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Shin, 1; Rail, 0.

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Created by damned67 > 9 months ago, 7 Jun 2020
damned67
485 posts
7 Jun 2020 3:13PM
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Two waves at Miami today (eldest son has just moved there).
Pulled off second wave as it was starting to close out, didn't quite make it and lip/wave pushed the board into my shin.
Barely even broke the damn skin.

thedrip
WA, 2354 posts
7 Jun 2020 3:31PM
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Nice one.
I'd rather the board looked like that than my shin.

i imagine that stung a bit.

Macaha
QLD, 21900 posts
7 Jun 2020 5:33PM
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Ouch

damned67
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7 Jun 2020 3:39PM
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thedrip said..
Nice one.
I'd rather the board looked like that than my shin.

i imagine that stung a bit.


Honestly, barely felt it. OK, slight understatement, but thought there'd be some crazed/cracked 'glass at best.
Was very shocked at the degree of damage vs my shin. I doubt I'll even have a bruise tomorrow.

Cobra
9106 posts
7 Jun 2020 3:44PM
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Chrispy
can show you some pics on how it could of looked.
you've done well.

Macaha
QLD, 21900 posts
7 Jun 2020 5:47PM
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Chrispy was a fun chop and not a nice one hmm where was the board make lol I know the answer

Cobra
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7 Jun 2020 3:56PM
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Macaha said..
Chrispy was a fun chop and not a nice one hmm where was the board make lol I know the answer


A fun chop, why are you talking in kiwi
we know it was a fun chop, I'm saying it could be worse, He could of broken a Jandel.

damned67
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7 Jun 2020 4:01PM
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Macaha said..
Chrispy was a fun chop and not a nice one hmm where was the board make lol I know the answer


Interestingly(?), I was told that this was one of the last US built boards. I've also been told that all of these boards came outta China.
Either way, my understanding is that Ol' Mate Donald never signed off on these boards before he put his feet up (but was actively working on these boards), 'cause they didn't quite have the quality and/or longevity.

From my experience, and with the caveat that I bought my TSBW and my sons GSI Walden used, the build quality/longevity is somewhat better than TSBW/GSI - but not by a whole lot.

Macaha
QLD, 21900 posts
7 Jun 2020 6:27PM
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Cobra said..

Macaha said..
Chrispy was a fun chop and not a nice one hmm where was the board make lol I know the answer



A fun chop, why are you talking in kiwi
we know it was a fun chop, I'm saying it could be worse, He could of broken a Jandel.


Macaha
QLD, 21900 posts
7 Jun 2020 6:29PM
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damned67 said..

Macaha said..
Chrispy was a fun chop and not a nice one hmm where was the board make lol I know the answer



Interestingly(?), I was told that this was one of the last US built boards. I've also been told that all of these boards came outta China.
Either way, my understanding is that Ol' Mate Donald never signed off on these boards before he put his feet up (but was actively working on these boards), 'cause they didn't quite have the quality and/or longevity.

From my experience, and with the caveat that I bought my TSBW and my sons GSI Walden used, the build quality/longevity is somewhat better than TSBW/GSI - but not by a whole lot.


Nah it's all good mate I'm just stirring

damned67
485 posts
7 Jun 2020 5:03PM
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I know you're just stirring - I'm also just providing info to anyone that cares.
I should point out this is an 'Epoxy Flyer' construction, not a surftech. If'n it was an old school surftech, I'd have likely lost my leg.

Here's what the deck looks like after what I'd imagine is about 60 surfs. For additional context I roll at about 105 kg... and ain't no dancer.

Look! wave at it and it waves back!

That said, I've heard some absolute horror stories about the longevity of these boards (immediately after purchasing it...), so am happy it's lasted this 'well'.



McHenry
SA, 1739 posts
7 Jun 2020 7:42PM
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Do you like the board Damned?

damned67
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8 Jun 2020 5:04AM
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McHenry said..
Do you like the board Damned?


I do - very much so.
Board will be professionally repaired, then when it reaches the end of its functional life, I'll be confident to step up and pay the $$ for the real thing.

Ricardo1709
NSW, 1301 posts
8 Jun 2020 7:14AM
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Wow it seems the takayamas are made everywhere, Australia , USA , China etc. Sounds like you'd be better sourcing an original second hand one made by Donald himself by the look of that

McHenry
SA, 1739 posts
8 Jun 2020 4:41PM
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damned67 said..

McHenry said..
Do you like the board Damned?



