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USA travel warnings

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Created by Gestalt Tuesday, 25 Mar 2025
Gestalt
QLD, 14501 posts
Tuesday , 25 Mar 2025 12:16PM
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FWIW, be very careful booking windsurfing trips to the US.

Countries are starting to issue travel warnings after people from western countries are being detained and locked up. seems US immigration policies have become stricter and not everyone is welcome anymore.

Rango
WA, 806 posts
Tuesday , 25 Mar 2025 12:07PM
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They banned wingdingers because they're not sure if they are a windsurfer or kitesurfer.

ned321
93 posts
Tuesday , 25 Mar 2025 8:26PM
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Formal warning issued today in the NL: do not go to the US when you have an X in your passport.
I'm a boring hetero guy. But disgusted at this repeat of the nazi time.

2025 is the new 1933.
Boycot the swasticar.

boardsurfr
WA, 2446 posts
Tuesday , 25 Mar 2025 10:15PM
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This issue is not one to joke about. Anyone traveling to the US must realize that having a visa does not mean you will actually be able to enter the US, since border agents have the power to invalidate visas. When this happens, you enter a status without any legal protections. There are lots of documented cases where tourists from Europe or Canada were denied entry, and then put in detention for weeks. For people from middle or south American countries, detention can be many months. Tourists have been put in detention even when they offer to pay for the flight back to their home country. Here's one chilling story: www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-detained-us-immigration-jasmine-mooney

The reason why entry to the US is denied, and those trying to enter with a valid visa are put in detention, vary. In one case, a person with poor English answered the question where he lived wrong, giving the US address he was traveling to instead of his home address. In several other cases, the US border agent came to the conclusion that the tourists were trying to enter the US to work there, revoked their visa, and detained them (for multiple weeks). There are also cases where visas were revoked, and entry denied, after border agents searched phones and computers, and discovered photos or posts that they deemed incriminating. Not giving border agents access to phones and computers is also a reason to deny entry to visa holders.

For most tourist who never traveled to the Middle East or countries that have been or will be affected by US visa bans, entry in the US with a valid visa will not be a problem, as long as you never overstayed a visa in the US during a previous visit (which is a reason to deny entry, even if you received a new visa after that). Another reason to deny entry is any criminal conviction (including DUI and minor drug charges).

A lot of the horror stories with denied entry and long detentions are from tourists trying the enter the US at the border to Mexico. Keep that in mind if you're going for a trip to Baja, and want to add some time visiting the US afterwards. Is it worth the risk?

jdfoils
307 posts
Wednesday , 25 Mar 2025 11:25PM
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boardsurfr said..
This issue is not one to joke about. Anyone traveling to the US must realize that having a visa does not mean you will actually be able to enter the US, since border agents have the power to invalidate visas. When this happens, you enter a status without any legal protections. There are lots of documented cases where tourists from Europe or Canada were denied entry, and then put in detention for weeks. For people from middle or south American countries, detention can be many months. Tourists have been put in detention even when they offer to pay for the flight back to their home country. Here's one chilling story: www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-detained-us-immigration-jasmine-mooney

The reason why entry to the US is denied, and those trying to enter with a valid visa are put in detention, vary. In one case, a person with poor English answered the question where he lived wrong, giving the US address he was traveling to instead of his home address. In several other cases, the US border agent came to the conclusion that the tourists were trying to enter the US to work there, revoked their visa, and detained them (for multiple weeks). There are also cases where visas were revoked, and entry denied, after border agents searched phones and computers, and discovered photos or posts that they deemed incriminating. Not giving border agents access to phones and computers is also a reason to deny entry to visa holders.

For most tourist who never traveled to the Middle East or countries that have been or will be affected by US visa bans, entry in the US with a valid visa will not be a problem, as long as you never overstayed a visa in the US during a previous visit (which is a reason to deny entry, even if you received a new visa after that). Another reason to deny entry is any criminal conviction (including DUI and minor drug charges).

A lot of the horror stories with denied entry and long detentions are from tourists trying the enter the US at the border to Mexico. Keep that in mind if you're going for a trip to Baja, and want to add some time visiting the US afterwards. Is it worth the risk?


