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Created by elbeau > 9 months ago, 13 Aug 2015
adamj2281
81 posts
20 Aug 2015 5:22AM
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Just put the order in for the JL B&B 10'1", will update with full review once I get a few days out on it

linter
223 posts
20 Aug 2015 6:20PM
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good luck w it. hope you like it. it rides very differently from any other sup, so keep that in mind. i know of a very big jimmy dealer who refuses to sell them, just because most people, when they get on one the first few times, just hate the damn thing. i certainly hope ymmv!

riverider
TAS, 1100 posts
20 Aug 2015 9:41PM
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adamj2281 said..
Just put the order in for the JL B&B 10'1", will update with full review once I get a few days out on it



I had a 8'11" JL striker for a few years that would have to be one of the most funest sups I have surfed, surfs well of the nose or the tail, a couple of months ago upgraded to the 9'6" B & B as I was looking for a full on noserider, yes I'd did take a couple of surfs to get it wired, but when you do you will love it

adamj2281
81 posts
21 Aug 2015 2:05AM
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linter said..
good luck w it. hope you like it. it rides very differently from any other sup, so keep that in mind. i know of a very big jimmy dealer who refuses to sell them, just because most people, when they get on one the first few times, just hate the damn thing. i certainly hope ymmv!


Yeah, Jimmy said the same thing, little worried as I could have gone with the Sunova Style or Fanatic Stylemaster, but I really wanted something dedicated to noseriding, and figured Jimmy would make the best.

elbeau
WA, 986 posts
25 Aug 2015 3:58AM
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I've just picked up a new Sunova style 10' Will let you know what if I can nose ride it ten toes over.

Casso
NSW, 3768 posts
25 Aug 2015 5:53PM
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DEEP 11 foot nose rider:







... just saying

Sandsy1
NSW, 814 posts
27 Aug 2015 2:27PM
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Nice surfing Casso. But, on the nose and ten over are two completely different things.
Lets see em dangle!!

By the way they look a really neat board.

linter
223 posts
27 Aug 2015 3:47PM
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yeah, i agree, great as those pix are, and lord do i wish i could do what you're doing, but that's riding on the nose, not noseriding, albeit darn close. relatedly, why is it so damned difficult to get those last few inches forward to allow them piggies to dangle?

nope:


yup:


(not me. obviously. )

supthecreek
2616 posts
27 Aug 2015 10:34PM
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I have never been distressed if my toes weren't over the edge, while its nice.... it isn't all there is to noseriding.

-the feeling like I'm standing on a diving board, suspended above the water.... just air below me.

-the small ankle flips, to turn the board from the nose.

-the "stall" feeling, when you are slotted and in total control

10 is nice.... but you are missing a lot of joy if 3" leaves you disappointed .....yup... that doesn't sound right

Good stuff Casso... exactly what I mean

linter
223 posts
28 Aug 2015 1:10AM
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don't get me wrong, i know exactly what you're saying. but from what i can gather, getting five over, not to mention ten, seems to be a quantum leap more difficult than riding on the nose, even 3" from the nose. sure, it's only 3" but to bridge the gap to the tip takes far more skill than the number alone might suggest. it's a vast gulf, really, and thus i think the distinction ought to be made, if only to honor those who can accomplish what so many others can't or are just trying to or, in fact, don't care about.


damo666
ACT, 160 posts
28 Aug 2015 6:50AM
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linter said..
don't get me wrong, i know exactly what you're saying. but from what i can gather, getting five over, not to mention ten, seems to be a quantum leap more difficult than riding on the nose, even 3" from the nose. sure, it's only 3" but to bridge the gap to the tip takes far more skill than the number alone might suggest. it's a vast gulf, really, and thus i think the distinction ought to be made, if only to honor those who can accomplish what so many others can't or are just trying to or, in fact, don't care about.




And I think you just hit the nail there - getting from noseriding to a proper 10-toes over is rarely due to the board (within reason), its all up to the skill & timing the rider has.

Its the indian, not the arrow!

adamj2281
81 posts
30 Aug 2015 11:19PM
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So, I've got 3 sessions on the JL B&B 10'1", here's my quick impressions, although conditions haven't been ideal.
Session#1: sideshore wind, really high tide, weak waist high rollers
Session#2: Too much wind, should have kited instead of SUP
Session #3: Clean, chest to head, some closeouts, would typically be on my AW if I hadn't just gotten this one

-Stability/Paddling: It's plenty stable for me (6'0, 175 lbs), I ride a Fanatic AW 9'2" as my primary board, so it's not as stable as that, but really no issues. To mirror what Linter has said, it is a bit slow to paddle, and it definitely feels like it's the concave and rails slowing it down. I'm not really worried about it, but I am a bit concerned that it may make catching smaller waves difficult.

