Love it. I don't know if I could sail it, but I love to see paradigms change.
Select to expand quoteBullroarerTook said..
Love it. I don't know if I could sail it, but I love to see paradigms change.
me either. JJ and Gwarn would shred with it
Custom belongs to Tony Logoitz the owner of Slingshot. If winging is so great I wonder why he still windfoils
Select to expand quoteHydrosurf said..
Custom belongs to Tony Logoitz the owner of Slingshot. If winging is so great I wonder why he still windfoils
Man with that that thickness, if the volume was close to 114, I'd be all about it. Assuming it ever made it to production.
Tall mast all the way back on the board==== 100% pure hard craving high wind machine.
This is Tony Logoitz six years ago. This is the shot that got me over to windfoiling...
I think maybe it's time for a little road trip up to Hood River....
Select to expand quoteMark _australia said..
So who wants one?
Gimme a call
What's the upcharge for those wanting the front half of the board? 
(j/k I live way too far to take advantage of you craftsmanship)
In the camp that getting this kind of board going would be an absolute PITA in a strong breeze. Willing to be proven wrong but I've never felt the "swing weight" of my 195cm board. I may build one someday just to find out how wrong I've been all this time.
What's more interesting for me is the tail - a very flow/release oriented board that reminds me both of longer windfoil boards (e.g. Starboard windfoil slalom) and the outline of many DW boards but with a wider deck to place the back foot more outboard.
Select to expand quotePaducah said..Mark _australia said..
So who wants one?
Gimme a call
What's the upcharge for those wanting the front half of the board? (j/k I live way too far to take advantage of you craftsmanship)
In the camp that getting this kind of board going would be an absolute PITA in a strong breeze. Willing to be proven wrong but I've never felt the "swing weight" of my 195cm board. I may build one someday just to find out how wrong I've been all this time.
What's more interesting for me is the tail - a very flow/release oriented board that reminds me both of longer windfoil boards (e.g. Starboard windfoil slalom) and the outline of many DW boards but with a wider deck to place the back foot more outboard.
I'll ask the dumb question: why would it be hard in a strong breeze? I had a helluva time uphauling the wizard 114 which had a similar outline, but I could waterstart it. The 115 freestyle is possible for me with a 7.0 at ~94kg bodyweight and the board about ankle deep.
When it has gotten really overpowered on something like a 5.6 on the freestyle I have done the oh 
I will waterstart with both feet in the straps like I would on a fin and get going that way. I have to be careful to keep my weight back before liftoff to keep the nose from pearling, is that what you mean?
With those wide rear straps, I typically had a hard time getting in the rear on the 145 foilx, much less so on the freestyle with narrow/center rear setup, but it suffers for speed and upwind because of that setup. But it looks like with the wide rear you can get the foot out of the straps in the center for more carving whereas with the center rear I would just stay in it for carving. Definitely different styles.
Select to expand quotePaducah said..Mark _australia said..
So who wants one?
Gimme a call
What's the upcharge for those wanting the front half of the board? (j/k I live way too far to take advantage of you craftsmanship)
In the camp that getting this kind of board going would be an absolute PITA in a strong breeze. Willing to be proven wrong but I've never felt the "swing weight" of my 195cm board. I may build one someday just to find out how wrong I've been all this time.
What's more interesting for me is the tail - a very flow/release oriented board that reminds me both of longer windfoil boards (e.g. Starboard windfoil slalom) and the outline of many DW boards but with a wider deck to place the back foot more outboard.
It's easy getting up on a small board in strong winds.
Here is a clip of a 148 x 74 x 13 thick.
I've always been awed by these guys riding with the UJ so far forward, and it obvioulsly works great with their kit. I suppose their foil balance is way opposite to mine, as I ride with UJ just between my front straps for carving and fun tricks.
Plus from the pic, it seems that the foil plate is way to the rear, the foil front wing is back. And stance looks very wide.
IMHO, it must be a way to get maximum pitch 'locked' balance. More the kind of thing I do when using my 'large' 1m90 board along with 'large' freerace cambed sail.
I am really curious to get some info on the foil used with this board.
Select to expand quote6u1d0 said..
I've always been awed by these guys riding with the UJ so far forward, and it obvioulsly works great with their kit. I suppose their foil balance is way opposite to mine, as I ride with UJ just between my front straps for carving and fun tricks.
Plus from the pic, it seems that the foil plate is way to the rear, the foil front wing is back. And stance looks very wide.