Fearmongering at its finest.

duzzi
1091 posts
Wednesday , 25 Mar 2025 11:56PM
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jdfoils said..



boardsurfr said..
This issue is not one to joke about. Anyone traveling to the US must realize that having a visa does not mean you will actually be able to enter the US, since border agents have the power to invalidate visas. When this happens, you enter a status without any legal protections. There are lots of documented cases where tourists from Europe or Canada were denied entry, and then put in detention for weeks. For people from middle or south American countries, detention can be many months. Tourists have been put in detention even when they offer to pay for the flight back to their home country. Here's one chilling story: www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-detained-us-immigration-jasmine-mooney

The reason why entry to the US is denied, and those trying to enter with a valid visa are put in detention, vary. In one case, a person with poor English answered the question where he lived wrong, giving the US address he was traveling to instead of his home address. In several other cases, the US border agent came to the conclusion that the tourists were trying to enter the US to work there, revoked their visa, and detained them (for multiple weeks). There are also cases where visas were revoked, and entry denied, after border agents searched phones and computers, and discovered photos or posts that they deemed incriminating. Not giving border agents access to phones and computers is also a reason to deny entry to visa holders.

For most tourist who never traveled to the Middle East or countries that have been or will be affected by US visa bans, entry in the US with a valid visa will not be a problem, as long as you never overstayed a visa in the US during a previous visit (which is a reason to deny entry, even if you received a new visa after that). Another reason to deny entry is any criminal conviction (including DUI and minor drug charges).

A lot of the horror stories with denied entry and long detentions are from tourists trying the enter the US at the border to Mexico. Keep that in mind if you're going for a trip to Baja, and want to add some time visiting the US afterwards. Is it worth the risk?


Fearmongering at its finest.


The problem is not so much that you will be denied entry, but that you can be arrested and detained. Denied entry will wreck your tourist or business plans, but detention is a different beast. Boardsurfr is correct, there have been already number of Europeans visa holders that have been detained for extended periods of time, and with no cause. Not to mention permanent residents that have been abducted and jailed because their foreign policy opinions do not align with those of the administration.

So, yes, especially if you have expressed public opinions in favor of Palestinians, or against the Trump administration, worrying about traveling to the USA is more than justified. It is not fearmongering, we are in the hands of techo-fascists over here.

apnews.com/article/border-tourists-german-canadian-detention-immigration-408cd27338e8065268fabc835f8b0c34

apnews.com/article/mahmoud-khalil-immigration-ice-green-card-trump-deportation-eff078098165bbcd0d2bd315b1a7ca02

Tequila !
WA, 1006 posts
Wednesday , 26 Mar 2025 6:08AM
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Hahaha

Go to Cuba or Venezuela instead.

AP is propanganda from the left.

Australia is better, locked up people for 2 wks thrn they travelled here even not sick (w tests etc).
Sad to know 80% of the people here still support those measures.

You guys cant look beyond your own belly.

boardsurfr
WA, 2446 posts
Wednesday , 26 Mar 2025 8:04AM
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There's a summary of recent cases at www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/ice-detention-centres-american-citizens-tourists-b2720960.html which includes 3 cases of German citizens. One (Lucas Sielaff) was detained for 2 weeks after giving a wrong answer; one (Jessica Br?sche) was detained for more than 6 weeks because the immigration agent determined that she planned to work in the US; and the third person (Fabian Schmidt) was a green card holder who was detained at the beginning of March and likely will remain in detention until a hearing in June.

All those cases have been widely reported in the media in Europe, which will certainly have an effect on tourism. Why risk indeterminate detention in private jails when you can go to Australia, Brazil, the Caribbean, or plenty of other places where a visa means that you can actually enter the country?

boardsurfr
WA, 2446 posts
Wednesday , 26 Mar 2025 8:15AM
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And another one (from www.dw.com/en/german-nationals-us-immigration-detained-interrogation-ice-donald-trump/a-71987211):
"Celine Flad, 22, is another German who found herself at the mercy of an unclear border situation when she tried to go on vacation in New York and Miami. The university student told Der Spiegel that despite having a valid passport and an ESTA waiver, she was told there was a "problem" with her passport. She was held for 24 hours, during which she was repeatedly asked why she wanted to enter the US.
Flad added that the officers took her smartphone and searched through her pictures. Despite showing officials her hotel bookings in New York and Miami, and her flight tickets on to Cancun, Mexico, she was told she was being sent back to Germany as soon as possible. She was never told what the issue was."

