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fanatic allwave 8'6 boxy rails?

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Created by Supmaori > 9 months ago, 26 Sep 2013
Supmaori
746 posts
26 Sep 2013 6:34PM
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Hi just wandering what peoples opinions are on the rail , nose and rocker profile of this board.the 2013 version. With only a thruster set up does it maintain speed on wave and does it turn tightly. Some reviews have said its quite heavy
Any feedback welcome

treatyoself
54 posts
26 Sep 2013 11:39PM
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had the 8'6 before switching to the prowave. speed was not an issue(conditions mostly beach break). Very stable @175#. I can confirm it feeling heavy but that's because of the HRS construction. was a very fun board.

E T
QLD, 2286 posts
27 Sep 2013 8:39AM
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SUPmaori.
I have been surfing the Allwave 9'6" for a year now. I performs well in most areas.
But it is not a loose throw around board. It is a good longboard style surfSUP. It is a bit heavy compared to others but that can be a benefit at times also.
If you want more performance go for the Prowave. Plenty of good reports about them.
ET.

Supmaori
746 posts
27 Sep 2013 7:37AM
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Thanks guys..
i would assume the 8'6 compared to your 9'6 would be alot looser??..
cheers

Slab
1101 posts
27 Sep 2013 2:14PM
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Supmaori said..

Thanks guys..
i would assume the 8'6 compared to your 9'6 would be alot looser??..
cheers


Yes - comparing the 9ft 6 and 8ft 6 will be like chalk n cheese I guess.

There's a chap on the ZOne who knows the allwaves from the 9ft 10 right down to the 8ft 10. He's surfed them all. He says the 8ft 10 feels a totally diff board so I guess the 8ft 6 will be a noticeable jump down again...it will be loose. I have the 9ft 6 and if you get the foot on the tail it is plenty loose for a board that size.

matt18
VIC, 534 posts
27 Sep 2013 4:42PM
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Hi
I have a 8'6 and find the board does not loose any speed for the type of board it is. I reckon replacing the fins with better ones would add to the performance of the board (any ides anyone). Turn fine, does not catch rails. I think for the money they are great value for money if you are after a fun board. They arnt light but there not that heavy.
I am 6 foot and about 97kg and around 100 with a wetty floats me fine.
and I like beer
Cheers matt

Jimmy29
38 posts
27 Sep 2013 3:59PM
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I have the 8'6 and I'm 5'11 & 76kg, it's a great board, must be one of the most stable 8'6 x 30" boards out there, I surf beach breaks up to a couple of foot overhead and it performs really well, I run smaller fins - rainbow speedwings plus a 5" centre and this seems to have brought the board to life in smaller waves, the rails are boxy yes, but it has never been a problem for me, I've never had any sliding out issues, even when pumping a high line in the pocket, having said that I do not surf tubey powerful waves, so I'm not sure how it would behave in those kind of waves, for 99% of the waves I encounter it's a great choice!
Mine is a 2012 and weighs 21lbs with fins in.

Supmaori
746 posts
27 Sep 2013 5:22PM
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Thanks guys ..great feedback..i guess anything less in volume and width than my 9ft carrier is going to be a move towards more surfability...I have had one go on the lsd 8'6 flashback and enjoyed that...bt I like the look of the allwave..
Cheers again

Leroy13
VIC, 1174 posts
28 Sep 2013 7:54AM
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Matt likes beer.....lots! He also likes going vertical plus many other manouvers and was in 3-4ft beachbreaks in a howling Northerly. If you want it for more than that this isn't your board. Fin selection can really transform Allwaves. True they'll never be performance boards whatever they are. There is a point where the line between fun and performance is getting blurred at the moment. Over a certain age, If you have to continuosly paddle out prone,sit down while you are out the back and are unable to surf in anything less than perfection, then that is not a performance board it is an ego driven, testosterone fuelled need to prove ones masculinity. Get a shortboard!! Get a shortboard!! Get a shortboard!! Have fun, hit lips, pump down the line, do a cutback, do floaters, get barrels if hollow or big enough these boards can do it, plus you still can get up to the nose!!!

paddle4ever
9 posts
3 Oct 2013 1:37PM
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E T said..

