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What size single fin

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Created by McHenry > 9 months ago, 4 Jul 2014
McHenry
SA, 1739 posts
4 Jul 2014 10:41AM
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I want to surf my 9'1 Astro as a single fin, I have it as a 2+1 setup and was wondering if I can just take out the side bites or if I need a different size fin.

I obviously surf in SA, waves are usually less than ideal, fat and weak, beach breaks only blah blah blah

Here are some pics of the board, some of you are fin experts, I personally have zero knowledge of fins.

Please help!






Macaha
QLD, 21947 posts
4 Jul 2014 11:20AM
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McHenry the centre fin is way to far forward move it back to approx. 200 mm from the tail tip of the board.

Your current fin (blue) looks to be a 7 inch? if you want to ride it as a single whack in a 9.

McHenry
SA, 1739 posts
4 Jul 2014 11:31AM
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Thanks Mac, will do.

What about shape, will any old thing do ??

MickPC
8266 posts
4 Jul 2014 10:44AM
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9' should be fine mate...but gotta say SA has awesome waves, I loved it there. Just a bit of a hike from Adelaide I guess.

Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
4 Jul 2014 12:47PM
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8-10 inch dolphin fin is a good starting point. 9-10 inch is even better than 8. As a 1+2, aim for 6.5 to 8 inch...

Macaha
QLD, 21947 posts
4 Jul 2014 12:51PM
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As Simondo said dolphin fin I like the 9 as a single because you have drive and turns a lot better than a 10.

McH the same shape as your current blue will be fine

Tux
VIC, 3829 posts
4 Jul 2014 1:41PM
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Inch per foot of board is my generally rule for singly's..........

Simondo
VIC, 8020 posts
4 Jul 2014 2:38PM
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Tux said...
Inch per foot of board is my generally rule for singly's..........



I agree!

If you add side bites, you could probably go for: Inch per foot, minus 1inch for side bites...

McHenry
SA, 1739 posts
4 Jul 2014 2:30PM
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Anyone have anything kicking around.

stuk
NSW, 894 posts
4 Jul 2014 5:03PM
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I did the same thing, same length board,put in a 9"single and love how much faster and smoother it seems to ride.

SP
10980 posts
4 Jul 2014 6:06PM
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Tux said...
Inch per foot of board is my generally rule for singly's..........


+1. Good place to start. Always used that rule when I got a new lb or single.

But not all about overall depth of the fin. Doesnt really tell the whole story. Imo also think about the area of the fin. Sometimes a smaller fin can actually be bigger if you know what I mean.

I just got one of these delvered today
http://www.finshack.com/Fin%20Pages/TCSS%20Fins/tcssfrenzycandys.html

It was on surstitch and half that price I'll take some photos later but would be fine for what you want.

DaveBasher
SA, 196 posts
4 Jul 2014 7:43PM
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Fcs soulglide 9"- a narrow, thin hp fin. Super fast, turns easy but little control over shoulder height. Great for Middleton as it offers very little resistance when paddling/catching waves, and is sooo fast. I use one in my Billy Tolhurst 9'6" Surftech. I only use side bites when waves are headhigh or over- feels like an anchor is attached to the tail! Day st/Cliffs/ Goolwa better option to Middleton as banks give steeper faces= faster.

surfbroker
NSW, 1488 posts
4 Jul 2014 8:33PM
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But dont forget ..Flex..I like flex in my centre fin, gives a livelier feel..and 9" is good...dolphin is good.

Put it back in the box for tip time and foreward in the box for more response.

All trial n error.

SP
10980 posts
4 Jul 2014 7:09PM
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The site I posted above has a great fin guide

http://www.finshack.com/finsbuyersguide.html

Fin shack Fin Guide

A simple beginners guide to longboard fins.

(as you get more involved with your fin choice you will begin to agree/disagree with a lot of the following? it's meant as a 'primer' see how you get on, and remember there are no rules!)

So, the question will arise sooner or later, 'what fin shall i get'

More often than not the question is prompted by the realisation that the cheap plastic wonder the board shop 'gave' you isn't really what the aspiring Joel Tudor should have on his board. First off let's ask the question what does a Fin actually 'do'? Might be easier to answer that by trying to ride your board without a fin in the box, good luck with that!. Failing that watch the likes of 'The Present' and carefully study what happens when you ride an Alaia (one of those fashionable wooden finless retro jobbies). What you should immediately notice is how the board will slide around the face of the wave, almost at times falling out back'ass'wards, fine if you have infinite control like Mr Machado, but for mere mortals like you and I, not so awesome.