I do - very much so.
Board will be professionally repaired, then when it reaches the end of its functional life, I'll be confident to step up and pay the $$ for the real thing.


Is it based on a particular model or is the "Epoxy Flyer" the model?
What model will you replace is with??

damned67
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8 Jun 2020 4:19PM
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McHenry said..

damned67 said..


McHenry said..
Do you like the board Damned?




I do - very much so.
Board will be professionally repaired, then when it reaches the end of its functional life, I'll be confident to step up and pay the $$ for the real thing.



Is it based on a particular model or is the "Epoxy Flyer" the model?
What model will you replace is with??


Board is a 10' In The Pink. Epoxy Flyer is the construction ... think Surftech, but not as strong... but epoxy flyer construction was supposedly much, much closer in flex and performance to PU/glass. One thing I read was that Takayama stopped with Surftech while the Epoxy Flyers were in development.
Long story short, I'd be wanting to replace it with a 10' In The Pink in PU/glass.
Chances of finding a used one are slim, so I'll chat with Evan at North Coast about getting one glassed a touch heavier than standard, when the time (and coin) comes.

damned67
485 posts
8 Jun 2020 4:38PM
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I personally wouldn't buy another board in the 'epoxy flyer' construction, but that's only my opinion. Someone lighter on their feet might have a much different outcome.

bigmc
NSW, 250 posts
8 Jun 2020 7:29PM
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I have an old original Surftech 11' Prince. It feels solid and if my shin hit the rail I feel I would come off worst. I think hand shaped are a bit rare. I am after a 9 6 to 10 as well.

damned67
485 posts
8 Jun 2020 5:53PM
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.... and desirable. I bet you're getting a run of requests to part with the 11' Prince. I know I'd give my left one for one.

evansquirrell
NSW, 43 posts
9 Jun 2020 10:00AM
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Ricardo1709 said..
Wow it seems the takayamas are made everywhere, Australia , USA , China etc. Sounds like you'd be better sourcing an original second hand one made by Donald himself by the look of that


No, they aren't made everywhere. Far from it. Do your homework.
These Epoxy Flyer Series of boards were made by Horizon Watersports after DT was having some issues with SurfTech and told them to bugger off. He was obviously trying to initiate another company into providing a similar product to what he was getting from SurfTech for all those years (very hard thing to do).
Anyway as mentioned above, no signing off on final product was ever given before his untimely passing and these things suddenly flooded the market. I'm still getting phone calls from guys wondering why their new Takayama is in pieces after a few surfs. My suggestion to all is to stay away from these boards, they've been a dirty mark on the DT name/brand.

Cobra
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9 Jun 2020 9:26AM
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evansquirrell said..

Ricardo1709 said..
Wow it seems the takayamas are made everywhere, Australia , USA , China etc. Sounds like you'd be better sourcing an original second hand one made by Donald himself by the look of that



No, they aren't made everywhere. Far from it. Do your homework.
These Epoxy Flyer Series of boards were made by Horizon Watersports after DT was having some issues with SurfTech and told them to bugger off. He was obviously trying to initiate another company into providing a similar product to what he was getting from SurfTech for all those years (very hard thing to do).
Anyway as mentioned above, no signing off on final product was ever given before his untimely passing and these things suddenly flooded the market. I'm still getting phone calls from guys wondering why their new Takayama is in pieces after a few surfs. My suggestion to all is to stay away from these boards, they've been a dirty mark on the DT name/brand.


Same thing I was told.

damned67
485 posts
9 Jun 2020 10:18AM
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Dropped the board off for repair this morning, we opened up the 'wound' a little more to check it out a bit better and had a good chuckle at just how poorly built it is.

I think it's important to really highlight what Evan stated above, these boards should not be confused with 'real' Takamaya boards. Not in the same ball park, not even in the same ball pack as a surftech.
But hey, I like the board for what it is. Or more to the point, how it rides.

Macaha
QLD, 21900 posts
9 Jun 2020 1:48PM
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damned67 said..
Dropped the board off for repair this morning, we opened up the 'wound' a little more to check it out a bit better and had a good chuckle at just how poorly built it is.

I think it's important to really highlight what Evan stated above, these boards should not be confused with 'real' Takamaya boards. Not in the same ball park, not even in the same ball pack as a surftech.
But hey, I like the board for what it is. Or more to the point, how it rides.


Visited a lot of board makers in my day, here and overseas. The boards made at Northcoast would have to be one of the best if not the best quality I've seen.

Ricardo1709
NSW, 1301 posts
9 Jun 2020 1:51PM
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evansquirrell said..

