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Foil board Repair Job - The new nose you all need

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Created by berowne > 9 months ago, 2 Apr 2021
berowne
NSW, 1321 posts
2 Apr 2021 5:27PM
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The Joy of WindFoiling is 100% correlated to the chance of catapulting and striking the nose of your beloved board with the mast while your hooked in, often unexpected when only moments ago you were having a great time feeling totally in control!



This video was the last in a series of crashes that have afflicted my awesome FMX 187 Hyperion. These boards are amazing, which is why I wasn't ready to part with it. But after spending nearly $1000 repairing it last time, I decided this time I would try myself.








I looked into Vacuum bagging, but decided to avoid the extra expense and complexity, instead planning to overfill the cavity with micro-bead filled epoxy filler, and squeezing it tightly to press any excess out.

Step 1 - Cleaning Up Causing Collateral Damage

After drying the board out (hopefully obvious) the first step is to clean up the damaged area... which may involve causing more damage. I did use a saw to cut a few straight lines, and some power tools to clean inside the front nose area. Try not to over-sand and cut through the carbon, which of course I did do a few times.



Step 2 - Delamination Catastrophication

During the clean up and inspection it became obvious that one section of the underside skin had delaminates about 25x50cm. This was a bit of a problem, but actually easier to fix while the skin is open. I ordered a large 100mm syringe and tube online which came in very handy for squeezing epoxy into the small gap while the board was raised on one side... allowing the resin to fall deeper into the grooves. I rolled the board around all axis' a few times before weighting the skin down with a bag of fertiliser (25kg) and a water bottle (5kg) to ensure good contact between the skin and foam. 24hours later the board seemed to be relaminated successfully without the need for a vacuum.











Step 3 - Filling In The Groove

Next I had a rather large gap to fill. Previously I had made the mistake of using expanding foam to fill a cavity. DO NOT USE EXPANDING BUILDERS FOAM! It is hydroscopic and soaks up water. While I am at it... do not use silicon to seal a gap temporarily either as it will make subsequent repairs harder.

Instead I used a foam esky, cut to size. Small pieces where needed, carefully shaped with a sharpe knife. Sawing back and forth will cut and give a smooth surface, while pressing hard to cut will often tear the foam beads apart leaving a rough surface!.








Reinforcing was applied with some DivinyCell hard foam about 10mm thick. Some extra DivinyCell was used as vertical reinforcement.





Step 4 - Glassing Down

With all the inserts cut to size I next needed to cut the reinforcing fibre-glass to slot between layers of foam to help the epoxy bond. I had to trim a few of the foam pieces again as the fibreglass added a mm of thickness and I didn't want the foam to dome and create an air pocket!



Step 5 - Getting Wet

Finally the big day came... time to get wet. With all the pieces laid out, I mixed up some filler with about 2 parts glass bead powder to 1 part epoxy resin. Although I didn't, it is probably best to mix the resin first and adding the glass to the mix. I had some slow harder left over for a small batch which I tend to prefer. The new bottle of fast hardener can overheat much more easily if over concentrated, which can melt foam!

With all the obvious gaps filled, I inserted the foam pieces, a bridging piece of glass wetted with pure epoxy resin, more foam, more filler, more glass mat and more pure resin.

With everything wet, I wrapped the repair in a layer of 'Peel-Ply' which is designed to absorb excess resin and let it break off easily.







Step 6 - Clamp It

Quickly so nothing had time to set yet I covered the peel-ply with some cling wrap then a board to the underside so I could clamp it down with some large G-Clamps and load spreading timber. Flipping the board over I squashed the deck down with another trusty 25kg of potting mix. I also used some flexible water filled ice-bags to smooth out the load.














Step 7 - Sand Back

My intention is to let all this dry, then sand back the exposed DivinyCell that remains above deck height.