-Build/Weight: I haven't weighed it officially although I may today, it feels lighter than my 9'2" AW, which was a pleasant surprise. I love the full deck pad, not sure why more companies haven't thought to do this on longboards. Build is solid, single fin is massive and was a bit of a pain to get in place.

-Ride: So, this board is kinda like a home run hitter, in 3 sessions, I've lined up roughly 5 really fun rides where I got to the nose and the concave did it's job. Now, a lot of this is conditions, other than this morning where the surf finally cleaned up and I could pick some clean rides out. The first session I cheated and basically angled the board in the direction I wanted to go and didn't really work on the pivot turn. Today, I worked the pivot turn into the smaller waves when I get them, and it works pretty well. I rode a few waves normal without trying to noseride, and it will turn decently with some glide, little wobbly in the middle of the board. Echoing what everyone else has said, this board takes some getting used too, and is by no means all-around, but....................

The few times I got to the nose and felt it accelerate through the wave with good stability was probably the most fun I've had on a SUP in months. So.......all in all, Jimmy delivered on this one.

If you want a dedicated noserider, this seems to be it, if you want an all-around you occasionally noseride, I'd look at a different board.

elbeau
WA, 986 posts
31 Aug 2015 7:33PM
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adamj2281 said..
So, I've got 3 sessions on the JL B&B 10'1", here's my quick impressions, although conditions haven't been ideal.
Session#1: sideshore wind, really high tide, weak waist high rollers
Session#2: Too much wind, should have kited instead of SUP
Session #3: Clean, chest to head, some closeouts, would typically be on my AW if I hadn't just gotten this one

-Stability/Paddling: It's plenty stable for me (6'0, 175 lbs), I ride a Fanatic AW 9'2" as my primary board, so it's not as stable as that, but really no issues. To mirror what Linter has said, it is a bit slow to paddle, and it definitely feels like it's the concave and rails slowing it down. I'm not really worried about it, but I am a bit concerned that it may make catching smaller waves difficult.

-Build/Weight: I haven't weighed it officially although I may today, it feels lighter than my 9'2" AW, which was a pleasant surprise. I love the full deck pad, not sure why more companies haven't thought to do this on longboards. Build is solid, single fin is massive and was a bit of a pain to get in place.

-Ride: So, this board is kinda like a home run hitter, in 3 sessions, I've lined up roughly 5 really fun rides where I got to the nose and the concave did it's job. Now, a lot of this is conditions, other than this morning where the surf finally cleaned up and I could pick some clean rides out. The first session I cheated and basically angled the board in the direction I wanted to go and didn't really work on the pivot turn. Today, I worked the pivot turn into the smaller waves when I get them, and it works pretty well. I rode a few waves normal without trying to noseride, and it will turn decently with some glide, little wobbly in the middle of the board. Echoing what everyone else has said, this board takes some getting used too, and is by no means all-around, but....................

The few times I got to the nose and felt it accelerate through the wave with good stability was probably the most fun I've had on a SUP in months. So.......all in all, Jimmy delivered on this one.

If you want a dedicated noserider, this seems to be it, if you want an all-around you occasionally noseride, I'd look at a different board.


Good to see an honest review. Thanks Adam.

subber
76 posts
31 Aug 2015 10:56PM
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elbeau said..
I've just picked up a new Sunova style 10' Will let you know what if I can nose ride it ten toes over.


Elbeau, have you been out on you Style yet?

Scottydc
NSW, 73 posts
1 Sep 2015 9:39AM
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Had this pop up in FB yesterday . There were no details, only pics. I'm guessing it's going to be a new release from SB. Looks like quiete a refined, classic, log style shape. Just going off the pics, I reckon it will be a pretty good nose rider.

https://www.facebook.com/windsurfnsnow.watersports/posts/455912321263821

elbeau
WA, 986 posts
1 Sep 2015 10:57AM
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Took it out at town beach Port Macquarie and was disappointed. It seemed slow and jittery compared to the Drive. Conditions were like a washing machine though. Took it out yesterday at Crescent head. Lovely conditions, nice bit of swell and not much wind. It felt much better, more stable. Still felt a bit slower to paddle than the Drive, maybe because it has less litres. I don't want to bad mouth the Drive because it has been a great board for many years. Excellent in many ways. The foot pad never needed regluing, it was a robust board that rode well in lots of different conditions. My main beef with it was its corkyness. It could be a bit difficult going out though white water and would shy away from foam like a frightened horse. It also had a habit if sliding sideways a bit when you got up near the nose. Still a good board though. The Sunova addresses the issues I had. The thinner nose helps it punch through the foam better and it isn't as skittish. It steers nicely from the nose. Very stable. I attribute the feeling of being slower to me paddling too far back on the board initially. The handle is much better than the Starboards although mine was an early model. I think they changed the handles later. The Sunova feels lighter and turns easily. I haven't managed ten toes over the nose yet but will post if I achieve that. I don't think two rides on a new board are enough to be able to critique it fairly. I will post another review after I have had it for a while longer. Happy with the Sunova as for now and can only see it getting better.

husq2100
QLD, 2031 posts
1 Sep 2015 1:12PM
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Cant believe knobs arguing over nose riding ....as for cassos effort, that is nose riding maybe not hanging 5 or 10.