And:
"The four Germans are hardly the only tourists and US residents who have found themselves caught in a Kafkaesque situation with ICE following US President Donald Trump's recent crackdown on immigration. ... The situation has gotten to the point where the Foreign Ministry in Berlin has issued an advisory to its citizens planning a trip to the US, stressing that holding a US visa or entry waiver does not guarantee access for German citizens."

jdfoils
307 posts
Wednesday , 26 Mar 2025 8:33AM
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Yep, Kafkaesque

Rango
WA, 806 posts
Wednesday , 26 Mar 2025 9:23AM
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ned321 said..
Formal warning issued today in the NL: do not go to the US when you have an X in your passport.
I'm a boring hetero guy. But disgusted at this repeat of the nazi time.

2025 is the new 1933.
Boycot the swasticar.


What if your wife puts lipstick in your suitcase.

jdfoils
307 posts
Wednesday , 26 Mar 2025 9:59AM
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Rango said..

ned321 said..
Formal warning issued today in the NL: do not go to the US when you have an X in your passport.
I'm a boring hetero guy. But disgusted at this repeat of the nazi time.

2025 is the new 1933.
Boycot the swasticar.



What if your wife puts lipstick in your suitcase.


Read Kafka and find out.

powersloshin
NSW, 1735 posts
Wednesday , 26 Mar 2025 1:13PM
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jdfoils said..


Read Kafka and find out.




Franz Kafka - the Trial, probably removed from US libraries...
100 times better go to Cuba and Venezuela for your hols

jdfoils
307 posts
Wednesday , 26 Mar 2025 10:26AM
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Paranoia strikes deep
Into your life it will creep
It starts when you're always afraid
Step out of line, the men come and take you away

We better stop
Hey, what's that sound?
Everybody look, what's going down?



Vacation wherever you want. What does this have to do with windsurfing anyway? ( this is still a windsurfing fourm )

Gestalt
QLD, 14501 posts
Wednesday , 26 Mar 2025 1:03PM
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that's the point,

when vacationing in America one can no longer vacation wherever they want. they may even be locked up for weeks without legal review.
i was pretty clear in my first post.
"be very careful booking windsurfing trips to the US." that would be what it has to do with windsurfing.

Gestalt
QLD, 14501 posts
Wednesday , 26 Mar 2025 1:15PM
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Tequila ! said..
Hahaha

Go to Cuba or Venezuela instead.

AP is propanganda from the left.

Australia is better, locked up people for 2 wks thrn they travelled here even not sick (w tests etc).
Sad to know 80% of the people here still support those measures.

You guys cant look beyond your own belly.




America - lockdown was not enforced = 1.2M deaths
Australia where lockdown was enforced 9,859 deaths.

facts are facts.

stehsegler
WA, 3491 posts
Wednesday , 26 Mar 2025 12:39PM
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Tequila ! said..
Australia is better, locked up people for 2 wks thrn they travelled here even not sick (w tests etc).
Sad to know 80% of the people here still support those measures.


WA was closed for about 2 years... I was't able to see my parents in Germany or friends/ family on the East Coast. Was it hard? You bet. Would I support it again? 100%.

Apart from the travel restrictions, life in WA continued like nothing had happened. My kids continued to go to school and do their afterschool activities rather than being stuck at home for months on end. As a silver lining Gnaraloo, Geraldton, Margies as well as many other tourists spots could be enjoyed like it was the 1980s rather than being overrun with wannabe influencers.

And that's why 80% of people supported the measures and still do and 100% would support them again when the next pandemic comes around.

stehsegler
WA, 3491 posts
Wednesday , 26 Mar 2025 12:40PM
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Gestalt said..
America - lockdown was not enforced = 1.2M deaths
Australia where lockdown was enforced 9,859 deaths.

facts are facts.


Don't let facts get in way of propaganda.

firiebob
WA, 3160 posts
Wednesday , 26 Mar 2025 12:45PM
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jdfoils said..

boardsurfr said..
This issue is not one to joke about. Anyone traveling to the US must realize that having a visa does not mean you will actually be able to enter the US, since border agents have the power to invalidate visas. When this happens, you enter a status without any legal protections. There are lots of documented cases where tourists from Europe or Canada were denied entry, and then put in detention for weeks. For people from middle or south American countries, detention can be many months. Tourists have been put in detention even when they offer to pay for the flight back to their home country. Here's one chilling story: www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-detained-us-immigration-jasmine-mooney

The reason why entry to the US is denied, and those trying to enter with a valid visa are put in detention, vary. In one case, a person with poor English answered the question where he lived wrong, giving the US address he was traveling to instead of his home address. In several other cases, the US border agent came to the conclusion that the tourists were trying to enter the US to work there, revoked their visa, and detained them (for multiple weeks). There are also cases where visas were revoked, and entry denied, after border agents searched phones and computers, and discovered photos or posts that they deemed incriminating. Not giving border agents access to phones and computers is also a reason to deny entry to visa holders.

