards look awesome, I first got to paddle the 7'8 x 30 which me being 6'3 and 105kgs was a bit too small for me but actually quite do able (my usual board is a JP surf 9'2 136lt) the volume on the 7'8 is 115lt so most of it was under the water but I could still paddle around ok i was quite surprised at how stable it was and how well it tracked for such a short board.
I just had a real quick paddle on the 7'8 and then swapped over to the 8'0 which is 31.5 wide and 133lt, I was immediately at home on this board and found it to be probably a fair bit more stable than my JP, it also tracked very well and got into waves really easy. I consider the JP 9'2 surf to be a board which paddles really well, has good glide and gets into waves very easy and early. the hyper nut was only just marginally behind this board in terms of tracking, glide and getting into waves early and i found it easy to paddle and catch waves straight away which considering it is 14 inches shorter and it was my first few minutes on the board is incredible. The way that it picked up the wave and took off with immediate speed was very impressive. I was at avalon reef in the south of mandurah which is a pretty fat open wall wave and the few waves I got were only just breaking and reforming a bit but the board generated a lot of speed and stayed with the wave really well. I only got 3 quick waves on it and didn't get a chance to line up a good section to throw in a turn so I can't really comment on that side of things but as far as stability, tracking and getting into waves it was spot on.
(conditions were pretty glassy with a couple tiny bumps)
They also had the 8'6 there which is 140lt another local guy who is quite a big bloke and usually rides a starboard avanti was on that looking pretty comfy.
One thing that was noticeable across the range of sizes is that the bigger sizes have a fair bit more of a hip to them (more nutty
) than the smaller sizes.
Thanks to will from starboard for letting me have a go and thanks to mike from stand up surf shop for letting me pry the 8'0 off him for a little while
frothing
be interesting to know if the smaller sizes, say the 7"4 has reasonable glide and ability to get onto waves earlier for say the 80-85kg fellow, and what sort of board size in regular shape it would be comparable to.
there is a demo day next weekend i believe at mandurah, wonder if they will have them testing that day? be worth a run down there.
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be interesting to know if the smaller sizes, say the 7"4 has reasonable glide and ability to get onto waves earlier for say the 80-85kg fellow, and what sort of board size in regular shape it would be comparable to.
there is a demo day next weekend i believe at mandurah, wonder if they will have them testing that day? be worth a run down there.
They say the 7'4" is probably similar to the 8'5" Pocket Rocket or 7'10" Airborne
Yeah, I agree on the $$. They look fantastic and I'd love to give one a crack but that is just too damn much. I thought $2500 for the raptor was bad enough but these prices are just getting out of control. Aussie dollar and whatever other excuse is just getting old considering they are all probably made is Se Asia somewhere. Sounds like the normal excuses we get for being tailpipes off with petrol etc. Sorry for the whinge but I'm really disappointed with the prices and just simply out of my range. 
Hi Caution,
Unfortunately none of the Hypernuts will be down at the demo day in Mandurah, they are all heading over east for a promo tour over the next 4 weeks. We do not expect them to come back to WA until the second week of June.
The 7'4 is similar to the 7'10 Airborne in balance point but more like the 8'5 - 9'0 Pro in terms of stability. I would say that the 7'8 is more like the pocket rocket for float and feel.
Wave entry is surprisingly good for such small shapes, with the more parallel outline the boards track straighter and once you get a little push from a wave they get on and going pretty quick.
As we spent several hours testing all sizes at Avalon the other day, I was surprised at how well the larger sizes glide and turn even with a light weight riding them. I think the larger sizes turned some heads as to how well they performed considering they are longer / wider than what was earlier perceived as doable in this style of board.
Cheers,
Marco
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Aussie dollar and whatever other excuse is just getting old considering they are all probably made is Se Asia somewhere. Sounds like the normal excuses we get for being tailpipes off with petrol etc. Sorry for the whinge but I'm really disappointed with the prices and just simply out of my range.
I don't think they are making excuses yt. AUD went from $1.04USD to 76USc or roughly 25%
This takes a $2400 board to $3000.
95% of Asian factories charge in USD
Hi do you know about the smallest hypernut (the 7'2") - what starboard is it similar to ? (at present I ride the 7'4" x 28.5" x 3.4" =85Lt AB?:-)
thanks regards John :-)
Yep, I realise the Aussie dollar dropped but I still don't think that justifies the price. I would love to buy one of the new vanguards but imo they are just pricing them far too high. I understand that there is a lot of r&d to design them and the big companies add a few $$ extra for the name but it's becoming a bad joke. How come they are dearer than race boards that have so much more material in them? To my mind I feel a bit ripped off and simply can't afford them and I'm sure many others have the same mind. I've even looked at buying a board from Europe from a well known and respected shaper and his company and including exchange to euro, shipping here it still comes in at roughly $1800au for a full carbon, quality board. Considering companies here in Aus are making great boards a lot cheaper than the big 3 it just confirmed its time to look local, hello Burleigh! I don't have any affiliations with any companies and have to save up to buy a board as I have no other way of getting one. Just a bit pissed off really as they are simply too dear for me to buy and I was really looking forward to it, especially if I want to stay married! Sorry all for my rant but just really disappointed.
Congrats!! nice looking board
Wich model is it? I ordered the same length in Wood but i have to wait until august to put my hands on it, so just wanting to know how it wil look.
How much does it weigth?
Thanks a lot and waiting to your review!! hope you find clean, nice waves on a beatiful sunny warm and glassy day!!!
Mmmmmmmm......looking forward to seeing the production models in the flesh.
The protos looked good but the finish on the production models looks great.
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Hi Caution,
Unfortunately none of the Hypernuts will be down at the demo day in Mandurah, they are all heading over east for a promo tour over the next 4 weeks. We do not expect them to come back to WA until the second week of June.
The 7'4 is similar to the 7'10 Airborne in balance point but more like the 8'5 - 9'0 Pro in terms of stability. I would say that the 7'8 is more like the pocket rocket for float and feel.
Wave entry is surprisingly good for such small shapes, with the more parallel outline the boards track straighter and once you get a little push from a wave they get on and going pretty quick.
As we spent several hours testing all sizes at Avalon the other day, I was surprised at how well the larger sizes glide and turn even with a light weight riding them. I think the larger sizes turned some heads as to how well they performed considering they are longer / wider than what was earlier perceived as doable in this style of board.
Cheers,
Marco
no rush Marco, got to get thru the financial adviser first anyhow.
Im sure yoiu will have them at mettams early am when they are here.
Ill ask you bout it then and hopefully jump on for a test.
Rohin
thks marco!!!
the blue one, is the carbón finish?
I ordered the Wood one, but now (only aestetics based) i doubting.
Anyone that knows starboar, is the Wood construction that much better tan de AST? how much is the weight difference?
Thanks a lot!!
I wish Starboard would go back to leaving the deck pads off the Carbon models!! Let the consumer decide what kind of pad they want to ride. Maybe include the one they are now using but leave it to the store or customer to apply.
But on the topic of the HyperNut...I can't wait to get a go on the 7'2