Step 8 - Carbon Wrap

Then I will apply the exterior carbon layer without any external pressure, just careful 'stippling' with an epoxy soaked paintbrush to wet the carbon and ensure no bubbles are introduced.

powersloshin
NSW, 1696 posts
2 Apr 2021 9:50PM
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I would have rounded the angles of that cut, also make sure you stagger the layers of carbon on top, so as not to create a stress line

berowne
NSW, 1321 posts
2 Apr 2021 10:44PM
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powersloshin said..
I would have rounded the angles of that cut, also make sure you stagger the layers of carbon on top, so as not to create a stress line


Thanks Georgio, good idea... for next time.

berowne
NSW, 1321 posts
3 Apr 2021 9:00AM
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Big peel...
Few small bubbles on the nose wrap (which will be sanded anyway) but overall very happy. Solid result with no soft spots










Paducah
2564 posts
3 Apr 2021 6:53AM
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It may help to mask off anything you don't want extraneous epoxy on - helps great later when sanding as you don't have to worry about sanding graphics or thinning the skin unnecessarily. Blue painters tape has been a good friend to me.

berowne
NSW, 1321 posts
3 Apr 2021 10:50AM
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Sanded back to just below level. I'll put two layers of carbon over the DivinyCell. The bottom layer slightly feathered into existing deck and then the top layer will reinforce the whole impact zone....










The bastard file has to have the best name and happens to be very good for removing glass fibre and epoxy resin !!!!




berowne
NSW, 1321 posts
3 Apr 2021 1:42PM
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Peel ply really helps show how much excess resin you have used...


berowne
NSW, 1321 posts
4 Apr 2021 1:22PM
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Question... does spray paint have enough "stick" to hold sand on for the deck regrip or do I need to mix up some epoxy sand mix and paint it on??

Paducah
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4 Apr 2021 12:11PM
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berowne said..
Question... does spray paint have enough "stick" to hold sand on for the deck regrip or do I need to mix up some epoxy sand mix and paint it on??



I've used clear spray enamel before with decent results but I was using acrylic dust (non-skid) not sand. Since you are doing the nose where there isn't much actual "foot traffic", I'd be inclined to say it will be just fine if you use something like that.

berowne
NSW, 1321 posts
4 Apr 2021 5:24PM
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Paducah said..

berowne said..
Question... does spray paint have enough "stick" to hold sand on for the deck regrip or do I need to mix up some epoxy sand mix and paint it on??




I've used clear spray enamel before with decent results but I was using acrylic dust (non-skid) not sand. Since you are doing the nose where there isn't much actual "foot traffic", I'd be inclined to say it will be just fine if you use something like that.


Thanks Paducah... my garage is stocked with white enamel and black enamel. All I need is some sand. and I did use the blue masking tape which got wetted with epoxy and took some careful slicing with a razor blade held flush with the deck to trim before sanding.

Cheers.

regal1
NSW, 435 posts
4 Apr 2021 5:34PM
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www.international-yachtpaint.com/en/au/boat-paint-products/topcoat-finishes/intergrip
more consistent than sand

berowne
NSW, 1321 posts
4 Apr 2021 5:48PM
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Today I finished the resin layer this morning and spent a few hours sanding and trimming the feathered carbon strands off. 80grit is quite abrasive to carbon so use carefully!
Delamination
fixed
Gapping hole in nose
fixed
weak spot at front of nose
fixed with divinicell glass and 2x carbon


Lessons Learned
don't catapult
do go for it... especially chasing first place or a PB!!
Expensive repair jobs are worth it!
DIY is cheaper takes a long weekend or more but gives a good sense of achievement
Preparation with repairs takes time but is 3x worthwhile
White foam eski's come in very handy
Blue masking tape on carbon or glass fibre tends to pull strands out. Use sparingly or cut off just inside a tape line!
"Bastard files" and spinning Dremel stones are good at removing glass/epoxy. Use VERY carefully. Avoid spinning wire brushes!
80 grit is pretty abrasive on carbon but slower on glass fibres
Carbon Mat is very thin. You don't need much of a countersink for a second layer. I went a bit too deep in hindsight.
Peel ply absorbs excess resin but turns the carbon mat/satin instead of glossy

I spent roughly
$100 on carbon and peel ply
$100 on epoxy resin
$15 on glass bead filler
$15 on masking tape
$15 on sand paper
$6 on cheapest paint brushed in bunnings
Bits n bobs from the garage like files, drills, saws, knives, scalpels, blades, wire brushes (to clean files) etc

Time. I used a lot of time. No brownie points despite not sailing for 6 weeks!!

