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I'm trying to learn how to 360 with limited success. My best attempt was about 270. Often I end up in the back winded position after 180 degrees but unable to turn into the wind. I find the nose of the board wants to go downwind not upwind. My back winded skills are fairly limited and I struggle to helicopter tack off the foil.
Any tips or things to concentrate on when trying to 360 on the foil?
Should I be trying to use the power in the sail when backwinded to complete the 360? Or should I just be feathering the sail to minimise drag and concentrate on the carving?
www.sailworks.com/tech-tip-downwind-foiling-360
The tips I found most useful were
Keep your front arm straight
Pull up on the back hand
Look up and
Rake the sail back
If you can, get someone to video your attempts so you can watch them back. It's surprisingly easy to identify your mistakes and gives you something to work on for your next session
Dont give up, your first successful one is worth (in my case) the near hundred crashes attempting
Simon
I am about where you are on these OP. Looking at kevin's video and the sailworks link seems like I definitely need to lay that sail down way more.
Perhaps I should practice doing laydown foiling gybes first
Thanks for the feedback. I never did master the 360 when windsurfing but it feels more achievable on the foil :)
I'll keep trying. It must be a rush when you pull off the first one!
I've found if you stop turning you have too much power in the sail. It also happens regularly to me, about 4 out of 5 I finish the 360, the 5th one I end up backwinded like you. A trick which helped me do my first few was that I'd gain speed in a 15+ knot gust and then 360 in a 4 knot lull in offshore winds ;). Without wind you dont stop carving, its awesome. After you get the height dialed you can focus on the sail more and start doing them in more powered locations.
I have no experience doing 360s yet. But that makes sence Bart. Today gusty winds, gaining speed and carving downwind(180deg) and the sail almost disappears from apprent wind and maybe oversheeting a bit and you float down wind with no power in the sail until I start going upwind again. I feel like this is my training wheels exercise before I attempt 360s
Sorry, I think he was making foil 360's in half the days and making 70% foiling jibes in 30 foil days.
Some guys just pick it up quickly.
One of these days I'll go to get out there.
Play the video at .25 speed on a desktop and watch only the position of a body part/equipment, play/pause for the critical parts, don't let the eyes wander from that part. Watch it at least twice for each body part/equipment.
1) Arm boom connection (straight/bent) you notice that at an extreme angle both arms are bent for .5 seconds.
2) Boom camera angle; imagine where the clew camera is as the turn progresses (rake). Also beam vs broad reach angle.
3) Hip position/Torso relative to the board. Hip is stable on top of the board - same angle as the board, torso too until board is at an extreme angle. At this angle torso tilts towards leeward, both arms are bent, clew is brought back close to the knee/torso in beam reach
4) Foot position. Out of the strap heel inline with backstrap, foot 90 degress. As the turn progresses his foot crawls so that the heel moved closer to centerline. I'm not sure if one foot movement to inline vs crawl method. Obviously crawling would be hard to do in boots.
5) Landmark the mountain and notice when he gets into the turn, the most extreme angle - for how long until the board rolls back to neutral.
6) Notice the extreme body position at 17.5-19.5 seconds - scroll with mouse. Torso, arm, hip, back leg bent, front leg straight, most importantly body weight back with rig away from body for counterbalance.
6) Draw on paper the 360 relative to what the body/sail/board is doing at 80, 120, 140, 200, 280 degrees.
My morning coffee armchair tips.
Good Luck....nah, its TOW (desire, commitment, capability, monitor)...cheers!
PS: Thank You Sunset Sailboard for the video.
Learning the downwind foil 360. Just got my first few recently. It's a great feeling when you come around smoothly, I reckon after 270 is the hardest part of the move. I found when I keep the front arm straight and back arm sheeting in a bit, look up things started to click. Could probably lay the sail down more(?) I'm still figuring out how high to come in. I need to adjust foil height depending on gusts.
Any tips for foiling out of the 360?
I would like to get more confident hitting them at a higher success rate then hopefully that will fall into place. I am hitting about 1 every 4 attempts. But managed 3 in a row yesterday.
Gaining speed in the gusts then 360 in a lull works great but don't get much sail power on the way out. Any tips on this is appreciated. As you can see from the video I am not going very fast and working on long easy carving.
www.instagram.com/p/CEkxy4NjxjK/?igshid=178jyorkqvoui
no tips from me, I have been getting around half the time but never foiling out. Your 360 looks pretty sweet though
I don't know if this helps. Off all the times you blew the 360 how many times did you do a nose dive vs a breach. From the video i see a nose dive so maybe shift the weight back? Looking at the Sunset video at the end of the 360 his body is positioned over the foil mast.
Sailwork's video to go with their advice; Colson's hip bend 1:01, 1:40. As always play it at .25 speed.
I don't do anywhere near that amount of forward bending. Emiltron seems to do the same. Gonna try it
That Colson Zack at Sailworks does the best foiling 360s.
I think I've been keeping my body in a straight line above the foil. Must try the bend at the hip with straight arms.
