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Never windsurfed Manhattan Beach, but used to go down their to party though. I been to Long Beach several times, when I was learning how to windsurf. Some good spots their. I lived in Camarillo at the time, so Ventura and Leo Carrillo were the closest. Good times their, but doesn't compare to Oregon. Oregon is much windier than California for some reason. I get so many more sessions up here than in California. Never knew it until I moved here. But I do miss those beautiful cali girls glistening on the beach in those string bikinis.
This sort of chop? Ocean sailing is 90% of what I sail, flat water for me is boring after a few runs it's also a much longer drive away so sailing closer to home maximises TOW.
How fast? 25-30in this is absolutely flying and heaps of fun and a serious workout, I've done a 22+ 1 hour out there so that's quick, or as the guys drinking beers from the top roof top of nearby resort calculated , 1.5 min from island to shore!
And if you want to open up a can of worms this is where the whole entire GPS 'comparison of speed only' really doesn't make sense. Every spot has its own challenges and as such max speeds will vary massively , 25-30 in the ocean is flying, where as 25-30 on a speed run isn't fast at all. So what is 'fast sailing in chop' will depend on the local conditions. 40knts ocean is doable in patches, again depends on location, sometimes you can get massive long flat water patches between waves.
Local spot records on KA72 is a pretty cool idea.
Is there more people looking at pushing harder in open water these days? boards specifically developed for it... the 'fox' 'blast' 'KA GPS' etc
Waste harness, forgiving board , stiff fin, and fat softer foot pads are key ingredients, I love the open water blast, max adrenaline, max workout.
I'd love to see more open water races, maybe even the old school surf slalom, in out through the waves.
Speaking of 20+Seabreeze is calling!
Chop can vary so much. Short frequency chop can be a lot worse than large ocean swells. Sometimes in large swell you can bare down with the wave face and pick large gaps of flat water. In cross shore wind, swell will refract to be head on near the beach and more cross shore further out.
Chop or no chop, how do ya want your chops? I'll take mine well done. Wanna beer? Yes! I think we all need a beer after reading about all this chop shop. Lets hop out of the chop and move onto something else. LOL...
Some great pics there, love the open ocean stuff.
For me, who really cares how fast you go in river chop, millpond flat water or proper open ocean? Who ever comes in with the biggest smile at days end is the clearly winner 
Decrepit,
I see what you're saying. Point made. The closest mytracks is for example is 29.1, 37.3 and 38 MPH etc. See mytracks is accurate for its data received, but doesn't draw out the decimal as far, but you're looking for a more fine tuned number such as 37.27 mph. You wanted the decimal brought out farther. I was trying earlier to understand what is he talking about. Now we're on the same page. All is good mate.
Magic, your still not there, the point is, how inaccurate car speedos are.
It's not just a case of the extra decimal point, it's that you can't judge the accuracy of a gps by comparing it to a car speedo.
Because the car speedo can be out by 8% and we need much better than that, and typically if a gps has a good sky view it will be far better than a car speedo.
Yes but didn't we all check our gps against a car speedo before we got confident in the glitch filtering of the approved downloading software? I discovered an intermittent glitch in a Garmin gps by checking against a car speedo. Car speedos may not have the absolute accuracy of a gps but they are pretty glitch proof. Do we know how thorough the glitch filtering is on the mytracks software?
Would the minimum speed recorded by a car speedo doing alphas on a quiet roundabout be more or less accurate than the minimum speed recorded by the GPS on the dashboard? I'm not too sure.
You can work it out for yourself. A knot is 1 nautical mile per hour. The knots were simply the number of knots through the hands within a given time so therefore the gap between the knots is variable depending upon the amount of time you wish to use to perform the measurement.
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The chip log was "cast" over the stern of the moving vessel and the line allowed to pay out.[5] Knots placed at a distance of 8 fathoms - 47 feet 3 inches (14.4018 m) from each other, passed through a sailor's fingers, while another sailor used a 30-second sand-glass (28-second sand-glass is the currently accepted timing) to time the operation.
Does anyone know where to buy a 30 second sandglass? Would I need a waterproof pac for it? Would it perform differently in chop?
Well if the flow of sand is linear with gravity the ups and downs, no matter how jolted should cancel out as long as the glass ends up at the initial height. (Maybe not ?) Water is horizontal so that condition is met. This got me googling. There doesn't seem to be an answer! How does a 30 second hour glass perform on the moon?
www.technologyreview.com/s/418993/the-mystery-of-sand-flow-through-an-hourglass/
edit. Found it
arxiv.org/pdf/0707.4550.pdf
Flow rate W varies with the sqrt of gravity.
W = Cρb√g(D0 − kdp)5/2
But then again maybe we didn't want it linear for accuracy in chop?
This will keep me awake.
Did some sums. You were right Decrepit. Chop does affect time in an hour glass because sand flow is non-linear. My initial guess, (Shouldn't have retracted it ), was also right but for the wrong reasons. If sand flowed linearly with gravity, ( which it doesn't) then it would all cancel out if the vertical velocity ended up as zero again. i.e., the integral of the accelerations was zero. As long as you don't go too high so that g changes that is.
What else is there to do on a Saturday night?
I hear decrepit is buyin. Beers for all. How much more chop talk do we got? I think a new bumper sticker should be in the making. "GOT CHOP"?
