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Created by dannynathan > 9 months ago, 15 Aug 2018
dannynathan
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15 Aug 2018 7:04AM
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Really stupid question coming up but just need a little clarification.

What's the difference in performance regarding 50/50 rails with no edge and a 60/40 with a little edge

I'm tossing up buying between the mct fireball square tail or the Nettleton multiply.

Any help would be awesome legends

Macaha
QLD, 21884 posts
15 Aug 2018 9:25AM
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dannynathan said..
Really stupid question coming up but just need a little clarification.

What's the difference in performance regarding 50/50 rails with no edge and a 60/40 with a little edge

I'm tossing up buying between the mct fireball square tail or the Nettleton multiply.

Any help would be awesome legends

Noway is it a stupid question.
You have picked two great boards.I own 3 fireballs all different dimensions ,great user friendly boards probably why I love them.
Nesttleton boards are amazing he makes a beautiful board and The Multiply is a very popular model.The Multiply is on my want list.
I'd say more tilted towards traditional surfing where the fireball is a good all rounder turns off the tail and you can noseride if you have the skill which I don't I have trouble riding 50/50 rails I don't think I surf in the format they are designed for so I tend to stuff lots of waves on a 50/50 railed board.In saying that those Multiyply boards look stunning.

dannynathan
13 posts
15 Aug 2018 7:54AM
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Macaha said..

dannynathan said..
Really stupid question coming up but just need a little clarification.

What's the difference in performance regarding 50/50 rails with no edge and a 60/40 with a little edge

I'm tossing up buying between the mct fireball square tail or the Nettleton multiply.

Any help would be awesome legends


Noway is it a stupid question.
You have picked two great boards.I own 3 fireballs all different dimensions ,great user friendly boards probably why I love them.
Nesttleton boards are amazing he makes a beautiful board and The Multiply is a very popular model.The Multiply is on my want list.
I'd say more tilted towards traditional surfing where the fireball is a good all rounder turns off the tail and you can noseride if you have the skill which I don't I have trouble riding 50/50 rails I don't think I surf in the format they are designed for so I tend to stuff lots of waves on a 50/50 railed board.In saying that those Multiyply boards look stunning.


Cheers for the feedback Mac
I'm so torn between the two. Talking to Sean he says his multiply is an all round board, points and beachies it does it all. I'm riding a 9'6 with a hardish edge. Wasn't to sure if I should give the 50/50 rails a go.
Then again the fireball is the cream of the crop also!

Macaha
QLD, 21884 posts
15 Aug 2018 10:31AM
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Macaha said..


dannynathan said..
Really stupid question coming up but just need a little clarification.

What's the difference in performance regarding 50/50 rails with no edge and a 60/40 with a little edge

I'm tossing up buying between the mct fireball square tail or the Nettleton multiply.

Any help would be awesome legends



Noway is it a stupid question.
You have picked two great boards.I own 3 fireballs all different dimensions ,great user friendly boards probably why I love them.
Nesttleton boards are amazing he makes a beautiful board and The Multiply is a very popular model.The Multiply is on my want list.
I'd say more tilted towards traditional surfing where the fireball is a good all rounder turns off the tail and you can noseride if you have the skill which I don't I have trouble riding 50/50 rails I don't think I surf in the format they are designed for so I tend to stuff lots of waves on a 50/50 railed board.In saying that those Multiyply boards look stunning.



Cheers for the feedback Mac
I'm so torn between the two. Talking to Sean he says his multiply is an all round board, points and beachies it does it all. I'm riding a 9'6 with a hardish edge. Wasn't to sure if I should give the 50/50 rails a go.
Then again the fireball is the cream of the crop also!


Sean is a great guy I'd pull the trigger and order one from him,like I said his boards are stunning.

Next question what colour

bazz61
QLD, 3570 posts
15 Aug 2018 10:43AM
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all things being equal ..come the time you want to sell or trade... go with the manufacturer that holds the most value ..hint starts with M.

SP
10979 posts
15 Aug 2018 10:51AM
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This is good rail description.

Where do you surf and how do you want it to surf are probably good things to figure out to help with what wil suit you and the waves you surf best.

www.boardcave.com/the-surfers-corner/surfboard-shapes-tails-rails-and-noses/

Finally, the general foil of your rail will make a difference in performance.

The exact foil of your rail can be different in each model, however there are a few trusted foils generally used, which are 50/50, 60/40 and 80/20. This relates to where the apex of the rail is around the curve.

A 50/50 foil is found in more soft rail options and traditionally on longboards.

A 60/40 rail is going to be turned down with the apex slightly under the middle of the curve of the rail.

