Patrik S2 foil sail

Hallo, any experience with this model sail?
If possible it would be cool to read about feeling, plus and minus.

p.s. what does 3+1 cams mean?

Thx

It's a very stabile slalom-foil sail (I have it in 7,2 and 6,0)
-a bit more weight than Phantom Iris RF, but (I think) will last longer
-compared to the PD Foil+ faster, less low wind capacity
-4 camber, very good rotation (on a Slake MDM)
I really like the S2, I use it on a PD FC 78 V2 with 740 and 671/607 Sabfoil.

Thank you for the comments.

- do you think the lack of low end power depends by yjr short boom lenght?
- being the sizes gap a bit "thinner" compared to other brands (giving also more opportunity to best select sizes according to personal needs), it seems a bit difficult choosing the "right ones".

Got couple of comments from some team riders and they state the S2 is powerful (i think, once it gets flying stable) but nervous at low revs.

Please, what's the wind you use both the 7,2 and 6,0?

I have the s2 in 6.0, 6.6, 7.2,.7.8 and 8.4.

I have used them quite a bit but I wanted to use them more before I did a review on them. But since you ask -

They are super stable to the point where it is easy to go out with too big a sail. By that I mean you will never struggle with control but you just have a lot more power than you need.

The sails have a looser leech than the foil+ and are more user friendly in gusty conditions allowing you to use the gusts rather than dread them. The sails are quite flat but not super flat - they are efficient rather than grunty. The fine entry into the sail makes it want to accelerate so when a marginal gust comes along you can to an extent let the sail naturally accelerate and try to make your board and foil keep up with it and in which case flight is very easy. You do have a bit of adjustment on the outhaul so you can get a bit of extra depth into the sail if required.

All of my sail took a lot of tuning to get them to rotate. With my foil+ sails I just removed a lot of the spacers and they gybed great. But on the S2 taking the spacers out was not enough and I had to take a few mm off the back of the two main cams. The 7.2 upwards I have them on the matching Patrik masts. The 6.6 and 6.0 I have on rdm masts and they are very nice on the rdm (maverx superleggero).

I am using the sails on Patrik Foil-comp boards with AFS foils.

Hi
Regarding weight, I did weigh them when they were new and dry. I can't now find where I wrote the weights down but I remember them being very close to the Neil Pryde sails in weight. In feel I am used to the 8.0 and 9.0 foil+ sail which (especially the 9.0) are quite heavy with their extra batten and cam so I find the S2 feel lighter, They are not very noticeable as you move them around in the gybe and for pumping onto the foil they obviously don't feel feather weight but neither do they feel heavy. because of the relatively flat profile they cut through the air easily when moving the rig forward. With the 9.0 foil+ I used the momentum of the rig weight to pull the board forward so I may not be the most critical person when it comes to feeling light when pumping. The general feeling I get is that the sail fairly typical of Patrik stuff are made for winning races so maybe there is a slight bias towards top end rather than bottom end grunt.

Sizing - yes they have closer spacing than some other brands. You could miss a size in places ie 7.2 to 8.4 would work but 6.0 to 7.2 would sometimes leave you wanting something in between.

Wind range? Hmm that is tricky. I think in truth I have often been over foiling the sails ie I have been using too big a front wing. That is something I am trying to correct, I need to use my 900 wing less and start using my 700 and 560 wings more. I am 95kg and so far have used the sails as follows
6.0 up to about 25 kts with 700 front wing
6.6 up to about 20 kts with 700 front wing
7.2 up to about 18 kts with 700 front wing
7.8 up to about 15 kts with 900 front wing
8.4 up to about 15 kts with 900 front wing

I have not yet felt over powered by the sails but I have with the foil - it can be hard though to separate the two. Those would be the days where I am very happy sailing upwind but don't look forward to going off the wind. I should point out I don't race I just like to be efficient on the water and that is my aim. I can get up to the low 20s knots in about 10 kts of wind but I don't go much faster when its blowing 20 kts and that is what I am currently working on and I hope/think the s2 sails will help me, hence me getting them.

Re smaller sails - I have the new 3 cam Patrik 5.4 on order to see how that goes.

I should also say that the efficient profile of the sails means that once flying you can keep flying through holes and lulls relatively easily.

John

Yeah John,

just checked patrik website and noticed the Ride Foil.
No comments regarding this model.
What's 2+1 cams?
Has somebody alreadfy tested it?

In Patrik website there's "Ride-Foil" printed (2+1 cams 4,8 to 8.0.
No idea if we are talking about the same sail.

Good news the GT-3

I have had the S2 4.8, 6.0 and 7.2 for a few weeks. Have been on all of them 2 or 3 times. Super impressed with how these are going. 7.2 can get going in 10 knots with pumping. I dont think these sails rig flat, they have quite a nice shape. They are powerful but it's a nice power. They feel light with the Patrik booms and masts. The leach twist is more like a slalom sail and not tight like some of the other sail makers foil sails. I could not get the cambers to rotate at all when first rigged. Lucky I had my foil buddy who said to take the spacers out. After doing that they are the best rotating sails I have owned. Not sure why the spacers are in there to begin with. The mast sleeve is built tough and these sails are the real deal.

Has anyone tried the S2 for fin slalom sailing. I don't see why these won't work for that.

I have my 6.0 and 6.6 rigged on rdm's . I takes a bit of fiddling to switch them over but I do prefer rdm masts.