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Golfers elbow/ medial epicondylitis advice

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Created by scotty100 > 9 months ago, 22 Jun 2014
scotty100
QLD, 233 posts
22 Jun 2014 11:40AM
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It may just be old age , but had niggling pain on inside of elbows. A bit of internet surfing and I think I can presume it's medial epicondylitis golfer elbow. Doesn't want to go away . Has ant one else suffered this or is there something wrong with my stroke. Been paddling 5 years but only last year becoming problem and I haven't changed my stroke in the last 2 years much. I know once hit 45 things start falling apart but still hope when Dave kalama still paddling strong.any advice on what may be causing it or treatment. Seen a few exercise for treatment on web but not paddling specific . Dreading riding a mal and my race boards prone till fixed as I think they shouldn't agrivevate problem with prone paddling but correct me if I'm wrong?
thanks in advance

chrispy
WA, 9675 posts
22 Jun 2014 10:31AM
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Hit search,there was a great thread on here about this with some sound advice. Should be made a permanent thread

Macaha
QLD, 21900 posts
22 Jun 2014 1:02PM
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If its a sharp pain its probably tendentious or as you say tennis or golfers elbow,I suffer in both elbows one on the inside and the other outside,I've tried anti creams and pills which none have worked its coursed by overload the only relieve is rest you can do exersiseres which help but very little unfortunately.i've tried massaging which funny enough they massage your outer upper back,shoulders and don't touch the elbow this relieved the pain but as soon as you load the elbows up again the pain returns,so I just train through it,hurts like hell but what else do you do?I found taking a 3 week break reduced the pain.

Ron54
NSW, 56 posts
22 Jun 2014 2:39PM
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Theres a good YouTube video,which I can't find it ,shows how to grip the paddle.One of the causes of golfers elbow is gripping to tight causing pain where then tendons join.Cup your top hand over the T piece (don't grip or hold)and use your cores and twist your body to push the paddle,use your pointer and middle finger to grab on to the shaft,no strain on your elbows.Go to Rebel sports buy a "moon ball" (sorta like a plastic ball with craters in it)only $5-6 bucks use one hand to hold it on the sore point wiggle your fingers and wrists.Can be done in the water buy using you opposite thumb,elbow guards to put pressure on the tender parts while paddling (trigger point therapy)or cortisone injections.Like the rest of us welcome to old age.

Goita
VIC, 38 posts
22 Jun 2014 8:04PM
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chrispy said...
Hit search,there was a great thread on here about this with some sound advice. Should be made a permanent thread


Tried to search , but couldn't find anything. I also suffer from this and would like to find the thread you r talking about. What was the thead called.

petedorries
QLD, 700 posts
22 Jun 2014 8:07PM
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I tried everything. including rest. Still flares up.

Acupuncture. I couldn't believe how fast it worked. I scoffed when it was recommended and did everything else but.

beerdead
NSW, 433 posts
22 Jun 2014 11:33PM
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+ 1 for acupuncture.
Rest
Ice
Compression
Elevation

AndyR
QLD, 1344 posts
23 Jun 2014 7:35AM
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petedorries said...
I tried everything. including rest. Still flares up.

Acupuncture. I couldn't believe how fast it worked. I scoffed when it was recommended and did everything else but.


+2 get the needles in there!!
I suffered from it on the inside of the elbow for 3 years while rock climbing heavily (twice week) rested it for three months once first climb back same pain. Acupuncture works realeases it really well, haven't had the pain in the two years I've been paddling.
Tiger balm is great To warm the area up before exercise and often prolonged the pain setting in

Macaha
QLD, 21900 posts
23 Jun 2014 7:41AM
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^ how many sessions did you require ?

chrispy
WA, 9675 posts
23 Jun 2014 6:23AM
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I will go against the grain here. I have medial and lateral tendon damage with a bone fragment embedded into the medial tendon.

I was first advised on physio,didn't work as they were rubbish. Some are.
Then I got some cortisone,worked for most other ailments I have,so I was confident of a good outcome....was painful and did not work.
Gave acupuncture a whirl,waste off money and time,also did not help me stop smoking.
Then the surgeon gave me the drill on what he was going to do. I opted to keep.searching for a bit as he scared the **** out off me.

Then found my go.to.sports therapists. Exercise saved me from a massive operation and a even bigger rehab phase.

I must stress that this will not work for all,yet my surgeon is amazed at where I am.

.I did.try and search for the previous thread,but Laurie and his anti spam and new.fandangled system, plus my lack of memory have not helped me find it. Surely someone will.remember as one particular person gave advice on what I was paying big coin to help me.

ShireSUP
NSW, 982 posts
23 Jun 2014 9:26AM
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I have seen this a few times in different sports although never happened to me, try wearing a strap when you paddle just below the elbow..........I have seen paddlers with them, and I box same thing brings relief - you can buy them in the chemist

Tang
VIC, 580 posts
23 Jun 2014 9:28AM
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Google sup medicine and there are some good exercises suggested at the end of the article.