SUPmaori.
I have been surfing the Allwave 9'6" for a year now. I performs well in most areas.
But it is not a loose throw around board. It is a good longboard style surfSUP. It is a bit heavy compared to others but that can be a benefit at times also.
If you want more performance go for the Prowave. Plenty of good reports about them.
ET.


grate board surf mine all the time on waves and its aa grate board bit of weight to it but works well out in the surf even if there's a little wind

Leroy13
VIC, 1174 posts
3 Oct 2013 5:37PM
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Why the red thumbs? It's a sociological investigation now. If you're too gutless or lazy to disagree you can press a red thumb? It appears that there is a core group of people on this forum that for whatever reason dislike what I say in general or what I say about Allwaves. And that's fair enough!!But just for all the other people that have left Seabreeze and have copped abuse or had there intelligence questioned by no named wannabes, if you're to gutless to put your name to put a simple post disagreeing then you're probably to gutless to be much of a surfer or you're illiterate. If you don't own an Allwave then you have no idea of their qualities and if your'e not a shaper then you have no idea about minor design adjustments that compensate for 'boxy rails'. Those are facts. My main concern/worry is that there are people pushing other similar products who are into this red thumb, green thumb thing as form of advancing there affiliated product without disclosure, (hopefully I'm very wrong) . In the end it doesn't matter much but the whole idea of a forum is to discuss and make comments, red thumbing is not conducive to sorting out issues or discussing design development. Red thumb away, it only proves that there are gutless morons reading the posts as well as intelligent, articulate people that might not agree with my comments or humour. That's a generational/state thing. When I finally mature mentally beyond 14 it will make a difference for all you cranky geriatrics

edhunter
NSW, 6 posts
1 Feb 2014 1:57AM
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I have had the 2014 model All Wave 8'6 since November last year. I dont know how anyone could call them heavy I find it easy to carry around and it has one of the best/easiest carry handles on the market. I have had the board out in 8-9 foot swell and loved it and I have had it out in the small stuff its great fun to nose ride and is easy to thow around from the tail overall a excellent board. It fits inside the car no problem when you find your 9'6 just a bit too long this board is perfect the shortness and the stability is unreal.

I agree Leroy13 there are some dumb asses in these forums that need to be boot off blocked from forums.

skipd
WA, 96 posts
1 Feb 2014 8:17AM
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Leroy13 said...
Matt likes beer.....lots! He also likes going vertical plus many other manouvers and was in 3-4ft beachbreaks in a howling Northerly. If you want it for more than that this isn't your board. Fin selection can really transform Allwaves. True they'll never be performance boards whatever they are. There is a point where the line between fun and performance is getting blurred at the moment. Over a certain age, If you have to continuosly paddle out prone,sit down while you are out the back and are unable to surf in anything less than perfection, then that is not a performance board it is an ego driven, testosterone fuelled need to prove ones masculinity. Get a shortboard!! Get a shortboard!! Get a shortboard!! Have fun, hit lips, pump down the line, do a cutback, do floaters, get barrels if hollow or big enough these boards can do it, plus you still can get up to the nose!!!

Maybe the red thumbs are because you basically called Matt a w,!/ker and he was just sharing his Experiance with that board ?

Leroy13
VIC, 1174 posts
1 Feb 2014 12:57PM
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skipd said..

Leroy13 said...
Matt likes beer.....lots! He also likes going vertical plus many other manouvers and was in 3-4ft beachbreaks in a howling Northerly. If you want it for more than that this isn't your board. Fin selection can really transform Allwaves. True they'll never be performance boards whatever they are. There is a point where the line between fun and performance is getting blurred at the moment. Over a certain age, If you have to continuosly paddle out prone,sit down while you are out the back and are unable to surf in anything less than perfection, then that is not a performance board it is an ego driven, testosterone fuelled need to prove ones masculinity. Get a shortboard!! Get a shortboard!! Get a shortboard!! Have fun, hit lips, pump down the line, do a cutback, do floaters, get barrels if hollow or big enough these boards can do it, plus you still can get up to the nose!!!

