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Can old sloppy holes be made tight again?

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Created by Mark _australia > 9 months ago, 12 Feb 2017
Mark _australia
WA, 22378 posts
12 Feb 2017 8:47PM
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Loose carbon boom

I am running with the idea of some rod in metal filled epoxy putty, rip it out and then the holes may need to be slightly enlarged





Has anyone done this (should have asked before hahaha) and does it work? Or is the looseness also affected by the wearing down of the actual extension tubes? That looks minimal but should I also build them up? A coat of resin would be so thin I think it would flake off, maybe just a wrap around of electrical tape in a couple of places and replace it now and then? (It wont be used a lot)

da vecta
QLD, 2512 posts
13 Feb 2017 7:11AM
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You could put the pin in a brand new tail just to check how it should be.

da vecta
QLD, 2512 posts
13 Feb 2017 7:15AM
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BTW, Boom to 208 that's impressive for WA.

Tardy
5013 posts
13 Feb 2017 5:49AM
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Regular exercise helps.

John340
QLD, 3123 posts
13 Feb 2017 10:48AM
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I seem to remember Sausage posting about a similar problem and solved it with a similar repair method a year or two ago. I believe he filled the existing holes with epoxy then marked and redrilled the holes. It would be worth a PM to him to find out if it was successful.

Shifu
QLD, 1953 posts
13 Feb 2017 10:49AM
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I've done this and it worked for a while. I used some 8mm batten rod which was the same diameter as the holes (luckily). Waxed it was able to ease it from the epoxy after it cured. Ill find a photo later today. The repair wore out after a while though. I cant remember what I mixed with the epoxy as an extender...

Mark _australia
WA, 22378 posts
13 Feb 2017 6:57PM
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Done... the pins are tight now but the boom still wiggles.
I think it has more to do with tons of clearance between the arms and the extension tubes.
Are Maui booms looser than most? Never encountered this before.....

A wrap around with electrical tape on the extension tubes has helped, but hardly permanent

MarkSSC
QLD, 635 posts
13 Feb 2017 9:47PM
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Mark _australia said..
Done... the pins are tight now but the boom still wiggles.
I think it has more to do with tons of clearance between the arms and the extension tubes.
Are Maui booms looser than most? Never encountered this before.....

A wrap around with electrical tape on the extension tubes has helped, but hardly permanent



I remember using a dry film lubricant called Molybond to build up the surface of helicopter main rotor blade bolts prior to fitment. Something like that may work here for the arms and tubes. If you prepare the surface well it sticks pretty good. Electrical tape, and similar is not much good because the adhesive breaks down. The Molybond can be layered to a desired thickness, within reason, and provides its own lubrication. If you try this idea then you are possibly the first to do so. A bit experimental but it does take out the potential slop in a blade bolt.

John340
QLD, 3123 posts
13 Feb 2017 10:29PM
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Mark _australia said..
Done... the pins are tight now but the boom still wiggles.
I think it has more to do with tons of clearance between the arms and the extension tubes.
Are Maui booms looser than most? Never encountered this before.....

A wrap around with electrical tape on the extension tubes has helped, but hardly permanent


My Maui 190-240 slalom boom is tight as the proverbial, so the wiggles is not normal. I've been told that carbon fibre is not very abrasion resistent. Maybe the ID of the main section and or OD of the tail has been abraded and hence now loose.

Shifu
QLD, 1953 posts
13 Feb 2017 11:58PM
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Mark _australia said..
Done... the pins are tight now but the boom still wiggles.
I think it has more to do with tons of clearance between the arms and the extension tubes.
Are Maui booms looser than most? Never encountered this before.....

A wrap around with electrical tape on the extension tubes has helped, but hardly permanent


Some coats of resin will fix it. Surely.

JonesySail
QLD, 1083 posts
14 Feb 2017 12:28AM
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i believe its simple cosmetic day surgery these days ....

Mastbender
1972 posts
14 Feb 2017 2:26AM
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JonesySail said..
i believe its simple cosmetic day surgery these days ....


Yes, it's part of the designer va-jay-jay package that has become so popular lately.
Any shape, any size, jewelry included.

keef
NSW, 2016 posts
14 Feb 2017 8:03AM
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I replaced the two pin loft boom clips with a single pin chinook , the single pin was wider in diameter so needed to drill the holes to fit, maybe you can find a bigger clip

ratz
WA, 472 posts
14 Feb 2017 6:25AM
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if its a 170/230 maui boom it seems like w.a got a bad batch with lots of play in the back end.
to the point where the pins will come out of the holes.
also lots of flex when extended out a fair bit.
don't like to brand bash but not the only one to have this problem.
it seems like making the back end fit a bit tighter is the way to sort this out a bit.
either by building up with epoxy or tape.

djl070
WA, 290 posts
14 Feb 2017 8:39PM
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ratz said..
if its a 170/230 maui boom it seems like w.a got a bad batch with lots of play in the back end.
to the point where the pins will come out of the holes.
also lots of flex when extended out a fair bit.
don't like to brand bash but not the only one to have this problem.
it seems like making the back end fit a bit tighter is the way to sort this out a bit.
either by building up with epoxy or tape.