For most tourist who never traveled to the Middle East or countries that have been or will be affected by US visa bans, entry in the US with a valid visa will not be a problem, as long as you never overstayed a visa in the US during a previous visit (which is a reason to deny entry, even if you received a new visa after that). Another reason to deny entry is any criminal conviction (including DUI and minor drug charges).

A lot of the horror stories with denied entry and long detentions are from tourists trying the enter the US at the border to Mexico. Keep that in mind if you're going for a trip to Baja, and want to add some time visiting the US afterwards. Is it worth the risk?



Fearmongering at its finest.


Boardsurf is actually an American living in America I believe, he probally has a good idea what's going on.

stehsegler
WA, 3491 posts
Wednesday , 26 Mar 2025 12:56PM
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Gestalt said..
FWIW, be very careful booking windsurfing trips to the US.


A few realities to consider when travelling to the US ... or to Australia for that matter. Customs officers have the legal right to search your phone and other electronic devices if they have suspicion you might be entering the country to do work without the correct visa.

What many people also don't realise is that if you enter the US / Canada with the intention of staying an extended period of time they will ask you about or ability to fund your trip. This can go as far as having to show bank balances and credit card limits. (something I have experienced first hand when flying into Canada with the intention to travel around for 9 months)

If you intent to enter the US or Canada via a land border you need have the correct visa. The visa obtained under the waiver program only allows you to arrive via air travel. You also need to get your passport stamped when leaving to Mexico or Canada if you intent to return. Some of the smaller border crossings to Mexico and into Canada have a habit of waving people through without stamps. You'll 100% have issues when returning to the US.

Political climate aside the biggest deterrent travelling to the US at the moment in my opinion is the cost of living and dollar exchange rate. Even with a favourable exchange rate the US has become incredibly expensive. There are plenty of cheaper windsurf destinations for Australians.

Mauritius, Southern Europe, Middle East (Oman), South East Asia (East Java, Sumbawa, Vietnam, Malaysia, Northern Philipines) are all underrated in my opinion. All of them are windy (at the right time of the year), have waves and/or flat water, warm weather and are mostly affordable (maybe not Oman and Southern Europe).

FormulaNova
WA, 14921 posts
Wednesday , 26 Mar 2025 1:50PM
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firiebob said..

jdfoils said..


boardsurfr said..
This issue is not one to joke about. Anyone traveling to the US must realize that having a visa does not mean you will actually be able to enter the US, since border agents have the power to invalidate visas. When this happens, you enter a status without any legal protections. There are lots of documented cases where tourists from Europe or Canada were denied entry, and then put in detention for weeks. For people from middle or south American countries, detention can be many months. Tourists have been put in detention even when they offer to pay for the flight back to their home country. Here's one chilling story: www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-detained-us-immigration-jasmine-mooney

The reason why entry to the US is denied, and those trying to enter with a valid visa are put in detention, vary. In one case, a person with poor English answered the question where he lived wrong, giving the US address he was traveling to instead of his home address. In several other cases, the US border agent came to the conclusion that the tourists were trying to enter the US to work there, revoked their visa, and detained them (for multiple weeks). There are also cases where visas were revoked, and entry denied, after border agents searched phones and computers, and discovered photos or posts that they deemed incriminating. Not giving border agents access to phones and computers is also a reason to deny entry to visa holders.

For most tourist who never traveled to the Middle East or countries that have been or will be affected by US visa bans, entry in the US with a valid visa will not be a problem, as long as you never overstayed a visa in the US during a previous visit (which is a reason to deny entry, even if you received a new visa after that). Another reason to deny entry is any criminal conviction (including DUI and minor drug charges).

A lot of the horror stories with denied entry and long detentions are from tourists trying the enter the US at the border to Mexico. Keep that in mind if you're going for a trip to Baja, and want to add some time visiting the US afterwards. Is it worth the risk?




Fearmongering at its finest.



Boardsurf is actually an American living in America I believe, he probally has a good idea what's going on.


I suspect that entering the USA as a citizen is very different to the probing that everyone else gets.

ned321
93 posts
Wednesday , 26 Mar 2025 2:09PM
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2025 the new 1933.