Fly on da wall
SA, 725 posts
23 Jun 2014 9:45AM
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Try using a tenex elbow shock absorber. They work n don't cost much.

scotty100
QLD, 233 posts
23 Jun 2014 1:10PM
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yes acupuncture is the reason I can even do sup as my back and neck stuffed from footy. but even with the 17 needles every few weeks the elbow problem comes back , so looking for more ways to avoid reoccurrences . strength exercises/ flexibility options. ordered band-it elbow brace from states $20 del off fishpond looks like the best brace out there. any one got any exercises or stretching that is effective.??

rockmagnet
QLD, 1458 posts
23 Jun 2014 2:03PM
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It is usual fixed very easily by holding the arm out straight curling the hand in towards the inside wrist.You may need to bend the arm slightly pushing the fingers in toward the wrist until you feel the place that hurts.Move your fingers around a bit till you feel the sore spot. Using the other hand to push hard, this will stretch the tendons which lead from the fingers to the elbow and simply stretch the inflammation out a bit. It will hurt but just keep stretching it like this for a few days and the inflammation should go away.

Piros
QLD, 6996 posts
23 Jun 2014 3:08PM
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Thanks Rockmagnet that works

bspot68
QLD, 166 posts
24 Jun 2014 4:50PM
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hey, have been treating my elbows for 8 month, may have started out as tennis elbow but i did take a hard blow to my right elbow i was treated for
it for 4 months with acupuncture and 2 shots of cortisone, no one wanted to get me a scan till an indian doctor who was giving me acupuncture sent me for one.
ended up showing a 18mm by 7mm tear in the right tendon and a 2mm tear in the left, after seeing a surgeon I'm now into my second round of PRP blood injections with my next scan tomorrow and mostly more PRP next week after seeing the surgeon again. I'm hoping for some change.. if you haven't had a scan go and find a doctor that will give you one, i was treating for the wrong problem for 4 months. s**s me that these pricks don't really give a f*** about whats really going on they just want there money.

MarkThommo
VIC, 48 posts
24 Jun 2014 8:54PM
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I've had a bad case of both golfers and tennis elbow - same arm. May sound crazy, but I (along with Jankie in Bali) have found that lifting the board on and off the roof racks is much more irritating to these conditions than paddling. If you lock your elbow almost straight throughout the stroke, there isn't too much pressure on the elbow. However, lifting a board awkwardly on and off the roof racks is. Take your time to get a good hold of your board and don't reach too far whilst taking the weight of the board with the bad arm. FYI, Jankie pretty much stopped delivery service with his SUP hire as it was the lifting on and off that stuffed his elbow - not the paddling. So watch that technique as well.

scotty100
QLD, 233 posts
27 Jun 2014 9:35AM
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anyone got good links to proper stroke breakdown and mechanics of stroke. what all think about shortening reach of stroke taking less pressure off elbows.???

weiry
QLD, 5396 posts
27 Jun 2014 11:50AM
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try using the other hand

BenKirk
NSW, 600 posts
27 Jun 2014 12:14PM
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I used to have the same problem until I did the following three things (not sure if one or all helped):

1. Shorter paddle - if you push a heavy door open, try pushing it at chest height then try again with your hand above your head. There's a big difference.
2. Don't bend your arms - you can paddle pretty well without having to bend the arms. Keeping them straight seems to work, you may need to adjust your paddling technique initially as you will need to rotate around the core more. Of course arms are bent through wave based turns etc.
3. Stop using your thumbs to grip the paddle. Brickies get bad elbows from using their thumbs and fingers on either side to pick up bricks. Try paddling with the thumb on the same side of the shaft as your fingers (far out that sounds dodgy).

Try all of the above (once you have rested and the pain is diminished) and hopefully it'll help!

Cheers

laurie
WA, 3848 posts
27 Jun 2014 11:43AM
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I currently have tennis elbow (lateral epicondilytis). This is the 4 fourth time it's flared up.

Caused by overuse - previously got it from playing too much guitar, too much kitesurfing, and this time to much supping+surfing. Last summer I pre-trained my arms before summer, and got through without pain, but somehow it came back.

I used every technique to cure it each time, and each one worked differently:

Different combinations of rest, massage, acupuncture & cortisone. My research say no diffinitive fixes. It's a bugger of an injury.

Once, a week of solid rest fixed it - i.e. bandaged the arm up like it was broken & didn't move it/use it. It's hard to treat a hurty elbow seriously, whereas a broken arm, nobody questions putting it in a cast until it's healed.

Other times, it's lasted 12 weeks. Acupuncture halved the pain. Once, it just wouldn't heal, so went the coritsone and that got it over the line, but not a fan of cortisone.

This time, trying rest... acupuncture next week ... shall see how it goes...


laurie
WA, 3848 posts
27 Jun 2014 11:47AM
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Regards search: Sorry - it does suck - it's on the fix list.

