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Is black the new 'fashion' colour for sails?

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Created by GazMan > 9 months ago, 28 Oct 2011
GazMan
WA, 842 posts
28 Oct 2011 9:50PM
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Noticed that a number of sail manufacturers (i.e. Point 7, Severne & KA for instance) are going for loads of black colour in some of their most popular sails. Can't see the appeal myself, though curious to hear what others have to say!

CJW
NSW, 1718 posts
29 Oct 2011 2:42PM
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Well there are black highlights (Severne, KA, most manufacturers at some point) and there there's an almost entirely black sail, Point 7. I think they are on their own with this one.

Waiting4wind
NSW, 1871 posts
29 Oct 2011 3:10PM
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I've also seen a hot sails maui all black sail.

I suppose you could say thet black sails are cool or hot.... depends on your perspective.

I did notice that on a hot day the hot sails maui black sail almost dries instantly.

legless
SA, 852 posts
30 Oct 2011 3:27AM
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Waiting4wind said...

I've also seen a hot sails maui all black sail.

I suppose you could say thet black sails are cool or hot.... depends on your perspective.

I did notice that on a hot day the hot sails maui black sail almost dries instantly.


I have a 95% Black Hot Sails Maui super freak.....looks good on the water and does dry a lot faster than my white and blue super freak. This coming summer will be it's first summer out so it will be interesting to see how hot it gets.

Reflex Films
WA, 1446 posts
30 Oct 2011 11:55AM
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Red is the new black

GazMan
WA, 842 posts
30 Oct 2011 11:53PM
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There certainly appears to have been a marked increase in the usage of black material by sailmakers in the past 5 years, wonder whether this is demand driven or just a marketing ploy?

barn
WA, 2960 posts
31 Oct 2011 8:47AM
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My 2008 Gaastra was all black with a small red line and it was like sailing Kitt from Knightrider..

In theory Black is a good colour because it absorbs light, preventing UV penetration, which is what kills sails. Not heat.. This is the same with car tyres to prevent perishing, and dark skin to prevent cancer..

Furthering this theory, is my Thesis, as follows..

Blue sails would absorb every colour except blue, and the entire UV spectrum.. Whereas Red would absorb every other colour including the Ultra Violet light, preventing UV penetration, (like black?).

Does that make sense? I dunno..


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Unfortunately, I think Point7's efforts with making completely black sails has ruined the completely black look for everyone..


And I suspect Reflexs Red thumbs are to support his claim that Red is the new Black.. Needed to be said, I certainly laughed..

swoosh
QLD, 1927 posts
31 Oct 2011 11:25AM
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I'm thinking that this will be the next step. Why absorb light, when you can just reflect it away, kapow!


also comes in pro edition, gold, for the real balla's



If someone makes a sail out of reflective material, i'm buying it just to have the worlds most obnoxious sail. Thou it'd probably be impossible to sail if the sun was behind me.

Zfy
NSW, 51 posts
31 Oct 2011 1:15PM
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Didn't Pryde already make obnoxious silver and gold reflective sails a few years back?

CJW
NSW, 1718 posts
31 Oct 2011 5:24PM
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Severne had some reflective action going of a few years back didn't they?

barn
WA, 2960 posts
31 Oct 2011 3:03PM
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I still own a 2005(?) 4.0 S-1 with reflective panels.. Doesn't get out much since I got fat..

But the Blade had the full deal..



It would be better to do the underside of a board in mirror scheme.. I'll look into it..

swoosh
QLD, 1927 posts
31 Oct 2011 5:24PM
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i thought about doing it, silver surfer style.

but i gave up as i figured it'd probably add a bit of weight to the board if you wanted to get a really nice looking finish. also turns out i'm too lazy to build a board.

CJW
NSW, 1718 posts
31 Oct 2011 7:16PM
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swoosh said...

i thought about doing it, silver surfer style.

but i gave up as i figured it'd probably add a bit of weight to the board if you wanted to get a really nice looking finish. also turns out i'm too lazy to build a board.


Aluminium foil, duct tape, 10 mins; profit

Reflex Films
WA, 1446 posts
31 Oct 2011 6:54PM
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red is the new green

Mark _australia
WA, 22521 posts
31 Oct 2011 6:59PM
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There ya go Matt, some green lol

Simmer also did reflective a few years back, I disliked it on the beach as I kept getting a shot of sun in the eye when I picked it up, but on the water it was fine as it just gave everyone else the sh!ts I guess

Reflective board bottom would be easy Barn, you can get that chrome look spraypaint at hardware stores and it is not bad...... PC Simmo could advise if there is a 2pak?

Squid Lips
WA, 708 posts
31 Oct 2011 8:34PM
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Even easier would be chrome vinyl, like what covers most of the cars the internets claim to be made from silver...

A couple of my Ka sails have silver reflective in the head and foot. Must have been all the rage a few years ago.

Al Planet
TAS, 1546 posts
1 Nov 2011 10:55AM
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I am going to predict that NP/JP will be the first to use chameleon paint on their sails and boards. What euro could resist a colour combo like that?



stehsegler
WA, 3473 posts
1 Nov 2011 8:05AM
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barn said...
In theory Black is a good colour because it absorbs light, preventing UV penetration, which is what kills sails. Not heat.. This is the same with car tyres to prevent perishing, and dark skin to prevent cancer..