This type of rail can be blended into both soft and hard rails and is also a great option on smaller wave grovelers, fish and fun boards options. They generally give you a good blend of maneuverability and stability.

The next style, the 80/20 rail, is when the apex is even closer to the bottom of the board.

These rails are commonly found on high performance boards and usually incorporate a hard edge - hard rail when getting closer to the tail. These are made for easy maneuvering and rail to rail surfing as well as performance through turns.

onefin
198 posts
15 Aug 2018 12:10PM
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SP said..
This is good rail description.

Where do you surf and how do you want it to surf are probably good things to figure out to help with what wil suit you and the waves you surf best.

www.boardcave.com/the-surfers-corner/surfboard-shapes-tails-rails-and-noses/

Finally, the general foil of your rail will make a difference in performance.

The exact foil of your rail can be different in each model, however there are a few trusted foils generally used, which are 50/50, 60/40 and 80/20. This relates to where the apex of the rail is around the curve.

A 50/50 foil is found in more soft rail options and traditionally on longboards.

A 60/40 rail is going to be turned down with the apex slightly under the middle of the curve of the rail.

This type of rail can be blended into both soft and hard rails and is also a great option on smaller wave grovelers, fish and fun boards options. They generally give you a good blend of maneuverability and stability.

The next style, the 80/20 rail, is when the apex is even closer to the bottom of the board.

These rails are commonly found on high performance boards and usually incorporate a hard edge - hard rail when getting closer to the tail. These are made for easy maneuvering and rail to rail surfing as well as performance through turns.



Thanks SP.... go with the 80/20 then

i tend to over think my board orders, sometimes just putting a stock board under your arm will lead to an impulsive but fantastic purchasing decision often with no idea of the rail or bottom contours...... or even all the dimensions.... I just know the lengths of my boards (Picked that up from DVS).

just next door to McTavish is a fantastic board builder and top bloke, Andy from Wildthings.... just sayin

Macaha
QLD, 21884 posts
15 Aug 2018 2:26PM
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onefin said..

SP said..
This is good rail description.

Where do you surf and how do you want it to surf are probably good things to figure out to help with what wil suit you and the waves you surf best.

www.boardcave.com/the-surfers-corner/surfboard-shapes-tails-rails-and-noses/

Finally, the general foil of your rail will make a difference in performance.

The exact foil of your rail can be different in each model, however there are a few trusted foils generally used, which are 50/50, 60/40 and 80/20. This relates to where the apex of the rail is around the curve.

A 50/50 foil is found in more soft rail options and traditionally on longboards.

A 60/40 rail is going to be turned down with the apex slightly under the middle of the curve of the rail.

This type of rail can be blended into both soft and hard rails and is also a great option on smaller wave grovelers, fish and fun boards options. They generally give you a good blend of maneuverability and stability.

The next style, the 80/20 rail, is when the apex is even closer to the bottom of the board.

These rails are commonly found on high performance boards and usually incorporate a hard edge - hard rail when getting closer to the tail. These are made for easy maneuvering and rail to rail surfing as well as performance through turns.




Thanks SP.... go with the 80/20 then

i tend to over think my board orders, sometimes just putting a stock board under your arm will lead to an impulsive but fantastic purchasing decision often with no idea of the rail or bottom contours...... or even all the dimensions.... I just know the lengths of my boards (Picked that up from DVS).

just next door to McTavish is a fantastic board builder and top bloke, Andy from Wildthings.... just sayin


Picked up some fins from Wild Thing which you can order online if your not around the area.

dannynathan
13 posts
15 Aug 2018 12:54PM
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Macaha said..

dannynathan said..


Macaha said..



dannynathan said..
Really stupid question coming up but just need a little clarification.

What's the difference in performance regarding 50/50 rails with no edge and a 60/40 with a little edge

I'm tossing up buying between the mct fireball square tail or the Nettleton multiply.

Any help would be awesome legends




Noway is it a stupid question.
You have picked two great boards.I own 3 fireballs all different dimensions ,great user friendly boards probably why I love them.
Nesttleton boards are amazing he makes a beautiful board and The Multiply is a very popular model.The Multiply is on my want list.
I'd say more tilted towards traditional surfing where the fireball is a good all rounder turns off the tail and you can noseride if you have the skill which I don't I have trouble riding 50/50 rails I don't think I surf in the format they are designed for so I tend to stuff lots of waves on a 50/50 railed board.In saying that those Multiyply boards look stunning.




Cheers for the feedback Mac
I'm so torn between the two. Talking to Sean he says his multiply is an all round board, points and beachies it does it all. I'm riding a 9'6 with a hardish edge. Wasn't to sure if I should give the 50/50 rails a go.
Then again the fireball is the cream of the crop also!