A fin, much like the tail on a plane, provides some lateral stability, just like a keel on a yacht it stops you slipping sideways. Unlike the Alaia, your back end won't break away and slide out behind you. Unlike a keel on a yacht, which is placed in the middle of the hull, a surfboard fin is placed at the rear of the board. That way you are able to control the front of your board to turn. The fin acts much like a pivot in this sense as well as a keel. As a general rule, move a fin forward to loosen things up and backwards to gain more stability.

So a fin will help keep you on the straight and narrow, but that is a very simplistic explanation obviously.

Your fin works in conjunction with the board it is bolted to, obvious really, but a fin that works on one board may not work quite so well on another. The complex relationship between the boards rails, bottom contours and the riders weight and style, the waves height, speed and profile will all affect the way a fin helps or hinders your riding.

To complicate matters further the position of the fin in the fin box will also change the way your fin works, there is often a 'sweet spot' like a cricket bat when the fin works well for your board. A good rule of thumb is to measure about 8 and a half inches from the tail edge to trailing edge of the fin as a good start when positioning your fin, box and fin allowing. Start with that and then try moving the fin around and see how that affects the ride. You might even find a better position and not even need that new fin you think you want. A fin is after all the cheapest way to improve or destroy the performance of your board. An adjustable fin bolt is a God send when fiddling with fin position, we might even sell these, I can't remember?

So a few observations? (pinch of salt and all that)

1. A fin of around the same length in inches as your board is a good starting point. i.e. a 9 inch fin for a 9 foot board. For tri fin boards you can go that bit smaller, it's a balancing act between the relative sizes of your side bites and main fin.

2. Fin colour and fancy graphics make all the difference to performance? really, they do.

3. The bigger, or weirder shape of fin makes you not a better surfer, but however may attract more of the opposite sex, this is also true.

4. Flex, the big fin buzz word, get used to the feeling of your fin, try flexing the tip, some won't budge, others will be pretty springy, a flexible fin will be easier to turn, but you may prefer it stiffer when you get better, decide if you can tell the difference and what you prefer.

5. Make a point of looking at what the best surfers at your break are riding board wise, see what fins they have, you can learn a lot like this, try to look at the whole package, height, weight, board, fin, don't stare too hard now.

6. Just like a sanded/matt bottom on a board a sanded fin will offer less water resistance, if you notice this difference, kudos. Seriously though all part of fine tuning.

7. One of the biggest fins you will see is on the back of a 747, check them out next time your jetting off to Indo, aero dynamics are very similar to fluid ones. Big fins for big guys, smaller ones for lighter folks, as a general rule.

8. Cavitation, a great word to bandy about when your discussing fins with your mates, look it up before you spout forth though, let me know what it's about though won't you.

9. The 8 and a half inch rule, position your fin in the box with it's trailing edge 8 and a half inches from tail edge as a good starting point for position, no sniggering.

10. Best to have a spare fin in your board bag, just in case you loose one, maybe forgetting to tighten up that adjustable bolt, **** DOES happen. In fact have two, order them now.

11. A rub of candle wax will let you slide a tight fitting fin in the box more easily? see how all your favourite pasttimes are related?

So, what fin to buy?


You'll have to click the link for the rest.

http://www.finshack.com/finsbuyersguide.html

McHenry
SA, 1739 posts
4 Jul 2014 9:09PM
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DaveBasher said...
Fcs soulglide 9"- a narrow, thin hp fin. Super fast, turns easy but little control over shoulder height. Great for Middleton as it offers very little resistance when paddling/catching waves, and is sooo fast. I use one in my Billy Tolhurst 9'6" Surftech. I only use side bites when waves are headhigh or over- feels like an anchor is attached to the tail! Day st/Cliffs/ Goolwa better option to Middleton as banks give steeper faces= faster.


Dave do you mean soul flex fin?

Anyone try the Dion dolphin fin?

chrispy
WA, 9675 posts
4 Jul 2014 8:57PM
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I like the one inch per foot rule as well. But i will be putting a 9' in my 7'5. Im with stuck,and a person I put **** on for his single fin mindset simgromdo. I am loving the drive and high lines I'm getting out of my big girl. Will be putting in a 9' Ruben roxburgh shapers fin that SDR recommended.
The speed,the carves and just the pure feeling I've been getting is awesome. Hard to truly explain. It was hard at first to keep where the wave wanted me without bogging,then once ya start to work it out wow....a world so far apart from the thruster in trying to generate your own speed.

I'm hooked

Edit the Ruben fin will be for my big girl not my middie

McHenry
SA, 1739 posts
5 Jul 2014 12:16AM
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Will have to sort something out. They all look so nice. The range from Shapers is huuuge!