Furthering this theory, is my Thesis, as follows..

Blue sails would absorb every colour except blue, and the entire UV spectrum.. Whereas Red would absorb every other colour including the Ultra Violet light, preventing UV penetration, (like black?).


Classic case of "A little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing..."

Go back to school and do a bit more learning.

stehsegler
WA, 3473 posts
1 Nov 2011 8:06AM
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Al Planet said...

I am going to predict that NP/JP will be the first to use chameleon paint on their sails and boards. What euro could resist a colour combo like that?




I hope none of the NP design geniuses read this threat otherwise their sails next season will very much look like the paint job on this ride.

barn
WA, 2960 posts
1 Nov 2011 8:57AM
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stehsegler said...

barn said...
In theory Black is a good colour because it absorbs light, preventing UV penetration, which is what kills sails. Not heat.. This is the same with car tyres to prevent perishing, and dark skin to prevent cancer..

Furthering this theory, is my Thesis, as follows..

Blue sails would absorb every colour except blue, and the entire UV spectrum.. Whereas Red would absorb every other colour including the Ultra Violet light, preventing UV penetration, (like black?).


Classic case of "A little bit of knowledge can be a dangerous thing..."

Go back to school and do a bit more learning.


I appreciate the correction. But I will not learn anything by you telling me to 'go back to school'.. What a F$$King smug thing to say.. How about some constructive criticism?

"Your forward loops are crap, learn to windsurf again" is also a jerk thing to say, no matter how true it could be..

You went to the effort to reply, how hard is it to write a short paragraph with an explanation?...

The opening points on car tyres and cancer were fine, and my rational for the thesis was that if a sail does not let thru blue wavelength, then it wouldn't let thru the UV wavelength.. There is nothing 'dangerous' about proposing a thesis is there? Not matter how daft.


Thesis 1 a statement or theory that is put forward as a premise to be maintained or proved :

P.C_simpson
NSW, 1489 posts
1 Nov 2011 12:58PM
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Yer Mark you can get chrome car paint, hell expensive to buy the real deal, there is a bit of a process to get it full chrome, black base then chrome then the 2k clear, i want to paint a car in it but it's illegal in australia like everything else these days.

a board would look sick but prob be to much paint and get a bit heavy, chrome also heats up hell fast, prob would destroy your board in the sun like painting it black, a surfboard would be sick though as you don't really leave them in the sun.. Hmm Silver surfer, cool think i might have to look into that one.. already got a punisher one..

Al Planet
TAS, 1546 posts
1 Nov 2011 1:11PM
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This talk of the physics of colour is messing with my head. What .....pink isn't a colour?

Windxtasy
WA, 4014 posts
1 Nov 2011 10:14AM
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I like the silver panels, and Maui sails had some lovely holographic panels a few years back.
Black? Booooring! Pirates only.
Would I buy a sail based on colour only? I have in the past. Now I'm more concerned with the functional aspects, but all things being equal...
Chameleon paint? Yes please!

barn
WA, 2960 posts
1 Nov 2011 10:23AM
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.pink isn't a colour?


I went back to school, Burtward didn't tell me what grade to start from, I'm assuming I have to start from the 1st..

But I have just noticed that the song 'I Can Sing A Rainbow' (my first lesson) is factually incorrect as they include pink..

They lied to us thru song, I hate it when people do that..

swoosh
QLD, 1927 posts
1 Nov 2011 12:33PM
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googlepedia uv stabilisers/absorbers

http://www.plascolour.com/uv_resistance.html

uv, not heat, is what kills.

also relevant for this thread

king of the point
WA, 1836 posts
4 Nov 2011 8:24AM
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Makes me laugh
You do wonder whats going on in the minds of these creative freeks.
May be its the gothic dark side there into post world trade centre bombing 10 year thing or there cellebrating for the capture of Kadarffie
or do they wake up after uniting with the bible and reading about jacobs coloured jacket

To much seaming = extra weight

Ps : regarding pink and fluero yellow / green sorry to shock you the only wetsuit and sail you could get in the late 80s early 90s was or had fken Pink.
Thanks Robby Naish Shane Horan and others you know who you are

evlPanda
NSW, 9202 posts
4 Nov 2011 4:01PM
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I like pink.

Mark _australia
WA, 22521 posts
4 Nov 2011 2:11PM
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P.C_simpson said...

Yer Mark you can get chrome car paint, hell expensive to buy the real deal, there is a bit of a process to get it full chrome, black base then chrome then the 2k clear, i want to paint a car in it but it's illegal in australia like everything else these days.

a board would look sick but prob be to much paint and get a bit heavy, chrome also heats up hell fast, prob would destroy your board in the sun like painting it black, a surfboard would be sick though as you don't really leave them in the sun.. Hmm Silver surfer, cool think i might have to look into that one.. already got a punisher one..


Now I know about the vinyl you could do the bottom of a predominantly black board with it to stop it heating up too much.

Bonus - 2 years time peel it off board looks new = higher resale value

gregc
VIC, 1299 posts
5 Nov 2011 8:17AM
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Yea you could do a vinyl wrap across the bottom of the board but it would change the laminar flow on the board which may lead to a slower less stable hull, or just not buy a black board, or you could just take care of the black board. Both options would be effective.



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