IMHO, it must be a way to get maximum pitch 'locked' balance. More the kind of thing I do when using my 'large' 1m90 board along with 'large' freerace cambed sail.
I am really curious to get some info on the foil used with this board.
G800 front wing 400 tail maybe a 125 custom mast fuse looks like standard phantasm windfoil fuse with a paint job
Select to expand quoteaeroegnr said..I'll ask the dumb question: why would it be hard in a strong breeze? I had a helluva time uphauling the wizard 114 which had a similar outline, but I could waterstart it. The 115 freestyle is possible for me with a 7.0 at ~94kg bodyweight and the board about ankle deep. When it has gotten really overpowered on something like a 5.6 on the freestyle I have done the oh I will waterstart with both feet in the straps like I would on a fin and get going that way. I have to be careful to keep my weight back before liftoff to keep the nose from pearling, is that what you mean?
Keeping the nose up is a bit tricky when starting with a no-nose.
Also takes a little effort to dig yourself out of the water and on to the plane with a smaller sail than you would have if you were riding a sinker waveboard in the same conditions.
Here's a clip from Dec 2021 - I think the board's around 70L at this stage of it's life 
Ahh thanks. Man, you and Gwarn are making me wish I had more wind regularly.
Select to expand quoteazymuth said..aeroegnr said..I'll ask the dumb question: why would it be hard in a strong breeze? I had a helluva time uphauling the wizard 114 which had a similar outline, but I could waterstart it. The 115 freestyle is possible for me with a 7.0 at ~94kg bodyweight and the board about ankle deep. When it has gotten really overpowered on something like a 5.6 on the freestyle I have done the oh I will waterstart with both feet in the straps like I would on a fin and get going that way. I have to be careful to keep my weight back before liftoff to keep the nose from pearling, is that what you mean?
Keeping the nose up is a bit tricky when starting with a no-nose.
Also takes a little effort to dig yourself out of the water and on to the plane with a smaller sail than you would have if you were riding a sinker waveboard in the same conditions.
Here's a clip from Dec 2021 - I think the board's around 70L at this stage of it's life
That looks tricky indeed. I would love to ride a smaller board than the SS 114 I'm on now, but as variable as our winds are, I need to be able to uphaul and slog home if needed.
Any thought on minimum volume for a 140 lb rider to uphal a 3.7 and slog for 20 minutes?.
I gotta go 2000 miles to try a different board
Select to expand quoteazymuth said..aeroegnr said..I'll ask the dumb question: why would it be hard in a strong breeze? I had a helluva time uphauling the wizard 114 which had a similar outline, but I could waterstart it. The 115 freestyle is possible for me with a 7.0 at ~94kg bodyweight and the board about ankle deep. When it has gotten really overpowered on something like a 5.6 on the freestyle I have done the oh I will waterstart with both feet in the straps like I would on a fin and get going that way. I have to be careful to keep my weight back before liftoff to keep the nose from pearling, is that what you mean?
Keeping the nose up is a bit tricky when starting with a no-nose.
Also takes a little effort to dig yourself out of the water and on to the plane with a smaller sail than you would have if you were riding a sinker waveboard in the same conditions.
That's my experience - pushing the nose through the water when crazy wound which is when I'm usually waterstarting ie in the conditions I'd be sailing a 75-85 l. fsw with the same size sail. It's not pleasant and I guess I need to experience a shorter board to see if I can detect a worthwhile improvement past the wondrous feeling of having nothing in front of the mast. I'm not dismissing other people's joy in their very short boards (vsb ) but I can't find the motivation to go that much smaller as being favorable from a usability stand point. It may be that my style of riding isn't suitable as I'm more in the azymuth camp of a more direct, locked in feel. Plus, I have the same issue as WsurfAustin, I need to be able to get home sometimes from a fair distance out. Not a dumb question at all - probably more my not always being clear. 
Select to expand quoteWsurfAustin said..I need to be able to uphaul and slog home if needed.Any thought on minimum volume for a 140 lb rider to uphal a 3.7 and slog for 20 minutes?.I gotta go 2000 miles to try a different board
I think +20L (over bodyweight in kgs) prob the minimum to slog steadily and easily for a distance - and narrower and longer helps.
Obviously nose area helps with uphauling
Select to expand quoteazymuth said..WsurfAustin said..I need to be able to uphaul and slog home if needed.Any thought on minimum volume for a 140 lb rider to uphal a 3.7 and slog for 20 minutes?.I gotta go 2000 miles to try a different board
I think +20L (over bodyweight in kgs) prob the minimum to slog steadily and easily for a distance - and narrower and longer helps.
