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Created by ikw777 > 9 months ago, 11 Sep 2011
ikw777
QLD, 2995 posts
11 Sep 2011 10:38PM
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For a while I have be periodically soaking my booms in a tub of fresh water in an attempt to get out the salt of the heads and slow down corrosion. It occurs to me though that I have no rational basis for doing this. It just seems like a good idea. I don't know if it's really useful or not. In fact it might be worse, no doubt creating a weak saline bath...! But then I don't understand the role of salt water in aluminium corrosion at all. For instance, is it galvanic corrosion that weakens booms, or something else?

Anyone have any opinions or info?




barn
WA, 2960 posts
11 Sep 2011 9:14PM
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The main component of an Alloy boom is Aluminum, and Al forms a layer of oxide on the surface of the metal. The oxide coat is impermeable to O2 and H20 so that protects the boom from rust.. The bolts should be stainless steel so shouldn't rust either.. But a dunk in fresh water would help get sand and stuff out.. It's windsurfing that weakens Alloy booms

*Edit, Haircut is right again.. I always thought it was the rubbing off of the oxide.. Another reason to buy carbon!..
http://www.corrosionist.com/stainless_steel_aluminum_galvanic_corrosion.html

Haircut
QLD, 6481 posts
11 Sep 2011 11:27PM
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if i remember correctly, there's some issue with alloy making contact with stainless steel when exposed to salt water. if you've got a bolted (non monoqoque) boom, then washing in fresh water might be useful

i'm sure some clever cookie will elaborate

swoosh
QLD, 1927 posts
12 Sep 2011 12:08AM
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I may very well be wrong here as it's been a long time since I've paid any attention to this, but...

Galvanic corrosion will be worse if you stick the two dissimilar metals in an electrolyte, basically what you are doing dunking the head in a tub of water (with salt). Without an electrolyte it will proceed a lot more slowly (or not at all?). Yes the aluminium will form a surface oxide which will act as a barrier, but every time you sail this oxide barrier will probably get broken, then reform.

Big picture thou, I think most decent booms these days tend not to fail in the connections these days as the connections are fairly over engineered. And if its got a monocoque front end, there are no dissimilar metal interfaces to worry about. As barn mentioned above its more likely the arms will fail windsurfing due to fatigue.

KenHo
NSW, 1353 posts
12 Sep 2011 12:26AM
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Haircut said...

if i remember correctly, there's some issue with alloy making contact with stainless steel when exposed to salt water. if you've got a bolted (non monoqoque) boom, then washing in fresh water might be useful

i'm sure some clever cookie will elaborate


Yes, you get electrolytic corrosion when ally and stainless collide. Yachties always separate those metals with an insulator. Not sure what happens in a boom.
I suspect the white stuff in question here is Al oxide, which won't soak off.
A good wash does get the gubbins out though.

Ian1
WA, 129 posts
11 Sep 2011 10:48PM
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Problem with alluminium booms is they are made of an alluminium alloy not pure ally. The ally is mixed with things like copper and zinc to make it stronger/stiffer but this also reduces its resistance to corrosion.
When you add salt water or any electrolyte you eventually get galvanic corrosion between the copper/zinc alloying elements and the aluminium.
If a boom where made of pure alluminium it would bend like butter.

scarrgo
WA, 193 posts
11 Sep 2011 11:31PM
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KenHo said...

Haircut said...

if i remember correctly, there's some issue with alloy making contact with stainless steel when exposed to salt water. if you've got a bolted (non monoqoque) boom, then washing in fresh water might be useful

i'm sure some clever cookie will elaborate


Yes, you get electrolytic corrosion when ally and stainless collide. Yachties always separate those metals with an insulator. Not sure what happens in a boom.
I suspect the white stuff in question here is Al oxide, which won't soak off.
A good wash does get the gubbins out though.




yes in boats we use in particular a substance i like to call green snot (can't remember it's real name) but just a bit of this stuff on all your stainless rivets or bolts into ally or carbon mast ( stainless rivets into carbon without the snot is way worse than stainless on ally) works a treat, so long as you did it properly you won't have any problems with corrosion

ikw777
QLD, 2995 posts
12 Sep 2011 6:51AM
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So essentially I have my booms in a bath of electrolyte right now and am hastening, not hindering, their demise.

Probably then its just best to hang them up head first and let them dry after sailing...

I guess the thing is that salt crystals attract moisture from the atmosphere so its likely there's always salty dampness between the alloy and stainless components...

DrJ
ACT, 481 posts
12 Sep 2011 8:35AM
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I think there is value in at least rinsing your gear with fresh water if it's going to be a week or more before you use it again.

Both sodium and chlorine ions are highly reactive and salt itself is hydroscopic. So if you just let it dry, it will in fact never be dry, as the salt will attract and hold moisture in all the cracks and crannies and corrode continuously, slowly but continuously.

I personally just hose down my gear now and again, certainly before extended periods of storage.

busterwa
3777 posts
12 Sep 2011 7:56PM
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attach a sacrificial anode to it

brad1
QLD, 232 posts
12 Sep 2011 10:09PM
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scarrgo said...

KenHo said...

Haircut said...

if i remember correctly, there's some issue with alloy making contact with stainless steel when exposed to salt water. if you've got a bolted (non monoqoque) boom, then washing in fresh water might be useful

i'm sure some clever cookie will elaborate


Yes, you get electrolytic corrosion when ally and stainless collide. Yachties always separate those metals with an insulator. Not sure what happens in a boom.
I suspect the white stuff in question here is Al oxide, which won't soak off.
A good wash does get the gubbins out though.




yes in boats we use in particular a substance i like to call green snot (can't remember it's real name) but just a bit of this stuff on all your stainless rivets or bolts into ally or carbon mast ( stainless rivets into carbon without the snot is way worse than stainless on ally) works a treat, so long as you did it properly you won't have any problems with corrosion


"Duralac"

ikw777
QLD, 2995 posts
12 Sep 2011 10:16PM
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DrJ said...

I think there is value in at least rinsing your gear with fresh water if it's going to be a week or more before you use it again.

Both sodium and chlorine ions are highly reactive and salt itself is hydroscopic. So if you just let it dry, it will in fact never be dry, as the salt will attract and hold moisture in all the cracks and crannies and corrode continuously, slowly but continuously.

I personally just hose down my gear now and again, certainly before extended periods of storage.


There's sense in what you say. A fresh water rinse to get some of the salt out (hopefully) and then letting them dry out. This might help slow down corrosion.

Eh. Might be time for carbon. I dunno.



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