Cutting the damage out and preparation took about 2 hours.
About an hour to cut each major piece of foam. I had two nose inserts about 30mm square but shaped, two foam esky parts, two layers of divinicell all shaped painstakingly slowly. Each of the 4 epoxy session took about an hour.
Sanding took another 2 at least.
Overall I'm very happy with the results. Just needs a layer of spray paint but that can wait!

berowne
NSW, 1321 posts
4 Apr 2021 5:50PM
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Blue masking tape can absorb epoxy too!


berowne
NSW, 1321 posts
4 Apr 2021 5:54PM
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Finished product!!!!!






used about
100g of foam/divinicell
200g glass and carbon fibre
200g or so of resin
but I didn't weight the cut out sections!



berowne
NSW, 1321 posts
5 Apr 2021 2:09PM
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I need a good name for my boat after all this effort...

Flying High
Crash Bandicoot
Hammer Head
Steve
the Mistress
Sir Far
Ondine
The flying Aussie

powersloshin
NSW, 1696 posts
5 Apr 2021 2:14PM
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pussy riot II

great job, did you weight the board ?

berowne
NSW, 1321 posts
5 Apr 2021 4:30PM
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Forgot to weight it before I started...
name is an interesting one, crossed my mind Georgio

antonmik
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5 Apr 2021 5:35PM
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berowne said..
Finished product!!!!!






used about
100g of foam/divinicell
200g glass and carbon fibre
200g or so of resin
but I didn't weight the cut out sections!




How much was said. Probably easier to do nose protection than to repair the board later

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/Foiling/Foil-Board-Nose-Protection?page=2

CJW
NSW, 1718 posts
5 Apr 2021 8:56PM
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^^^ There are some crashes that a nose protector would do nothing....this was one of them, as I was sailing literally next to Berowne I can testify to that

Nice job Berowne

PS, Pro tip; when cutting carbon spray a light coat of spray contact adhesive over the mat, stops the threads coming apart and keeps it far more 'together', much easier than blue tape. You can also put perforated release film between the carbon and the peel ply, gives a shiny finish and requires far less sanding.

Paducah
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5 Apr 2021 7:52PM
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berowne said..
Blue masking tape can absorb epoxy too!



My experience is that it doesn't actually absorb but is surrounded by it and trapped at the edge. I've had something like that happen and was able to pick it out with the corner of a sharp blade. It pulls right up. YMMV. Have done a few nose jobs.

All the same, yours came out great and super happy for you.

berowne
NSW, 1321 posts
15 Apr 2021 8:04PM
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After about 3 coats of Dulux Satin White, I'm really happy with the finish. A few minutes of orbital sanding with 1200 grit wten dry to smooth out the micro-roughness.

Tiny bit of running I couldn't be bothered with, and some paint blending around the nose I'll sand back tomorrow.

Next up, I bought 12mm EVA foam (1sqrm) that I'll cut to shape and stick down with contact adhesive.

berowne
NSW, 1321 posts
16 Apr 2021 8:09PM
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Two layers of 12mm foam to prevent another repair job!



I have some spare!




powersloshin
NSW, 1696 posts
16 Apr 2021 8:31PM
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berowne said..


I have some spare!





there is a higher probability than average that you might need it in the future

berowne
NSW, 1321 posts
22 Aug 2021 2:02PM
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powersloshin said..

berowne said..


I have some spare!





there is a higher probability than average that you might need it in the future


Oii I'm not alone!



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