Maybe the red thumbs are because you basically called Matt a w,!/ker and he was just sharing his Experiance with that board ?



Sorry it came across that way, I have surfed with Matt for the last 3-4 years, was with him when he bought his board and consider him to be my best mate...... even if I am very slack in contacting him

Leroy13
VIC, 1174 posts
1 Feb 2014 12:58PM
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skipd said..

Leroy13 said...
Matt likes beer.....lots! He also likes going vertical plus many other manouvers and was in 3-4ft beachbreaks in a howling Northerly. If you want it for more than that this isn't your board. Fin selection can really transform Allwaves. True they'll never be performance boards whatever they are. There is a point where the line between fun and performance is getting blurred at the moment. Over a certain age, If you have to continuosly paddle out prone,sit down while you are out the back and are unable to surf in anything less than perfection, then that is not a performance board it is an ego driven, testosterone fuelled need to prove ones masculinity. Get a shortboard!! Get a shortboard!! Get a shortboard!! Have fun, hit lips, pump down the line, do a cutback, do floaters, get barrels if hollow or big enough these boards can do it, plus you still can get up to the nose!!!

Maybe the red thumbs are because you basically called Matt a w,!/ker and he was just sharing his Experiance with that board ?



Sorry it came across that way, I have surfed with Matt for the last 3-4 years, was with him when he bought his board and consider him to be a good surfer and my best mate...... even if I am very slack in contacting him (and I drink beer too!!) - lots!!

wavelength
1195 posts
1 Feb 2014 10:24AM
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I thought it read just fine, Leroy. I thought you said Matt ripped and the board was good. Maybe it's the blokes who have gone too short with their SUPs and were embarrassed to be confronted by your refreshing honesty.
As Jonathan Swift said: When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him.

micksmith
VIC, 1686 posts
1 Feb 2014 2:32PM
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Leroy13 said..

Matt likes beer.....lots! He also likes going vertical plus many other manouvers and was in 3-4ft beachbreaks in a howling Northerly. If you want it for more than that this isn't your board. Fin selection can really transform Allwaves. True they'll never be performance boards whatever they are. There is a point where the line between fun and performance is getting blurred at the moment. Over a certain age, If you have to continuosly paddle out prone,sit down while you are out the back and are unable to surf in anything less than perfection, then that is not a performance board it is an ego driven, testosterone fuelled need to prove ones masculinity. Get a shortboard!! Get a shortboard!! Get a shortboard!! Have fun, hit lips, pump down the line, do a cutback, do floaters, get barrels if hollow or big enough these boards can do it, plus you still can get up to the nose!!!


What the hell! Absolutely nothing wrong with this essay. Describes Matt perfectly, Matt you know we loves ya.

colas
5065 posts
1 Feb 2014 6:15PM
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As a side note, on the weight issue, note that all boards with inserts to put a windsurfing rig on them will be heavier, as you need to reinforce the board at the mast foot, but also on the deck & rails as the mast will exert quite a to of pressure when falling there (or just when the board is rocked by the waves with the sail laying on the water)

So if you do not windsurf, no need for a mast insert and the added weight. On the other hand, boards with mast inserts should be more resistant to rail dings.

Note that there are some boards that are both light and reinforced for windsurfing, but for this they are build like sailboards: PVC sandwich (more expensive). As they say: light, durable, cheap, choose two.

skipd
WA, 96 posts
2 Feb 2014 4:46PM
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My apologies for high jacking and putting this thread off the topic and to misinterpreting the comments.

Supmaori
746 posts
6 Feb 2014 5:20PM
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Hey guys and started this post and thought I'd provide some feedback now that I've surfed on the fanatic 8"6. In general a great board for all conditions..surfs and responds well..rails are more meaty but with thin tail and pulled in nose its not a problem. Surfed in small to overhead and super fun. I read comments from guys saying that its not a performance board but I've been impressed with it..and I've have 4 previous boards..naish , Simon Anderson, lsd and starboard. I changed fins from the standard fanatic ode board came with and this added more suitability to sup.overall im pleased I purchased it. Cheers

Chris_M
2129 posts
6 Feb 2014 6:10PM
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How much do you weigh SUPmaori?