And how many of you KBH can surf like that?

I know I cant.

subber
76 posts
1 Sep 2015 11:47AM
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Took it out at town beach Port Macquarie and was disappointed. It seemed slow and jittery compared to the Drive. Conditions were like a washing machine though. Took it out yesterday at Crescent head. Lovely conditions, nice bit of swell and not much wind. It felt much better, more stable. Still felt a bit slower to paddle than the Drive, maybe because it has less litres. I don't want to bad mouth the Drive because it has been a great board for many years. Excellent in many ways. The foot pad never needed regluing, it was a robust board that rode well in lots of different conditions. My main beef with it was its corkyness. It could be a bit difficult going out though white water and would shy away from foam like a frightened horse. It also had a habit if sliding sideways a bit when you got up near the nose. Still a good board though. The Sunova addresses the issues I had. The thinner nose helps it punch through the foam better and it isn't as skittish. It steers nicely from the nose. Very stable. I attribute the feeling of being slower to me paddling too far back on the board initially. The handle is much better than the Starboards although mine was an early model. I think they changed the handles later. The Sunova feels lighter and turns easily. I haven't managed ten toes over the nose yet but will post if I achieve that. I don't think two rides on a new board are enough to be able to critique it fairly. I will post another review after I have had it for a while longer. Happy with the Sunova as for now and can only see it getting better.


Thanks for the thoughts on your initial sessions. Yeah, two rides is hardly enough for a fair critique.

How about the shape? Does it have flat rocker in the front and/or lots of tail kick...or maybe low tail kick.
I see its a pin-tail with big trash can nose (like my Pearson Laird Surftech).
Also, what are the rear rails like - do they have sharp edges or soft and round?

SUPbru
386 posts
1 Sep 2015 1:55PM
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Hey subber - I thought I would give you my 2 cents worth on the 10' Style which basically echos what elbeau already mentioned.

I've previously owned a couple of Laird Surfers...initially the 10'6 x 32" which was a great board to learn on but it started feeling a bit sluggish once I picked up the basics (especially in bigger surf) so I opted for a 10'6 x 30" which I definitely preferred (setup as a quad) although in hindsight, I should have jumped straight from the 10'6 x 32" to the 10' x 30" but hey-ho.

I bought an 8'5 Speeed towards the end of summer & I'm completely sold on the Sunova product offering i.e. workmanship / durability / weight / value for money & most importantly, performance. After parting ways with my Laird to make way for my Speeed, I decided that I still wanted/needed a longboard ride in my quiver so I opted for the 10' Style.

I'm a sissy when it comes to the cold so I've only been out a handful of times this winter in pretty average conditions however, my initial feedback is as follows:

- not as stable as my 10'6 x 30" Laird however that's to be expected (it's plenty stable enough)
- initially felt a bit sluggish to paddle + to get onto smaller waves however I'm not sure if that's because I've been spending more time on my Speeed which is super quick & responsive to paddle or if my weight was possibly in the wrong place
- pops over white water well
- on the few decent waves I have caught, the board really comes to life off the tail
- I've been using the Sunova box fin (which is great quality) & although it's taken a bit of time to get use to, there's no going back for me now
- I've trotted up the nose a good few times & despite not really knowing what I'm doing once I'm on the nose, the board responds really well to subtle changes (my gut feeling is that this is where this board will excel)

The only thing I need to be conscious of is not to bury the nose on take-off but that's mainly because the Speeed has spoilt me whereby it's almost impossible to bury the nose.

I've attached some pics for your reference:

- really thin nose profile however the nose rocker is not very pronounced (especially vs my Speeed) but I'm guessing that's what makes it a good nose rider?
- good tail kick & it's a given that it surfs well off the tail (the swing weight is surprisingly good for this size & shape of board)
- the rails are pretty sharp for the back 1' of the board (from the front of the side FCS plugs backwards) & yes, it's got a nice narrow tail

I'm dead keen to try the 9'6 Style as a comparison however if not, roll on summer so that I can really put my 10' Style through it's paces












subber
76 posts
2 Sep 2015 6:12AM
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SUPing said..