Sean is a great guy I'd pull the trigger and order one from him,like I said his boards are stunning.

Next question what colour


I was thinking one of these colours Mac



dannynathan
13 posts
15 Aug 2018 12:58PM
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Bazza hahahah yeah McT do really hold there value .

SP cheers for the link mate.

Onefin them Gato boards are beautiful boards!!

Macaha
QLD, 21884 posts
15 Aug 2018 3:05PM
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dannynathan said..

Macaha said..


dannynathan said..



Macaha said..




dannynathan said..
Really stupid question coming up but just need a little clarification.

What's the difference in performance regarding 50/50 rails with no edge and a 60/40 with a little edge

I'm tossing up buying between the mct fireball square tail or the Nettleton multiply.

Any help would be awesome legends





Noway is it a stupid question.
You have picked two great boards.I own 3 fireballs all different dimensions ,great user friendly boards probably why I love them.
Nesttleton boards are amazing he makes a beautiful board and The Multiply is a very popular model.The Multiply is on my want list.
I'd say more tilted towards traditional surfing where the fireball is a good all rounder turns off the tail and you can noseride if you have the skill which I don't I have trouble riding 50/50 rails I don't think I surf in the format they are designed for so I tend to stuff lots of waves on a 50/50 railed board.In saying that those Multiyply boards look stunning.





Cheers for the feedback Mac
I'm so torn between the two. Talking to Sean he says his multiply is an all round board, points and beachies it does it all. I'm riding a 9'6 with a hardish edge. Wasn't to sure if I should give the 50/50 rails a go.
Then again the fireball is the cream of the crop also!




Sean is a great guy I'd pull the trigger and order one from him,like I said his boards are stunning.

Next question what colour



I was thinking one of these colours Mac




Yeah I follow him on Instagram he has some stunning tint colours

dannynathan
13 posts
15 Aug 2018 2:01PM
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Macaha said..

dannynathan said..


Macaha said..



dannynathan said..




Macaha said..





dannynathan said..
Really stupid question coming up but just need a little clarification.

What's the difference in performance regarding 50/50 rails with no edge and a 60/40 with a little edge

I'm tossing up buying between the mct fireball square tail or the Nettleton multiply.

Any help would be awesome legends






Noway is it a stupid question.
You have picked two great boards.I own 3 fireballs all different dimensions ,great user friendly boards probably why I love them.
Nesttleton boards are amazing he makes a beautiful board and The Multiply is a very popular model.The Multiply is on my want list.
I'd say more tilted towards traditional surfing where the fireball is a good all rounder turns off the tail and you can noseride if you have the skill which I don't I have trouble riding 50/50 rails I don't think I surf in the format they are designed for so I tend to stuff lots of waves on a 50/50 railed board.In saying that those Multiyply boards look stunning.






Cheers for the feedback Mac
I'm so torn between the two. Talking to Sean he says his multiply is an all round board, points and beachies it does it all. I'm riding a 9'6 with a hardish edge. Wasn't to sure if I should give the 50/50 rails a go.
Then again the fireball is the cream of the crop also!





Sean is a great guy I'd pull the trigger and order one from him,like I said his boards are stunning.

Next question what colour




I was thinking one of these colours Mac




Yeah I follow him on Instagram he has some stunning tint colours


Have you heard how his boards ride? I haven't met anyone who has one? Had a chat with Belinda Baggs and she's raves them

Macaha
QLD, 21884 posts
15 Aug 2018 4:07PM
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dannynathan said..

Macaha said..


dannynathan said..



Macaha said..




dannynathan said..





Macaha said..






dannynathan said..
Really stupid question coming up but just need a little clarification.

What's the difference in performance regarding 50/50 rails with no edge and a 60/40 with a little edge

I'm tossing up buying between the mct fireball square tail or the Nettleton multiply.

Any help would be awesome legends







Noway is it a stupid question.
You have picked two great boards.I own 3 fireballs all different dimensions ,great user friendly boards probably why I love them.
Nesttleton boards are amazing he makes a beautiful board and The Multiply is a very popular model.The Multiply is on my want list.
I'd say more tilted towards traditional surfing where the fireball is a good all rounder turns off the tail and you can noseride if you have the skill which I don't I have trouble riding 50/50 rails I don't think I surf in the format they are designed for so I tend to stuff lots of waves on a 50/50 railed board.In saying that those Multiyply boards look stunning.







Cheers for the feedback Mac
I'm so torn between the two. Talking to Sean he says his multiply is an all round board, points and beachies it does it all. I'm riding a 9'6 with a hardish edge. Wasn't to sure if I should give the 50/50 rails a go.
Then again the fireball is the cream of the crop also!