In 1933, the majority of people also thought nothing special was happening.

Fall to nazism didn't happen in one big bang. But in a series of small steps.
The pace at which these steps are set in Muskland, is terrifying.

The "project 2025" playbook (900 pages) is carried out to the letter.
That is why it was so easy, to build a tracker. This has been prepared in 2 years time by hundreds of people (heritage foundation).
www.project2025.observer/

ned321
93 posts
Wednesday , 26 Mar 2025 2:17PM
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Dutch journalist Kirsten Verdel is keeping a diary (google translated NL > ENG)
reportersonline-nl.translate.goog/besluiten-trump-impact/?_x_tr_sl=nl&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=nl&_x_tr_pto=wapp

But her emails
x.com/mkraju/status/1904264536519061667

stehsegler
WA, 3491 posts
Wednesday , 26 Mar 2025 3:16PM
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I'll stay out of the political discussion but 100% agree that this is following the 1923 Nazi Party playbook just at a much faster speed. And just like Germans in 1933 the majority of Americans seem to be ok with whats happening in their country today.

Rango
WA, 806 posts
Wednesday , 26 Mar 2025 3:25PM
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Before you know it those Tesla Optimus robots are going to muscle in on every good wave break. Dropping in ,slashing tyres in the car park and all.FFS

John340
QLD, 3257 posts
Wednesday , 26 Mar 2025 7:46PM
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FFS

I agree.

As odious as Trump is, comparisons between 1933 Nazi Germany and 2025 USA are ludicrous and only reinforce the hysteria of the political left.

Gestalt
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Wednesday , 26 Mar 2025 8:25PM
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stehsegler said..
I'll stay out of the political discussion but 100% agree that this is following the 1923 Nazi Party playbook just at a much faster speed. And just like Germans in 1933 the majority of Americans seem to be ok with whats happening in their country today.





Unfortunately you are spot on. It took hitler 53 days. American leadership is step by step doing what hitler did. Or Orban, Putin etc. generally people don't understand how Hitler took control of Germany they only know the outcome that followed.

Once people are aware of history the parallels are glaring

Gestalt
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Wednesday , 26 Mar 2025 8:28PM
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ned321 said..
2025 the new 1933.

In 1933, the majority of people also thought nothing special was happening.

Fall to nazism didn't happen in one big bang. But in a series of small steps.
The pace at which these steps are set in Muskland, is terrifying.

The "project 2025" playbook (900 pages) is carried out to the letter.
That is why it was so easy, to build a tracker. This has been prepared in 2 years time by hundreds of people (heritage foundation).
www.project2025.observer/


Thx for the link

Tequila !
WA, 1006 posts
Wednesday , 26 Mar 2025 8:57PM
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You guys still jack off to Mr Mc clown...your daddy....but he then was so tired he had to abandon you to make millions and not respond to his excesses when the time was up.

You should all still wear masks so we can spot you and make distance from you. Get an extra boost, get your tests etc to help them get rid of the 6 warehouses full of the useless pieces we all paid.

Complaining about inflation? Please dont. Your support to all free market disruption actions fuelled it and validate irresponsible political leaders drunk on power.

Explain to your sons and grandkids your stupidity helped create the economic mess we are all in.

stehsegler
WA, 3491 posts
Wednesday , 26 Mar 2025 10:54PM
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Tequila ! said..
Explain to your sons and grandkids your stupidity helped create the economic mess we are all in.


I won't get into a discussion about economics and politics with conspiracy theorists and homophobic racists... or perhaps I assume you posted all those images for ****s and giggles.

ned321
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Thursday , 26 Mar 2025 11:01PM
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John340 said..

Rango said..
FFS


I agree.

As odious as Trump is, comparisons between 1933 Nazi Germany and 2025 USA are ludicrous and only reinforce the hysteria of the political left.


Extremely naive, this post.

Read the daily summary of the progress on Project 2025 (google translated NL > ENG)
reportersonline-nl.translate.goog/besluiten-trump-impact/?_x_tr_sl=nl&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=nl&_x_tr_pto=wapp

Or if that is too much reading for your taste, check the tracker.
Currently at 42% of the project 2025 runbook.
www.project2025.observer/

When project 2025 is ready, Trump has kept his election promise.
He promised voters, this was the last time EVER they would have to go voting.
That will be the first time in his life, he has kept a promise.

Don't believe me? Here is evidence.
www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/30/donald-trump-wont-have-to-vote-anymore-fox-interview



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