Obviously nose area helps with uphauling
For sure, thanks
I have tried to stay silent on this one, but I can't because I feel too strongly about this subject.
I have full respect for those of you that charge on the super compact boards! You have the skills and you customize your boards and gear to create just the ride you want in the strong conditions you have and that is AWESOME! Just like the super skilled Logosz is doing for his personal gorge kit.
I have tried the no nose concept, gave it an honest go for about 4 months when I lost my daily driver and had nothing else to ride.
I hated it....
I did NOT notice the difference in swing weight. The only pro for me was the shorter length helped keep the nose from catching the wave in front when carving big chop.
I DID notice a HUGE difference in the effort required to go from in the water to on the foil. I had to rig bigger sails than I was used to. I had a number of experiences where the shorebreak swallowed me up before I could get going so it kept me out of the ocean in conditions that I would have loved on a bigger board. I had several times where I struggled to get back in! That is not okay with me, EVER! It brought back all the fear and lack of confidence that I experienced learning to shortboard 40 years ago. I did not sail as often as I would have and I had less fun when I did sail.
When I was down in Cocoa, Florida for the winter a couple years ago I was riding with a few good sailors that had no nose and/or low volume boards. The typical winter westerlies down there are like lake winds in that they come and go at about 10-20 minute intervals. I would stay out in the lulls to keep working out into cleaner wind and play with light air freestyle while the other sailors would limp into the beach in the lulls. I'd be the first one foiling the next puff. When the wind was in I could match their performance even though I am much heavier, on a larger hull with smaller sails and a bigger front wing.
Why is everybody so focused on lowering the volume? It is not as important for foiling!
I sometimes wonder if there would be more of us freeride windfoilers at this point if the board makers had not gone to no nose designs. I feel like history is repeating itself.
Select to expand quoteutcminusfour said..
I did NOT notice the difference in swing weight. The only pro for me was the shorter length helped keep the nose from catching the wave in front when carving big chop.
This is the what the chubby short boards are all about now throw on a tall mast mast and you have a swell riding machine.
Windfoiling is a Form of Art and it allows a person to find there own riding style.
My style is my own as is my equipment as it works for me and me only this is why I love it.
I'm blessed as I live and ride in one of the windiest places in USA. Treasure Island, San Francisco Bay.
I don't ride if not 16 knots+++ it's just not the same for me I love speed and torque the higher winds provide.
This is one of the reasons I ride with my mast track forward and foil mast all the way back for hard fast swell carving.
I can still flag the sail down by my side and crave and glide and hold my own with the wing dings.
I call my set up ( SS 730 front 400 rear and a 125 mast ) my beach cruiser that I ride in a 70s style skate board park.
It's plenty fast when it needs to be.
It was not easy to get to the level that I'm at now and this is why windfoiling is not growing, I'm a Waterman and a Windsurfer to my core and a strong headed blue collar type so I don't give in easy as my life has always been a fight so the challenge was part of the satisfaction of it.
Just my two cents......................
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Right on Gwarn! You know you are one of the folks that I was referring to with respect. You rock mate and this type of kit obviously works for you and others! I need to focus less on dissing this type of board and more on creating and promoting the type of gear that works in average places.
That stretched distance from straps to mast base makes for a slow pitch response, hence the gigantic mast length.
I'm more inclined to the Balz approach of an almost regular windsurf length board with straps forward and mast base back being optimum.
So the same company that was sticking up "Windsurfing has be cancelled" stickers in the gorge 15 years ago wants back in. Strange how times change. Don't believe the hype.
Select to expand quoteGrantmac said..
That stretched distance from straps to mast base makes for a slow pitch response, hence the gigantic mast length.
I'm more inclined to the Balz approach of an almost regular windsurf length board with straps forward and mast base back being optimum.
Good point... That distance dampens the effect from pumping the foil too, especially if the sail is sheeted in. Foil pumping is a valuable source of lift in the sub 16 knot wind range. The longer mast is more drag so harder to get flying in light air and a nightmare launching/retrieving at a beach break. Balz tried supper short boards in his early foiling days. With the aerials he reaches for he has a real need to lower swing weight by shortening the board length and he chooses not to. You also rarely see him on a mast over a meter.
Select to expand quotewestozwind said..
So the same company that was sticking up "Windsurfing has be cancelled" stickers in the gorge 15 years ago wants back in. Strange how times change. Don't believe the hype.
If you are referring to Slingshot wanting windfoiling there are rumors going round that they are no longer building windfoil boards. We will see.