I have the Allwave 9'6 and would like to downsize to a smaller Allwave. Its a mean board. Im between 95 and 100kg, reckon it would float me ok? I hate boards that are too low volume.

Chris_M
2129 posts
6 Feb 2014 6:11PM
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Chris_M said..

How much do you weigh SUPmaori?

I have the Allwave 9'6 and would like to downsize to a smaller Allwave. Its a mean board. Im between 95 and 100kg, reckon it would float me ok? I hate boards that are too low volume.


Im of intermediate to lower advanced ability

Allan123
7 posts
7 Feb 2014 8:20PM
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Leroy13 said..

Why the red thumbs? It's a sociological investigation now. If you're too gutless or lazy to disagree you can press a red thumb? It appears that there is a core group of people on this forum that for whatever reason dislike what I say in general or what I say about Allwaves. And that's fair enough!!But just for all the other people that have left Seabreeze and have copped abuse or had there intelligence questioned by no named wannabes, if you're to gutless to put your name to put a simple post disagreeing then you're probably to gutless to be much of a surfer or you're illiterate. If you don't own an Allwave then you have no idea of their qualities and if your'e not a shaper then you have no idea about minor design adjustments that compensate for 'boxy rails'. Those are facts. My main concern/worry is that there are people pushing other similar products who are into this red thumb, green thumb thing as form of advancing there affiliated product without disclosure, (hopefully I'm very wrong) . In the end it doesn't matter much but the whole idea of a forum is to discuss and make comments, red thumbing is not conducive to sorting out issues or discussing design development. Red thumb away, it only proves that there are gutless morons reading the posts as well as intelligent, articulate people that might not agree with my comments or humour. That's a generational/state thing. When I finally mature mentally beyond 14 it will make a difference for all you cranky geriatrics


For my 2c, I have an Allwave 9/5 (stock standard). It is an excellent all round board and also a very strong, durable and rigid board. Far better on build and durability than many other board types that I observed prior to purchase of my Allwave.

Additionally, I have observed many a viral/stealth marketing person posting on this forum. It is surprising to me that there are so many. Perhaps because SUP is on an exponential growth curve on sales it is worth the money paying these people from a corporate marketing perspective.

Cheers



supthecreek
2616 posts
9 Feb 2014 11:42AM
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Leroy... I can't believe I missed a good roustabout on an Allwave thread
Your great Leroy... keep telling it like it is.

Chris M... I weigh 97K dry, but with all assorted winter gear all wet and such... reality is 106K

I have owned an 8'10 Allwave since May. It has been my go-to board in all conditions. I also have a smaller, higher performance shape that I love, but can't use it in full gear.... NO problem on the Allwave. VERY stable and easy at my winter weight.

I made a video on my 8'10 a few weeks ago. It was head high and a bit weak at high tide. I included the paddle in parts to showcase how well the 8'10 Allwave behaves. I have since sold it and am moving on to a Prowave after 3 Allwaves.... but I loved that 8'10.

Since it was my parting shot on the Allwave, I took a few on the head, just to show my confidence in the HRS construction.... in fact, I trust that construction SO much... that I went against conventional wisdom and ordered the HRS version of the Prowave. I have to wait 3 months... cuz they sent them all to OZ

Chris_M
2129 posts
9 Feb 2014 2:50PM
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Thanks for that SUPTHECREEK!

Some good info, and the vid was good too. Nice and clean!

Ill be keeping an eye out for some good deals on 8'10 Allwaves

Supmaori
746 posts
10 Feb 2014 8:53AM
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Hey Chris Im 95kgs and intermediate to advanced skill level..have no problem with the 8'6 Allwave in terms of float/volume and stability. Will probably look at getting a prowave carbon model with sinmilar specs as my next board..but cant fault the Fanatic 8'6.
hope that helps.
Cheers



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