The back end on mine was the least of my problems
Stupid mistake @ 32 knots,certainly not the booms fault





Imax1
QLD, 4691 posts
15 Feb 2017 9:50AM
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djl070 said..

ratz said..
if its a 170/230 maui boom it seems like w.a got a bad batch with lots of play in the back end.
to the point where the pins will come out of the holes.
also lots of flex when extended out a fair bit.
don't like to brand bash but not the only one to have this problem.
it seems like making the back end fit a bit tighter is the way to sort this out a bit.
either by building up with epoxy or tape.



The back end on mine was the least of my problems
Stupid mistake @ 32 knots,certainly not the booms fault






Long fin , shallow water ???

djl070
WA, 290 posts
15 Feb 2017 9:07AM
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Hit some chop,back foot slipped out of the strap

AUS 808
WA, 455 posts
15 Feb 2017 9:50AM
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djl070 said..

ratz said..
if its a 170/230 maui boom it seems like w.a got a bad batch with lots of play in the back end.
to the point where the pins will come out of the holes.
also lots of flex when extended out a fair bit.
don't like to brand bash but not the only one to have this problem.
it seems like making the back end fit a bit tighter is the way to sort this out a bit.
either by building up with epoxy or tape.



The back end on mine was the least of my problems
Stupid mistake @ 32 knots,certainly not the booms fault






We are looking at the exact same boom here, this was how it looked 2 years ago.
It actually had another break that didn't surface until the first sail after repair
I didn't think the extension was sloppy Mark, but it has had a lot of use at that setting.
The only reason I replaced it was that the extension was too flexy on my 8.6M @ 218cm.

NotWal
QLD, 7428 posts
16 Feb 2017 4:14PM
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Are you saying you rebuilt that shrapnel into a boom?

Mark _australia
WA, 22378 posts
16 Feb 2017 3:50PM
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^^^ yep and its solid

ratz
WA, 472 posts
16 Feb 2017 5:17PM
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A lot gamer than me mark.
i haven't used my one since it let go on me.
it always felt flimsy compared to my enigma.
mine was being used with a 8.6 at 218 extension
probably a bit overpowered.

sausage
QLD, 4873 posts
17 Feb 2017 4:06PM
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Mark,
Here's link to exact same boom problem. Very slack production from MS considering just how good their 180-240 boom is. Big disappointment with it.

www.seabreeze.com.au/forums/Windsurfing/General/Carbon-boom-repairs

Mark _australia
WA, 22378 posts
17 Feb 2017 3:38PM
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Yes that's the thread I was looking for.
So you did build up the back end dia. I might do that also.

Te Hau
480 posts
18 Feb 2017 5:26AM
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Mark _australia said..
Yes that's the thread I was looking for.
So you did build up the back end dia. I might do that also.


If you're worried about the abrasion resistance of the epoxy resin (it's not good) you could add some calcite and alumina powder as I do for my fin gelcoat.
mix 100mls resin with +50% calcite, 25% graphite, 25% aluminium oxide
materials are used by potters for glazing.

Richiefish
QLD, 5610 posts
18 Feb 2017 10:25AM
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Mastbender said..

JonesySail said..
i believe its simple cosmetic day surgery these days ....



Yes, it's part of the designer va-jay-jay package that has become so popular lately.
Any shape, any size, jewelry included.


I was told you whack in a leg of beef and pull out the bone......?

AUS 808
WA, 455 posts
23 Feb 2017 12:59PM
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ratz said..
A lot gamer than me mark.
i haven't used my one since it let go on me.
it always felt flimsy compared to my enigma.
mine was being used with a 8.6 at 218 extension
probably a bit overpowered.


When I used my Mauis on the 8.6M they just didn't feel safe, you could see the extensions bending and they still had 12cm of adjustment to go By the way, I just looked at their web site & they recommend the 170-230 for upto 8.5M.

The Maui booms have too smaller diameter extension, ~20mm which is the same from the 130-180 wave boom upto the 170-230 Slalom.
Then when you go to the next size up the extension is 38mm, the slalom boom should be somewhere in between similar to other brands.
Even though they are a small diameter, I haven't seen the extensions break.

Ratz, if you want it repaired let me know, got a couple (different brands) on the go at the moment
I'm a boomaholic

azymuth
WA, 2031 posts
23 Feb 2017 3:53PM
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^^^
You're a boomer who loves booms



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