There is a google search of the site.. if you visit the top Help menu & choose "Search", you'll find 268+ forum topics on hurty elbows:

Type in "tennis elbow" to this page (& choose "search (x) seabreeze.com.au")

www.seabreeze.com.au/info/search.asp

Sparky
WA, 1121 posts
27 Jun 2014 11:59AM
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I windsurf and sup and also work many long hours as a chiropractor. I treat many patients with golfers elbow and tennis elbow. I also have suffered with it on occasion. Obvious all the avoidance techniques are very important to limit it happening in the first place. I get very good results from deep localised pressure on the insertion of the tendons ( epicondyles). Sometimes deep massage up and down the length of the forearm muscle and onto the epicondyles. Use a lot of pressure. Can use localised ice wrapped in a damp towel afterwards. Repeat every 3-4 days to allow healing of the tissues. Can use a anti-inflammatory cream like neurofen or voltaren gels to do the deep massage. A gentle rub (of your arm!) before sport can also warm up the arms, as can a gentle stretch with a flexed wrist and then an extended wrist as described before.

dk78
141 posts
27 Jun 2014 2:23PM
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Hi, check this video, i had elbow pain and these exercises helped me a lot.




chucktheskiffie
219 posts
27 Jun 2014 2:51PM
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bspot68 said...
hey, have been treating my elbows for 8 month, may have started out as tennis elbow but i did take a hard blow to my right elbow i was treated for
it for 4 months with acupuncture and 2 shots of cortisone, no one wanted to get me a scan till an indian doctor who was giving me acupuncture sent me for one.
ended up showing a 18mm by 7mm tear in the right tendon and a 2mm tear in the left, after seeing a surgeon I'm now into my second round of PRP blood injections with my next scan tomorrow and mostly more PRP next week after seeing the surgeon again. I'm hoping for some change.. if you haven't had a scan go and find a doctor that will give you one, i was treating for the wrong problem for 4 months. s**s me that these pricks don't really give a f*** about whats really going on they just want there money.


Good to see this great therapy being used!

Try some Thymosin Beta 4 and some AOD injections as well... really really helps with the healing process (there is a reason Essendon is in trouble for these things, they work!)

rockmagnet
QLD, 1458 posts
27 Jun 2014 9:33PM
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I had a hurty elbow , it was really very sore, I had a hurty elbow ,I had jammed it in the door, I had a hurty elbow and I took it to the nurse, She looked at me and said "You've got the hurty elbow curse." she thought it very funny and had such a good laugh,
I took my hurty elbow and shoved it up her **** (apologies to Robert Rankin the original author of the 'Hurty Finger song)

Tang
VIC, 580 posts
29 Jun 2014 11:18AM
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Dont discount the effects of flicking through the web on an ipad or using a computer mouse without a wrist rest on your elbows either. Using computers etc has a surprising strain on your finger and wrist tendons which connect through to the elbow. Might sound silly, but if you get wrist rests for your keyboard and mouse and avoid typing or finger-flicking on an ipad, you might be surprised how it lessens the symptoms of elbow issues.

mort69
WA, 178 posts
29 Jun 2014 9:02PM
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my 2 cents.rest as much as possible ,stop doing or find a less aggravating way to continue what you are doing ,different grip or arm position(this takes time to perfect)massage and stretch before and after and most importantly warm up slowly before use, because what will irritate it more than any thing is quick hard jerky muscle movements or heavy strain with quick release if that makes sense ,ive had both for ever and I find chin ups are a good warm up for golfers although im not in rehab at the moment.

BigLump
NSW, 55 posts
4 Jul 2014 10:12PM
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As an ex carpenter I have suffered from "tennis elbow" in my right arm at various time in my life. The most recent and debilitating developed into a chronic condition that lasted over 12 months.
I managed to let it get to the stage where I could not pick up a coffee cup with my right hand.
I eventually sought help and headed off to the physio where he gave me a 50-50 chance of getting over it as I had let it develop to the chronic stage.
The most recent onset was caused by my fitness campaign, joining the gym and getting back into weight training.
Gripping the bar like a lunatic reignited the previous injuries to my elbow.
The physio applied acupuncture needle and connected a TENS machine (mild electrical impulses), he also gave me a reverse forearm exercise (muscles utilised are opposite of the gripping muscles) and a rubber band to perform them.
I religiously performed the exercises and noticed an immediate improvement, it appears to be an overuse, muscle imbalance problem.
I read where the TENS machine works best when used at the maximum bearable setting so when the physio left the room I turned it up and put up with the electrically induced contractions.
In short I fully recovered in about 8 weeks.

I have since purchased my own TENS machine as I have now developed tennis elbow in my left arm (different area). I believe that it is cased when you reach for the catch phase of the stroke.
To engage the paddle in the water your thumb position is pointing skyward and you contract the the forearm muscle to get maximum extension and reach.
A few days after a paddle if I perform the same forearm contraction, the muscles and particularly the tendons in the forearm are extremely sore.
I have stopped paddling and started TENS therapy as well as performing opposite muscle contraction exercises and have already experienced reduced soreness.
I will keep you posted of my progress.

cel23
QLD, 175 posts
7 Jul 2014 8:01AM
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my personal experience has found a composite paddle (not full carbon) with a smaller bade and not too tall avoids any discomfort.



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