- really thin nose profile however the nose rocker is not very pronounced (especially vs my Speeed) but I'm guessing that's what makes it a good nose rider?
- good tail kick & it's a given that it surfs well off the tail (the swing weight is surprisingly good for this size & shape of board)
- the rails are pretty sharp for the back 1' of the board (from the front of the side FCS plugs backwards) & yes, it's got a nice narrow tail


Hey SUPing! Thanks for the review and the pictures.

Yes, I think the lower rocker in the nose allows for better noseriding. It seems the dedicated noseriders have very little nose rocker.
My Pearson Laird Surftech 10'6" is a great noserider but bogs down if you get way far up I think due to a bit too much rocker -
I'm on the front third of the board all the time, but unable to hang five -
but a little more nose rocker makes it a more all around board and able to surf big waves.

I think the pintail also helps a board to be able to handle larger waves and turn better, but gives a bit less surface
to be held down for noseriding - I think not too important for noseriding unless you are trying to hang toes over.
I do like the pintail cause you can take size and turn better.

According to what I've read (an linter also says) the dedicated noseriders have soft round rails all the way back.
I can see and you pointed out that the Sunova Style's rails are pretty sharp for the back foot of the board. While
not as good for tip riding - since the round rails allow the water to hold the tail down, I think the sharper rails in
the tail make it turn more quickly and precisely - that is also how I think my Laird is.

So, it seems to me the Style is more of a performance longboard than an old school log noserider.
That is what I was trying to figure out. Ha! that is what Sunova stresses in their advertisment - Performance - and I'm sure it performs very well.
I'm still really intrigued by the flex and rebound of the balsa wood frame - that my surftech doesn't have.

Let me know if I'm wrong here.

Very cool board and looks awesome!
Thanks!



SUPbru
386 posts
2 Sep 2015 6:52AM
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No worries subber & everything you mention makes sense to me - thanks for explaining. I'm certainly no authority to answer this (the Sunova team are clearly better placed) however I think the tail of the Style lends itself to performance whereas the nose profile lends itself to nose riding so there's definitely a solid cross-over?

I know it's been said on this forum before however the balsa constuction really does make the Sunova boards feel smooth as....a little bit of magic right there

JarrodSW
QLD, 44 posts
4 Sep 2015 10:56AM
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The owner of The Surfboard Warehouse Tim, product testing our latest nose rider SUP - Atlantis "Runway" 10 x 29 x 4 - 128L










linter
223 posts
4 Sep 2015 6:16PM
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nice nice nice. now that's what i call noseriding!

btw/ got a video of this you could share?

2222222
NSW, 54 posts
6 Sep 2015 8:59PM
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ShireSUP said..



When I was up the coast recently I was over the 11' for a few reasons and wanted to try the Style 10', so I demo'd one. First wave, down the face, bottom turn, straight to the nose, had a cup of tea and cooked the BBQ I was there so long, fell in love right there and then




That's your board then. I heard you're pretty partial to a BBQ.

JarrodSW
QLD, 44 posts
9 Sep 2015 11:59AM
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linter said..
nice nice nice. now that's what i call noseriding!

btw/ got a video of this you could share?


Here is our edit from the same shoot. Check it out.

linter
223 posts
9 Sep 2015 6:15PM
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so cool, thanks. and great noseriding skills, esp. given how loose that board seems and how small the fins must be!

TimBurleigh
QLD, 112 posts
9 Sep 2015 9:00PM
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Thanks Linter,

This was my first real surf on our finalised shape so it took a few waves to feel out. Tail is nicely pulled in so it felt really manouverable and the refined rails really made me want throw a lot more at each turn. The fin set up was one that we have been working on and it worked really well with this board - Tailored 8 inch cutaway centre and some GX stabilisers with refined tips. I surfed our first prototype with a 10 inch Axe fin and it went well but being 10 foot and having the extra width I found the stabilisers help prevent me attempting helicopters every wave and assisted the board through turns. I can't wait to get this board in the water again... let me know if anyone wants to go for a wave and swap out for a few.

linter
223 posts
9 Sep 2015 8:42PM
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next time, let's see some frontside walking!
or more backside.
either way, it's inspiring stuff, seeing toes actually over the nose. sweet.

TimBurleigh
QLD, 112 posts
15 Sep 2015 10:22AM
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Trying to convince the wife that a trip to indo for some lefts will be a good idea for our next shoot

cantSUPenough
VIC, 2131 posts
15 Sep 2015 12:48PM
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I have been reading through all the information but I am trying to come to a conclusion.

It looks like the Atlantis Runway has been designed as a true noserider (and you can't beat the price).

What is the verdict on the Sunova Style? Is it a "true noserider"?

And does anyone have a weight comparison of the 10' versions?

Also, I have a friend who wants to learn. Could you learn on either of these? He is 80 kg (maybe lighter) and has ridden mals since forever.



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