MickPC
8266 posts
4 Jul 2014 11:28PM
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I was using a very flexy 7 inch Dolphin with a couple of side bites on my 9'1 that I reckon went alright. I'm riding a 9'3 with a 5.5 inch Ruben & a couple of sidebites now. They feel very nice, highly maneuverable. But the Clearwater board has a very nice double concave through the fins which I think makes a big difference too. I know from a firewire hellfire shortboard that has very deep double concave. It turned great with future solus fins, but another board flat though the fins went badly with them...but anyway, yeah I reckon a 9 inch dolphin would be a good all round choice. Or a hatchet if you want to noseride. Fat weak beachies I'd go the dolphin.

McHenry
SA, 1739 posts
5 Jul 2014 7:36AM
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Anyone know a good fins website?

I've had a look at the usual suspects.

Macaha
QLD, 21947 posts
5 Jul 2014 8:20AM
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McHenry said...
Anyone know a good fins website?

I've had a look at the usual suspects.




mct will post you a fin mate give them a call today ask for Dave they will have the right size/shape and maybe colour,Wizz is at the top of the game when it comes to fins.

oldmal
NSW, 316 posts
5 Jul 2014 9:56AM
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Macaha said...

McHenry said...
Anyone know a good fins website?

I've had a look at the usual suspects.





mct will post you a fin mate give them a call today ask for Dave they will have the right size/shape and maybe colour,Wizz is at the top of the game when it comes to fins.


well said macaha

AndyrooMac
TAS, 1925 posts
5 Jul 2014 10:36AM
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Check out some of the specials on surfsitch, I scored a $130 nose rider fin for about $50 and a bag for the new subx for $75, I think mid year sales still on

DaveBasher
SA, 196 posts
5 Jul 2014 11:43AM
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Yeah sorry meant Soulflex. At the moment I'm filling a notch at the base of an 8" dolphin, which is too stiff with 2 gl sidebites. Check out 'cutaway fin' on google for details. I bought an 11" fin from McT for my Tyler log, very disappointed with the fit , took ages to sand it back so it would fit, had a run in the glass and numerous pinholes; ended up sanding back with 1200 wetrub to a satin finish- looks great now and goes well. By contrast my McCoy gullwings are beautifully finished works of art.......

McHenry
SA, 1739 posts
5 Jul 2014 4:06PM
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Still having a hard time finding anything online.

Why are FCS Fins half price in the US ??

Will have a look in the shops when I am down south next. I am thinking either 9'' dolphin or cutaway.

Also, are Shapers fins made in Aus ???

AndyrooMac
TAS, 1925 posts
5 Jul 2014 6:58PM
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Aus company but made in China I believe.

Like I said surfsitch sale is awesome but also there's always some bargains on Gumtree and eBay...

McHenry
SA, 1739 posts
5 Jul 2014 9:09PM
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No sales on Surfstitch, ebay is the same price as the online manufacturers, gumtree I cant find anything.

Question, if its a 9 inch fin does that include the base?

MickPC
8266 posts
5 Jul 2014 11:04PM
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McHenry said...
No sales on Surfstitch, ebay is the same price as the online manufacturers, gumtree I cant find anything.

Question, if its a 9 inch fin does that include the base?


Yes Shapers fins are Oz mate....& if you mean the little bit of metal & screw to holds the fin in, they do come with Shapers.

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Shapers-Fins-9-Classic-Dolphin-Clear-Longboard-Surfboard-/161289262992?_trksid=p2054897.l5661
www.ebay.com.au/itm/9-Inch-SUP-Longboard-CARBON-fin-by-Bullet-Proof-Surf-/171356071857?_trksid=p2054897.l5672
www.ebay.com.au/itm/271276576181?clk_rvr_id=662575609654&crlp=1_262691&mt_id=641&sdc_id=1404567935z310167z3f073b0a2962zz&mid=428969&fitem=271276576181&linkin_id=8080378&kw={query}&crdt=0&sortbid=20

nah no sales on at the moment that I can see, these are the best deals I can find on 9 inch dolphins. Seems to be better value when you go 2+1, but I can't see any 9 inch centres in the sets.

You could email Shapers & ask them if they could make up a 2 + 1 set for you, for a similar price to their advertised 2 + 1 sets.

Macaha
QLD, 21947 posts
6 Jul 2014 5:47AM
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McHenry i'll have a look in my cave later I may have a 10 inch mct redline fin or a 8 inch kicking around.

Ted the Kiwi
NSW, 14256 posts
6 Jul 2014 8:20AM
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These guys from Byron make some really nice fins McHenry. You can even watch them in action

http://www.alkalifins.com/fin-range.html

www.surfermag.com/the-now/alkali-fins/

McHenry
SA, 1739 posts
6 Jul 2014 8:59AM
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Thanks guys.

When you measure a fin say 9 inches. Is that just the fin or does that include the base

chrispy
WA, 9675 posts
6 Jul 2014 7:39AM
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McHenry said...
Thanks guys.

When you measure a fin say 9 inches. Is that just the fin or does that include the base


Just from where the fin goes flush with the board mate



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