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Interesting tail concept - trim tabs

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Created by sausage > 9 months ago, 19 Nov 2013
sausage
QLD, 4873 posts
19 Nov 2013 11:34AM
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Just came across this article whilst searching adjustable outhauls . Has anyone seen or had experience with this rather radical tail concept. I assume the cutout trim tabs/wings flex and soften the ride in chop but provide additional planing capacity???? Gybing must be an experience too.

Quote "It is the brainchild of Mark Nelson - a designer in Hawaii who has designed boards for some of the best sailors on the planet so he knows a few things".

philswindsurfingblog.blogspot.com/2013/09/some-random-musings-and-equipment.html




Lovely looking open ocean speed board from Nelson's too. Has a Mistral 91 feel about it?
www.nelsonfactory.com/2014-speed-board/

jusavina
QLD, 1465 posts
19 Nov 2013 11:56AM
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It's a swallow tail. Made to ride in the fresh powder

fjdoug
ACT, 548 posts
19 Nov 2013 1:21PM
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late eighties?

Man0verBoard
WA, 629 posts
19 Nov 2013 12:21PM
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Yep, been applying this is a slightly different way to my boards - We adopted/adapted from Neil Scheltema's wave board designs. It's a great idea and we will be looking more closely at it with respect to countering the affect of the sail head stalling..
This is the MkII version I'm just completing..a bob-tail version, if you like..



Mk1..








Waiting4wind
NSW, 1871 posts
19 Nov 2013 7:29PM
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sausage said..

Just came across this article whilst searching adjustable outhauls . Has anyone seen or had experience with this rather radical tail concept. I assume the cutout trim tabs/wings flex and soften the ride in chop but provide additional planing capacity???? Gybing must be an experience too.

Quote "It is the brainchild of Mark Nelson - a designer in Hawaii who has designed boards for some of the best sailors on the planet so he knows a few things".

philswindsurfingblog.blogspot.com/2013/09/some-random-musings-and-equipment.html




Lovely looking open ocean speed board from Nelson's too. Has a Mistral 91 feel about it?
www.nelsonfactory.com/2014-speed-board/



Didnt mark Nelson originally shape boards for Mistral, going way back.

fjdoug
ACT, 548 posts
19 Nov 2013 8:46PM
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^^^not sure it was way back, but Mark and Bruce Wylie were doing boards for mistral around 2002.
i guess it came about after the mistral/naish split.

Bondalucci
VIC, 1579 posts
19 Nov 2013 10:45PM
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I'm pretty sure he was still shaping the Syncros up to around 2008/9.

Mark _australia
WA, 22521 posts
19 Nov 2013 8:19PM
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Lots of flapper tails have been trialled and none lasted whether flexy or stiff. So can't see I'll ever be a fan....

Then again I am buying a quad and *almost* like one of my 4 batten sails in *some* conditions so wonders will never cease

NotWal
QLD, 7428 posts
20 Nov 2013 2:27AM
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Mark _australia said..

Lots of flapper tails have been trialled and none lasted whether flexy or stiff. So can't see I'll ever be a fan....

Then again I am buying a quad and *almost* like one of my 4 batten sails in *some* conditions so wonders will never cease


What don't you like about your 4 batten sails (Combats?). Curious about them m'self.

Mark _australia
WA, 22521 posts
20 Nov 2013 2:40PM
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^^ I know a smaller sail does not need as many battens cos they're closer together, and I know they say it is just as stable... but I find my 4.5 does feel a lot less stable than the others.
What they fail to acknowledge as what their pro team thinks is stable may be great but normal big folk use them in a lot more wind.
So I LOVE my 5.0 and 5.3 Combats (2013 models) and I really like the 4 batten 4.5 (2013 model) on a wave but dislike it for B&J or just getting to the waves - I can feel the reduced stability.

Case in point - my 4.2 Combat - a 2010 model - is the most stable and has the largest wind range of any Combat I have ever used so they have gone backwards IMHO.

NotWal
QLD, 7428 posts
21 Nov 2013 12:15AM
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^^^ I feared as much.

Mark _australia
WA, 22521 posts
21 Nov 2013 8:17PM
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YMMV
Still try one if you can...



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