Ricardo1709 said..
Wow it seems the takayamas are made everywhere, Australia , USA , China etc. Sounds like you'd be better sourcing an original second hand one made by Donald himself by the look of that



No, they aren't made everywhere. Far from it. Do your homework.
These Epoxy Flyer Series of boards were made by Horizon Watersports after DT was having some issues with SurfTech and told them to bugger off. He was obviously trying to initiate another company into providing a similar product to what he was getting from SurfTech for all those years (very hard thing to do).
Anyway as mentioned above, no signing off on final product was ever given before his untimely passing and these things suddenly flooded the market. I'm still getting phone calls from guys wondering why their new Takayama is in pieces after a few surfs. My suggestion to all is to stay away from these boards, they've been a dirty mark on the DT name/brand.


I was talking about Taks in general not that particular construction, as I know they are made under licence in Oz and glassed really well

damned67
485 posts
9 Jun 2020 11:58AM
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On the up-side, I took one of my other 10' boards out for a spin this morning (OK, my TSBW Sea Plane), and forgot how much fun that is to ride too. And to think I was considering off loading it!
Same issue though, quality just ain't there. That said, the glassing in the Sea Plane seems quite robust, but the blank seems soft as warm butter....
The board that has held up best to my stomping elephant feet (outside of old surftechs) is my Noosa Longboards Tea Tree.

McHenry
SA, 1739 posts
9 Jun 2020 1:47PM
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damned67 said..
On the up-side, I took one of my other 10' boards out for a spin this morning (OK, my TSBW Sea Plane), and forgot how much fun that is to ride too. And to think I was considering off loading it!
Same issue though, quality just ain't there. That said, the glassing in the Sea Plane seems quite robust, but the blank seems soft as warm butter....
The board that has held up best to my stomping elephant feet (outside of old surftechs) is my Noosa Longboards Tea Tree.



Sell the Tak and the Seaplane to fund a PU 10' ITP

GWatto
QLD, 388 posts
9 Jun 2020 2:32PM
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Is that because it's not a cheap pop out, instead hand crafted in Australia?

justaddwater
NSW, 707 posts
9 Jun 2020 2:34PM
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damned67 said..
On the up-side, I took one of my other 10' boards out for a spin this morning (OK, my TSBW Sea Plane), and forgot how much fun that is to ride too. And to think I was considering off loading it!
Same issue though, quality just ain't there. That said, the glassing in the Sea Plane seems quite robust, but the blank seems soft as warm butter....
The board that has held up best to my stomping elephant feet (outside of old surftechs) is my Noosa Longboards Tea Tree.


Damed67 ,the noosa teatree was Dave Boyd's version of the in the pink,you obviously like that style of board

damned67
485 posts
9 Jun 2020 1:37PM
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Clearly I do! I was indeed comparing the outlines at least of the Tea Tree and the ITP only weeks ago.

I'd be thrilled to give a 10' Tea Tree a run.

And McHenry, after I've collected the $5.73 for the combined sale of the Sea Plane and the epoxy flyer ITP, I'll still have a ways to go for the PU ITP.

damned67
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9 Jun 2020 1:45PM
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GWatto said..
Is that because it's not a cheap pop out, instead hand crafted in Australia?


I don't doubt that for one second. Nonetheless, I do have a 'hand crafted in Oz' board that has not held up too well either. PU has yellowed like there's no tomorrow, despite living in a board bag, and many, many deck compressions.... and it was supposed to be an indestructable epoxy over PU construction.

I reckon the 'cheap pop out' vs 'hand crafted in Oz' argument is a reasonable generalisation, but certainly not always 100%. Hell, my old tech surftechs (10'2" NSP and 12' Munoz) have held up to my fat ass far better than anything else I've owned.

GWatto
QLD, 388 posts
9 Jun 2020 5:04PM
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damned67 said..

GWatto said..
Is that because it's not a cheap pop out, instead hand crafted in Australia?



I don't doubt that for one second. Nonetheless, I do have a 'hand crafted in Oz' board that has not held up too well either. PU has yellowed like there's no tomorrow, despite living in a board bag, and many, many deck compressions.... and it was supposed to be an indestructable epoxy over PU construction.

I reckon the 'cheap pop out' vs 'hand crafted in Oz' argument is a reasonable generalisation, but certainly not always 100%. Hell, my old tech surftechs (10'2" NSP and 12' Munoz) have held up to my fat ass far better than anything else I've owned.


All good, was just poking the pop out bear



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