Sean is a great guy I'd pull the trigger and order one from him,like I said his boards are stunning.

Next question what colour





I was thinking one of these colours Mac





Yeah I follow him on Instagram he has some stunning tint colours



Have you heard how his boards ride? I haven't met anyone who has one? Had a chat with Belinda Baggs and she's raves them


Haven't heard a bad word about them Belinda is a beautiful surfer she has always been.

AndyrooMac
TAS, 1925 posts
15 Aug 2018 6:44PM
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onefin said..

SP said..
This is good rail description.

Where do you surf and how do you want it to surf are probably good things to figure out to help with what wil suit you and the waves you surf best.

www.boardcave.com/the-surfers-corner/surfboard-shapes-tails-rails-and-noses/

Finally, the general foil of your rail will make a difference in performance.

The exact foil of your rail can be different in each model, however there are a few trusted foils generally used, which are 50/50, 60/40 and 80/20. This relates to where the apex of the rail is around the curve.

A 50/50 foil is found in more soft rail options and traditionally on longboards.

A 60/40 rail is going to be turned down with the apex slightly under the middle of the curve of the rail.

This type of rail can be blended into both soft and hard rails and is also a great option on smaller wave grovelers, fish and fun boards options. They generally give you a good blend of maneuverability and stability.

The next style, the 80/20 rail, is when the apex is even closer to the bottom of the board.

These rails are commonly found on high performance boards and usually incorporate a hard edge - hard rail when getting closer to the tail. These are made for easy maneuvering and rail to rail surfing as well as performance through turns.




Thanks SP.... go with the 80/20 then

i tend to over think my board orders, sometimes just putting a stock board under your arm will lead to an impulsive but fantastic purchasing decision often with no idea of the rail or bottom contours...... or even all the dimensions.... I just know the lengths of my boards (Picked that up from DVS).

just next door to McTavish is a fantastic board builder and top bloke, Andy from Wildthings.... just sayin


Personally, unless you really understand hydrodynamics, looking at specifics is heading into a pretty crazy rabbit warren. I mean in theory 50/50 rails will smooth out the ride, increase stability etc etc, but that then is subjective to the outline/rocker/fins/fin placement etc etc etc...

So... my advice is ignore the marketing claims of a board, because they tend to be BS and also very subjective... Instead to talk to your shaper, let him know who you are, how you surf, how you want to surf, what waves you are surfing and a skilled shaper will put you on the right board.

I haven't seen a Nettle but have heard good things but SDR is amazing at board matching, Thomas Bexton is globally recognised as an amazing shaper, Christienson is coming to aus later in the year etc etc... you're lucky to be blessed with a myriad of amazing shapers.

Personally i've found when you take this road and if you listen to your shaper you end up with a much more functional board and one that you will love and that saves you money in the long run...

FYI, my SDR Hotlog just turned 4yrs old, thing is UNREAL!!!

dannynathan
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15 Aug 2018 4:55PM
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Macaha said..

dannynathan said..


Macaha said..



dannynathan said..




Macaha said..





dannynathan said..






Macaha said..







dannynathan said..
Really stupid question coming up but just need a little clarification.

What's the difference in performance regarding 50/50 rails with no edge and a 60/40 with a little edge

I'm tossing up buying between the mct fireball square tail or the Nettleton multiply.

Any help would be awesome legends








Noway is it a stupid question.
You have picked two great boards.I own 3 fireballs all different dimensions ,great user friendly boards probably why I love them.
Nesttleton boards are amazing he makes a beautiful board and The Multiply is a very popular model.The Multiply is on my want list.
I'd say more tilted towards traditional surfing where the fireball is a good all rounder turns off the tail and you can noseride if you have the skill which I don't I have trouble riding 50/50 rails I don't think I surf in the format they are designed for so I tend to stuff lots of waves on a 50/50 railed board.In saying that those Multiyply boards look stunning.








Cheers for the feedback Mac
I'm so torn between the two. Talking to Sean he says his multiply is an all round board, points and beachies it does it all. I'm riding a 9'6 with a hardish edge. Wasn't to sure if I should give the 50/50 rails a go.
Then again the fireball is the cream of the crop also!







Sean is a great guy I'd pull the trigger and order one from him,like I said his boards are stunning.

Next question what colour






I was thinking one of these colours Mac






Yeah I follow him on Instagram he has some stunning tint colours




Have you heard how his boards ride? I haven't met anyone who has one? Had a chat with Belinda Baggs and she's raves them



Haven't heard a bad word about them Belinda is a beautiful surfer she has always been.


Shes was super helpful when I asked her some questions. Such an amazing surfer also



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