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Forums > Windsurfing General

Whats the idea of cutouts in slalom boards

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Created by sboardcrazy > 9 months ago, 14 Dec 2014
sboardcrazy
NSW, 8087 posts
14 Dec 2014 2:59PM
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What are cutouts in the tail supposed to do - isonics etc..

McSmurfin
85 posts
14 Dec 2014 12:27PM
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reduces tail area that contacts the water surface when planing. Though at speed you want to be riding mostly on the fin the bottom tail surface of the board would be touching the water with trim changes and oncoming chop. All the wiggly woggly spaceship bits above that I don't believe do anything except look fancy (as they don't go near the water) for the new year models and possibly cause cavitation/trickier gybes :P Smaller boards are generally more and more on the fin and have less tail area anyway so I think differences would be less noticeable?

NotWal
QLD, 7428 posts
14 Dec 2014 3:08PM
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It's a trimming aid.

The faster you go the less wetted area you have, ie the front of the planing flat in contact with the water moves back with speed.
You get to a point where you have a short wide planing flat that is difficult to control because it's too far back.
Minimising the area around the fin keeps the planing area relatively forward without bringing the fin forward. Bringing the fin forward introduces another kind of over sensitivity that makes control difficult.

Some years ago Exocet had slalom boards with a huge cutout and the fin sat in the middle of it. It worked for trim but because there was no top cap to the fin it readily ventilated. You had to use a bigger fin to counteract it. You could install an "upwind kit" that turned the huge cutout into a more or less normal one and use shorter fins with it but in my personal experience the board I had was nicer to sail with the huge cutout and the big fin. The disadvantage of that of course is that the centre of lift of the fin is a bit deeper so far any given speed you need a bit more counter moment and the less of that you have to deal with the better.

sausage
QLD, 4873 posts
14 Dec 2014 4:41PM
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Bit of a cross thread response to your query on the Fanatic Falcon Sue, but having ridden iSonics for about 5 years I got myself a 2013 89 Falcon about two years ago and found that without the cut-outs the board was incredibly flighty going for it in the ocean, so much so that whilst an extremely fast board it took every skerrick of effort to keep it altogether on the water compared to a similar sized iSonic. I sold it after trying numerous different fins and set-ups as it just wanted to buck me off going broad (maybe user error too). Ended up replacing it with a 2014 iS90 and haven't looked back. Whilst the latest model smaller iSonics don't technically have cut-outs anymore their radical pin tail is effectively doing the same that a cut out previously did but only better IMO.

So all in all I really believe the tail cut-outs are a big plus to a boards ability to trim itself and thereby making the board more controllable. Also less wetted surface area reduces drag although compared to the drag a fin generates it's probably quite negligible whether there's cut-outs or not.

Here's the 2014 iS90 tail next to a 2012 iS97 FYI




sboardcrazy
NSW, 8087 posts
14 Dec 2014 6:26PM
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Thanks. That's interesting..Lucky for me I'll only be using my falcon flat water ..Something to keep in mind for later maybe..

mr love
VIC, 2376 posts
14 Dec 2014 7:00PM
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They are there to reduce wetted surface area and therefore drag. A planing surface produces the highest amount of lift from its leading edge and the least from its trailing edge. So in theory you can reduce wetted surface area which is drag from the rear of the board without having a big impact on the amount of lift the surface generates. It does impact trim though and that is where it gets tricky,the cutout size and shape needs to be designed in as part of the overall balanced concept.

F2
QLD, 209 posts
14 Dec 2014 7:13PM
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Sue, the falcon 79 does not need cut outs as it as a very small tail on it, and I have ridden one in the open ocean many times and it was great, one of the best boards I have ever owned, you will very happy with this board.

decrepit
WA, 12433 posts
14 Dec 2014 8:39PM
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I don't claim to be any sort of authority, and I basically agree with most of the above, but here's my thoughts on it.

Providing a constant and optimum planning angle, the wetted area will automatically reduce with speed increase, cut outs won't affect this, it just puts the centre of lift further forward.

So in my opinion cutouts are there for trim.

Ideally the centre of lift should be under the load, then optimum angle of attack by adjusting mast foot pressure or front/back foot weight.
But as the centre of lift moves back with speed increase, (front of board lifts first), the centre of lift can move behind the load if the tail is too wide.
This makes it very hard to maintain the ideal angle of attack, lessening it and increasing wetted area by pushing the nose down.

The point this happens depends a bit on rider weight and position, it's going to happen earlier for a lighter person and a more forward footstrap position.

Man0verBoard
WA, 629 posts
14 Dec 2014 9:42PM
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Decrepit that's my understanding too - it mitigates inefficiencies be they equipment or human

joe windsurf
1481 posts
15 Dec 2014 2:52AM
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now there are not only cut-outs, but also flares/overhangs ?? like this RRD X-FIRE

evlPanda
NSW, 9205 posts
18 Dec 2014 1:04PM
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^ So you can get your feet and thus weight further outboard right where you need it further outboard?

joe windsurf
1481 posts
18 Dec 2014 10:36AM
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So you can get your feet and thus weight further outboard right where you need it further outboard?



that is what Roberto and Antoine are saying
butt sh1t , AA can make anything fly

col5555
WA, 378 posts
18 Dec 2014 12:28PM
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Must be a biatch to completely laminate those complex shapes and not get voids.

Man0verBoard
WA, 629 posts
18 Dec 2014 12:57PM
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col5555 said..
Must be a biatch to completely laminate those complex shapes and not get voids.


More voids = less weight

remo81
QLD, 678 posts
18 Dec 2014 4:34PM
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They make you go faster for all sorts of reasons. That's why I cut the Butt Cheeks out of my wetsuit!!!



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